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by CougarPeasant · 3/22/2010

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craigoscarson
kitic77 wrote:
kitic77 wrote:
I would love for Collinsworth to be able to red-shirt. An RS would have served Noah well and I hope we dont' make the same mistake with Chris.


I agree but that only makes sense if we bring in a juco big


Yeah, I'm not sure we'll have the luxury of being able to RS him.


And he probably wants to play with little bro (unless KC decides against a mission)
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CougarPeasant
The nice thing about basketball is that teams don't have to go undefeated to get to the tournament. That gives BYU the luxury of easing Chris back into playing form come conference time and especially come tournament times.



That gives him 9 months to get his game legs back in time to seriously contribute in a meaningful way.



Of course, a redshirt year makes sense too.



Back to my original post, I still see the starters being Fredette, Emery, Abouo, Hartsock, and Davies for next season. Loyd will be the first one off the bench and perhaps Collinsworth the younger can work into the rotation as well. Can Anderson develop into a servicable 12-15 min a game back up?



I see Fredette, Emery, and Hartsock playing 30-35 mins most games with Abouo, Davies and Loyd playing 25-30 mins each as well. What Anderson and the Collinsworth boys add will round out the team.
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Lawboy
kitic77 wrote:
I would love for Collinsworth to be able to red-shirt. An RS would have served Noah well and I hope we dont' make the same mistake with Chris.


It takes less time to get in basketball shape than football shape. Not as much weightlifting, less contact, and you can be in great physical condition for hoops in 6-8 weeks. I expect him back and ready to play. We will need his height, rebounding and interior presence next year. If we had any scoring threat in the post this year, we would have made and Elite 8 run, like Cornell, UNI and Butler. They all shot it like us, but had much better interior scorers. With any post play, we can be like them next year.
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Qman
Lawboy wrote:
I would love for Collinsworth to be able to red-shirt. An RS would have served Noah well and I hope we dont' make the same mistake with Chris.


It takes less time to get in basketball shape than football shape. Not as much weightlifting, less contact, and you can be in great physical condition for hoops in 6-8 weeks. I expect him back and ready to play. We will need his height, rebounding and interior presence next year. If we had any scoring threat in the post this year, we would have made and Elite 8 run, like Cornell, UNI and Butler. They all shot it like us, but had much better interior scorers. With any post play, we can be like them next year.




I thought the bigger difference for Butler and UNI was they were much stronger physically as a teams. Butler's has very strong guards and their post players could hold onto the ball once they had it. Hopefully Hartsock and Davies come back stronger. At the 3 between Abouo and Kyle Collinsworth we should be stronger. We have a lot of question marks off the bench for our bigs.
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kfilly20
If we can somehow get a big that can even remotely function in the post next year, we will be a special team. That would open it up so much for our shooters.
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scott715
I don't get why a good big does not want to join this team. He would get single coverage in the post. Opportunities to run if that is his game. Playing time and a tournament run to boot. The down side to him could be the HC or party scene. Maybe Rose should look more at Christian schools like Bronco is doing.
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Gunk
kfilly20 wrote:
If we can somehow get a big that can even remotely function in the post next year, we will be a special team. That would open it up so much for our shooters.


We do have a big that can remotely function in the post. Question is whether Rose will use him. We also have a good power forward in Noah Hartsock. Question again is whether Rose will use him to his full potential.
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Qman
With Rodgers in the mix



Depth chart in my eyes



Fredette/Loyd/Martineau/(Winder)

Emery/(Loyd)/(Abouo)/Winder

Abouo/K. Collinsworth/Rodgers/Zylstra

Hartsock/C. Collinsworth/Magnusson

Davies/C. Collinsworth/Anderson



There are going to be some intense battles for playing time.



Minutewise I expect to see something like this:



Fredette(30)/Loyd(10)

Emery(30)/Loyd(10)

Abouo(20)/Rodgers(10)/K.Collinsworth(10)

Hartsock(25)/C.Collinsworth(10)/Rodgers(5)

Davies(25)/Hartsock(5)/C.Collinsworth(10)



I see the guard rotation set in stone barring injury. Fredette and Emery deserve big minutes. Loyd deserves all the rest of them.



