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Some details about the Independence deal with ESPN?

by AJP · 8/18/2010

wildeone

8/19/2010, 1:00:16 AM

I'm starting to think that BYU will stay in the MWC. Because with BYU, Fresno and Nevada, the MWC just upgraded greatly, and stands a good chance at getting an auto-bid

Cougarfan87

8/19/2010, 1:02:11 AM

wildeone wrote:
I'm starting to think that BYU will stay in the MWC. Because with BYU, Fresno and Nevada, the MWC just upgraded greatly, and stands a good chance at getting an auto-bid

I'm thinking the jury is still out because the MWC just picked up two more mouths to feed. To me, it all depends on how the WAC responds, or doesn't respond.

craigoscarson

8/19/2010, 1:06:58 AM

wildeone wrote:
I'm starting to think that BYU will stay in the MWC. Because with BYU, Fresno and Nevada, the MWC just upgraded greatly, and stands a good chance at getting an auto-bid

Yeah, I think BYU has some leverage left but I'd like the move if BYU weren't even a part of the equation to get UNR and Fresno.

I'm still a little baffled as to how the WAC wasn't prepared for this (again props to schmoe, he called it when i thought he was crazy), but BYU still has plenty of time to make the best decision for the Cougs. We dont' have to go anywhere if we don't want to and unless we're guaranteed a soft spot to land (which I assumed we had in the bag) then BYU shoots for some concessions from the MWC and stays home.

We're still the top earner the MWC has by a lonnnnnng shot.

mizzoucoug

8/19/2010, 2:03:29 AM

The next move is for the WAC to take a couple top bball programs from the MWC--UNLV and SDSU come to mind.

imuakahuku

8/19/2010, 2:36:53 AM

IndiCoug wrote:
I know this is $2.5M more than what they are getting from the MTN every year but I thought it would somehow be more or they would be able to find other revenue streams from Internet. How much are the utes getting from their deal PAC O Crap-- $12M??

(BTW, I was wondering what happened to everyone on Cougarblue (Ghost town and troll ridden) and now I found everyone. It's great to be back with the group and enjoying the great insight and conversation. DH should have fixed the problems before they lost all their users.)

When they banned for life a guy who used to be a mod just for asking them to take control of the trolls I could see the writing on the wall. Welcome to independent status! :lol:

Italics

8/19/2010, 8:48:07 AM

wildeone wrote:
I'm starting to think that BYU will stay in the MWC. Because with BYU, Fresno and Nevada, the MWC just upgraded greatly, and stands a good chance at getting an auto-bid

*facepalm*

Upgraded greatly?

The MWC just inherited two new bottom-dwellers in replacement of a consistently ranked football program.

Nevada

- Lost to CSU, who didn't win a single game in MWC conference play. Hmm, wonder how they'll do in the MWC?

- Got SHUT OUT by a 6-6 Notre Dame team

- Got BLOWN OUT by SMU in their bowl game

- When was the last time (if ever?) this team finished a season ranked?

- Their basketball team didn't even make the NCAA tourney

Fresno State

- Finished their season by losing to Wyoming. Wyoming. .... ....... Wyoming.

- Their biggest win of the season came from a miracle last second touchdown... against Illinois.

- When was the last time this team finished the season ranked?

- Their basketball team is below average at best

Schmoe

8/19/2010, 9:07:08 AM

But Italics, you're forgetting that Fresno's football team will "lose to anyone, anytime, anywhere," that's gotta count for something, right?

IndiCoug

8/19/2010, 2:18:14 PM

wildeone wrote:
I'm starting to think that BYU will stay in the MWC. Because with BYU, Fresno and Nevada, the MWC just upgraded greatly, and stands a good chance at getting an auto-bid

:skeptic: Everyone beat me to it but this does NOTHING to help AQ status. If anything it hurts. Fresno hasn't been good in football for years and Nevada is laughable. This hurts the conference more than it helps as now we are feeding 2 more mid to bottom dwellers off our already crappy TV deal. Tompson did this purely to undercut BYU's potental Indi move. I also see him adding another team Houston or UTEP to make the MWC a 12 member conference for a football playoff but again it will do nothing to help the conference gain BcS status.

I'm hoping that the B12 see's all of this and offers. No way they stay at 10 teams for more than 2 years anyway so why not pick up what they need to become viable again (football playoff). Texas is the key to that move and it's very unlikely but......

Mars

8/19/2010, 2:22:26 PM

IndiCoug wrote:
Everyone beat me to it but this does NOTHING to help AQ status. If anything it hurts. Fresno hasn't been good in football for years and Nevada is laughable. This hurts the conference more than it helps as now we are feeding 2 more mid to bottom dwellers off our already crappy TV deal.

A- Both Fresno State and Nevada improve the average MWC football score. Neither brings a Top 25 ranking though, and they add to the size of the conference.

B- These two schools should join the MWC in 2012, a year after Boise State.

C- BCS status is decided after 2011, so FSU and UNR's numbers will remain in the WAC for this period, not the MWC's.

CannonCougar85

8/19/2010, 3:33:21 PM

Mars wrote:
Everyone beat me to it but this does NOTHING to help AQ status. If anything it hurts. Fresno hasn't been good in football for years and Nevada is laughable. This hurts the conference more than it helps as now we are feeding 2 more mid to bottom dwellers off our already crappy TV deal.

