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Who Starts at "Will" LB?

by Mars · 8/11/2010

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Mars


Jordan Atkinson?

Jameson Frazier?

Kyle Van Noy?

Jadon Wagner?

Alani Fua?

Sae Tautu?

Zeke Mendenhall?
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Lawboy
I think if Jordan Atkinson was healthy, he would get the nod, with KVN backing him up. But with Atkinson out, and seeing KVN get most of the reps, I think he starts with Jameson Frazier backing him up as of right now.



I still think KVN will eventually move to the "Sam" position, after Pendleton graduates in 2 years. His size and speed were made to play in more space that way.
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blue42
Bronco has been using Van Noy in the Will spot so far, he mentioned he really likes Van Noy's pass rush and has been in the backfield a lot the first couple of days. almost comparing him to Colby Clawson.
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kiwibacon
My thought based off of fall camp thus far and injuries will be KVN starting.
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redneckjedi
To be honest, I wish I had TEN Coleby Clawson's at BYU. Reminded me of this guy:



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He was a human wrecking ball. Comparisons of Van Noy to Clawson bring a big smile to my face. :D
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beauso79
To me it sounds like KVN is more athletic and has more tools than Clawson so eventually he could be better than Clawson which would make us all happy
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Mars


Atkinson is the starter if he can go. If not, Frazier is the man.



Van Noy was #7 at the position at day two of Fall camp, and #2 at the position (with Atkinson and Wagner out) on day #3, so coaches seem to like his athleticism but dislike where his head is at for whatever reason.
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Cougs_Rule
Mars wrote:


Atkinson is the starter if he can go. If not, Frazier is the man.



Van Noy was #7 at the position at day two of Fall camp, and #2 at the position (with Atkinson and Wagner out) on day #3, so coaches seem to like his athleticism but dislike where his head is at for whatever reason.


Agreed. He needs to learn the plays and stick w assignments and allignments and not free-wheel based on his athleticism.
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gmj81
The WILL as specifically pointed out by Bronco, is a rush-LB. As such, I see very few who could do it as well as KVN. The stats so far in camp back that up. Also keep in mind that he has played a lot of SAM so far this fall. If the coaches left him solely at WILL, I'd have no doubt he would start, especially with the Atkinson out with injury. I like the emergence of Frazier but Pendleton was quoted as saying he needs to learn how to carry his new weight around a little bit more. As such, I just don't see how he could be a good QB terrorizing WILL. I think he'd be better off backing up Pendleton at SAM where his assignment-soundness would be better served, at least until he gets his quicks back.
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snoscythe
Mars wrote:


Atkinson is the starter if he can go. If not, Frazier is the man.



Van Noy was #7 at the position at day two of Fall camp, and #2 at the position (with Atkinson and Wagner out) on day #3, so coaches seem to like his athleticism but dislike where his head is at for whatever reason.


Little Wagner seems to be of the same type--great physical tools, but always on the coaches' bad side for whatever non-performance reason.
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Lawboy
The kid is a freshman, and has made spotty choices in the past. I think the maturation process is just that--a process. Guys do not just get it over night. But he has a unique opportunity to be a special player, so I hope he puts the time in to improve himself. For all we know, much of his issues stem from classwork, not on the field play or ability to learn the schemes. That was the case in the spring, so perhaps he is being sent messages now again regarding that and how BYU takes the classwork seriously. Just because he might play does not mean he can slide with the student part of the equation. Don't want another Tonga scenario, or Afutiti, etc. so gotta get this sorted early. My bet is it is all about academics. Because his on the field play thus far has been impressive, by all accounts given.
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byutx
This situation isn't so different from Pendleton last year. Neither KVN nor Pendleton are mental giants by any stretch. In fact, Grant Nelson played quite a bit even when Pendleton was good to go because he was still getting the D down and figuring out his responsibility. My guess is that there will be some growing pains, but that KVN will be the guy by the end of the year, just like Pendleton was in 09.
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Mars
gmj81 wrote:
The WILL as specifically pointed out by Bronco, is a rush-LB. As such, I see very few who could do it as well as KVN. The stats so far in camp back that up. Also keep in mind that he has played a lot of SAM so far this fall. If the coaches left him solely at WILL, I'd have no doubt he would start, especially with the Atkinson out with injury. I like the emergence of Frazier but Pendleton was quoted as saying he needs to learn how to carry his new weight around a little bit more. As such, I just don't see how he could be a good QB terrorizing WILL. I think he'd be better off backing up Pendleton at SAM where his assignment-soundness would be better served, at least until he gets his quicks back.

This is through the 1st 4 practices (with Atkinson and Wagner not playing):

LB Kyle Van Noy 3 sacks, 1 tackle for a loss, 1 bat-down

LB Jameson Frazier 2 sacks, 1 blocked PAT



I would start Jameson against Washington at the moment. Frazier was with BYU last year and knows the schemes better, and seems to be producing about the same as Van Noy. I like what I'm seeing from Kyle on the stat sheet right now though.
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gmj81
I'm pretty sure he was a WR last year, so he has barely if any edge over Van Noy, except for "program experience". Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and unlike some, love it when we have walk-ons who play their way into the 2-deep, I just think that currently, KVN has a higher ceiling and is on his way to starting at WILL. Obviously, there's a lot of camp left to be played yet though.
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snoscythe
gmj81 wrote:
I'm pretty sure he was a WR last year, so he has barely if any edge over Van Noy, except for "program experience". Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and unlike some, love it when we have walk-ons who play their way into the 2-deep, I just think that currently, KVN has a higher ceiling and is on his way to starting at WILL. Obviously, there's a lot of camp left to be played yet though.


He was not a WR last year. He has always been with the LBs. His only action last year was some spot special teams stuff IIRC.



You might be confusing him with JD Falsev redshirting last year?
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Lawboy
My wife's brother served with Jameson in the Montreal mission and says he is a good dude. He was an LB last year. If Atkinson does not play, I suspect he and KVN will platoon the position most of the year. Bronco tends to value experience in his LB group, but neither guy has any.
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