We don't really have a lot of depth at the 5. Basically it is Davies. Hartsock can play there at times and I don't know what we will see from Chris Collinsworth. Anderson at least can provide a little size. An injury to Hartsock or Davies would kill us.



But the forward positions seem to be the most in flux. I am pretty sure Hartsock will start. But I have no idea if Abouo, Rodgers or K. Collinsworth will start. Or we might go to a 3 guard setup again.



Anderson will be need for foul trouble an against bigger teams. Magnusson might be able to steal some minutes. I also don't know how much K. Collinsworth will play either. Rodgers is a big wild card too.
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idahocougarfan
This is on Greg Wrubell's blog about the team next year. It will be interesting to see in terms of playing minutes.



http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=498&sid=10483176





With the news of juco standout Stephen Rogers' verbal commitment to BYU, that makes another recruiting battle won by Dave Rose. I can't recall Rose missing out on a player he really wanted, and certainly not to an instate competitor.



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Regardless of Rogers' playing time situation next season, BYU's practices are going to be intense, with at least ten top-line players vying for minutes every day.



A quick look-ahead at BYU next season, position by position:



Guards/Wings:



Jimmer Fredette



Jackson Emery



Mike Loyd



Charles Abouo



Kyle Collinsworth



Anson Winder



Brock Zylstra



Nick Martineau



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Forwards/Posts:



Noah Hartsock



Brandon Davies



Chris Collinsworth



Stephen Rogers (can also be used as a guard/wing)



Logan Magnusson



James Anderson



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That's a pretty stacked roster, and it's also 14 players for 13 scholarships. Clearly, there are ten "untouchables," with scholarships ostensibly available to only three of the following four players: Martineau, Anderson, Magnusson and Zylstra. Martineau was a walk-on prior to his mission, and my understanding was he would be on scholarship upon his return. Zylstra came to BYU as a walk-on as a true freshman, but was awarded a scholarship after returning from his mission.



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scott715
Looking ahead another year, we lose Jimmer and Magnussum to graduation and Kyle C to a mission. Who is coming back from a mission? There are a couple of centers right? Anyone else? One scholarship to offer?
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CougarPeasant
If I recall correctly, Martineau was/is a walkon who had a full ride academic scholie when he came to BYU. (And he turned down a spot on the FB team to play basketball instead.)
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craigoscarson
CougarPeasant wrote:
If I recall correctly, Martineau was/is a walkon who had a full ride academic scholie when he came to BYU. (And he turned down a spot on the FB team to play basketball instead.)


Martineau was promised at least 1 year of hoops scholarship when he got home from his mission. There will be 14 guys on the team next season for 13 scholarships. Either Zylstra or Martineau will not have one.



If the Cougs can get Smoot, Harrison and one of the guards (Kingma, Corbin, or Miller) for '11 then Dave Rose really needs to consider letting both stay as nonscholarship players or help them find another home.
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Mars
craigoscarson wrote:
There will be 14 guys on the team next season for 13 scholarships. Either Zylstra or Martineau will not have one.

It's my assumption that Zylstra will lose his scholarship this year, and my guess that Martineau will lose his next year. Neither were ever promised permanent full-ride scholarships, with both it was a case of Dave Rose not using a scholarship for a year and temporarily rewarding a walk-on. There are almost half a dozen kids on the team currently, like Rose, that are still there every practice playing for the love of the game, no financial incentives needed.



Magnusson should make it through his entire BYU career on scholarship. Anderson hopes to be as lucky. I wouldn't be too shocked if his career ended the summer before his senior year due to "reoccuring injuries" though.
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Gunk
scott715 wrote:
Looking ahead another year, we lose Jimmer and Magnussum to graduation and Kyle C to a mission. Who is coming back from a mission? There are a couple of centers right? Anyone else? One scholarship to offer?


Emery is a Senior next season.
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scott715
So with Loyd leaving who is our backup point and who will be the year after? Bring in a freshman the year after and he would move in to the starting lineup? Maybe get a JC to take the spot. Perhaps our incoming players can fill the role but this is now an issue.
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Mars
scott715 wrote:
So with Loyd leaving who is our backup point and who will be the year after?

Winder/Martineau this year.

PG Bret Kingma is expected to come in as a freshman next year and battle for the starting spot immediately. He averages 26 points a game in Washington.
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