A- Both Fresno State and Nevada improve the average MWC football score. Neither brings a Top 25 ranking though, and they add to the size of the conference.

B- These two schools should join the MWC in 2012, a year after Boise State.

C- BCS status is decided after 2011, so FSU and UNR's numbers will remain in the WAC for this period, not the MWC's.

I thought the average ranking of the MWC was 59 or so? Are these 2 teams ranked higher then that? Cause if they aren't then they do not improve the average MWC football score. And since both schools went 8-5 and 7-6 the last 2 years I doubt their rankings help the MWC at all.

Y 4 Ever

8/19/2010, 4:17:13 PM

wildeone wrote:
I'm starting to think that BYU will stay in the MWC. Because with BYU, Fresno and Nevada, the MWC just upgraded greatly, and stands a good chance at getting an auto-bid

*CHOKE COUGH GASP*!!! The MWC "Upgraded Greatly" by adding Fresno...and RENO!?!?!? I must have missed Nevada's recent trip to the Cotton Bowl, or Fresno's top-15 finish.

The MWC acted to keep the conference ALIVE...nothing more! Their choices at the time were raid the WAC of its two most attractive remaining teams to destroy it once and for all (mission accomplished) OR become fishfood. Anyone who DOESN'T believe that, compare Reno to Houston, or even Tulsa, and tell me they are the logical choice if the goal is to make the conference better, and add new/exciting markets.

Fresno and Nevada won't necessarily hurt the MWC, but they certainly won't be a significant upgrade.

CannonCougar85

8/19/2010, 4:19:47 PM

33311710 wrote:
I'm starting to think that BYU will stay in the MWC. Because with BYU, Fresno and Nevada, the MWC just upgraded greatly, and stands a good chance at getting an auto-bid

*CHOKE COUGH GASP*!!! The MWC "Upgraded Greatly" by adding Fresno...and RENO!?!?!? I must have missed Nevada's recent trip to the Cotton Bowl, or Fresno's top-15 finish.

The MWC acted to keep the conference ALIVE...nothing more! Their choices at the time were raid the WAC of its two most attractive remaining teams to destroy it once and for all (mission accomplished) OR become fishfood. Anyone who DOESN'T believe that, compare Reno to Houston, or even Tulsa, and tell me they are the logical choice if the goal is to make the conference better, and add new/exciting markets.

Fresno and Nevada won't necessarily hurt the MWC, but they certainly won't be a significant upgrade.

Right on 333. This was a last minute ditch effort to keep the MWC together. That is all it was. Fresno and Reno DO NOT bring the MWC any closer to it's goal of AQ status, not by a long shot.

scott715

8/20/2010, 4:37:49 PM

Schmoe wrote:
But Italics, you're forgetting that Fresno's football team will "lose to anyone, anytime, anywhere," that's gotta count for something, right?

It is so easy even a Ute can do it!

A side note our average ranking was about 58. NR and FSU are about the same number. No help there plus with more teams it will be harder to push the average number down unless a couple 100+ teams left for the WAC.

redneckjedi

8/20/2010, 7:05:10 PM

Some people have been mocking Wyoming in this thread, and talking about how inexcusable Fresno's loss to them was. So let's play a game, and tell me if you would accept our mystery team into the MWC:

In 2006, I had to stop a two-point conversion to hang on to a 1-point win against Air Force at home.

In 2008, I lost to UCLA and Wyoming, and barely beat Northern Illinois. I scored 30+ points twice and single digits three times. My record was 5-7.

In 2009, I went 7-6 including a bowl loss, and lost my head coach to another program.

Who am I? And could I get into the MWC?

Lawboy

8/20/2010, 7:11:06 PM

redneckjedi wrote:
Some people have been mocking Wyoming in this thread, and talking about how inexcusable Fresno's loss to them was. So let's play a game, and tell me if you would accept our mystery team into the MWC:

In 2006, I had to stop a two-point conversion to hang on to a 1-point win against Air Force at home.

In 2008, I lost to UCLA and Wyoming, and barely beat Northern Illinois. I scored 30+ points twice and single digits three times. My record was 5-7.

In 2009, I went 7-6 including a bowl loss, and lost my head coach to another program.

Who am I? And could I get into the MWC?

Easy. It is Tennessee. And yes, they could get in. But they would not come. I think they have $18-20 million reasons not to.

Y 4 Ever

8/20/2010, 7:11:39 PM

redneckjedi wrote:
Some people have been mocking Wyoming in this thread, and talking about how inexcusable Fresno's loss to them was. So let's play a game, and tell me if you would accept our mystery team into the MWC:

In 2006, I had to stop a two-point conversion to hang on to a 1-point win against Air Force at home.

In 2008, I lost to UCLA and Wyoming, and barely beat Northern Illinois. I scored 30+ points twice and single digits three times. My record was 5-7.

In 2009, I went 7-6 including a bowl loss, and lost my head coach to another program.

Who am I? And could I get into the MWC?

maybe tennessee can replace BYU in the MWC.

redneckjedi

8/20/2010, 10:22:40 PM

Exactly. Which is why I think it is dumb to dismiss Fresno because of a loss to Wyoming. ASU lost to UNLV, and we'd take them. Wisconsin barely beat UNLV, and we'd take them. There's a lot more parity in college football these days, which makes the whole AQ/non-AQ distinction so irritating.

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