The Hair flinches first

craigoscarson wrote:
You're right, I should ante up and write them a check right now, regardless of the decisions they make. That's pure genius.

I want to hear what concessions you are talking about. Are you talking broadcast rights for BYU football? Football and basketball? A larger piece of the pie?



Me agreeing or disagreeing with you depends on this answer. :D

CannonCougar85 wrote:

You're right, I should ante up and write them a check right now, regardless of the decisions they make. That's pure genius.

I want to hear what concessions you are talking about. Are you talking broadcast rights for BYU football? Football and basketball? A larger piece of the pie?



Me agreeing or disagreeing with you depends on this answer. :D

Only 1 concession i required here. BYU retains rights, and rebroadcast rights, to all games played at LES. Period. End of discussion. Get that, and it is mission accomplished, and BYU should stay. Without that, it really depends for me on what the concessions would be. My feeling right now is short of total autonomy over Provo games, I still walk. The $$$ and exposure with an ESPN deal and BYU-tv back up are too great to ignore.

And at this time we would like all of you to join Cougar Club and leave your money at the door.



http://ldsp.convio.net/site/PageNavigator/BYUPROVO/Membership?s_src=14455

CannonCougar85 wrote:

You're right, I should ante up and write them a check right now, regardless of the decisions they make. That's pure genius.

I want to hear what concessions you are talking about. Are you talking broadcast rights for BYU football? Football and basketball? A larger piece of the pie?



Me agreeing or disagreeing with you depends on this answer. :D

Now we're talking. What will the MWC put on the table? If the answer is a paltry nothing or a token pissant concession, then I understand it's peace out.



If the answer is even half of what BYU is asking for in a form of broadcasting freedom, then you have to take it before Sept 1.



Negotiations don't start out in the middle, that's where they end up. If you think BYU expects to get everything theyr'e asking for right now, you'd be wrong.



The issue is if the MWC presidents try to play hardball and treat us like we're nothing more than another house on the block and believe that we dont' deserve any concessions; then i think independence (in spite of the lack of a soft landing) is inevitable.



If the MWC can layout and document a viable and healthy broadcasting concession and BYU still decides to go independent, then I have to think we're making a huge mistake.



My faith is that Tom Holmoe and company are very aware of what it will take to stay with the MWC.



My statement that I'd be through with financially supporting the athletic department is based on the fact that people aren't perfect and there's always the chance that BYU makes a terrible decision. In that context, it isn't about anger or pride that I would stop writing checks; it would be simply due to a bad deal that I couldn't support. Boosters vote with their wallets; I don't see voting for a terrible decision. If you want to call me a bad fan for that, then fine, but my feeling is that those that do dont' grasp the concept and somehow believe that everything that BYU athletics does, is done by divine inspiration.... (let's ask Gary Crowton about that one)

scott715 wrote:
And at this time we would like all of you to join Cougar Club and leave your money at the door.



http://ldsp.convio.net/site/PageNavigator/BYUPROVO/Membership?s_src=14455

As if Cougar Club is the only way to financially support the Y. Believe it or not, there are lots of folks that think that Cougar Club is about as well run as the WAC right now. ;)

I will still support the Y no matter what they do. If they make a bad decision then we will hope to influence a correction of direction in the future.

To any one who still wants to stick around in the MWC if they give us broadcasting rights - you need to go spend about an hour on mwcboard.com and see what your conference brothers think about you.



That'll cure your desire to stick around. I know it has mine. Screw the MWC, screw hair, screw CSU, UNLV, SDSU, Wyoming, TCU, BSU, New Mexico, and especially screw Fresneck and freaking RENO! (note: I don't say screw you to the AFA...sorry, can't talk trash against them).

craigoscarson wrote:

Now we're talking. What will the MWC put on the table? If the answer is a paltry nothing or a token pissant concession, then I understand it's peace out.



If the answer is even half of what BYU is asking for in a form of broadcasting freedom, then you have to take it before Sept 1.



Negotiations don't start out in the middle, that's where they end up. If you think BYU expects to get everything theyr'e asking for right now, you'd be wrong.



The issue is if the MWC presidents try to play hardball and treat us like we're nothing more than another house on the block and believe that we dont' deserve any concessions; then i think independence (in spite of the lack of a soft landing) is inevitable.



If the MWC can layout and document a viable and healthy broadcasting concession and BYU still decides to go independent, then I have to think we're making a huge mistake.



My faith is that Tom Holmoe and company are very aware of what it will take to stay with the MWC.

That is all well and fine but I want details. What is the very minimum amount of concessions that you are willing to stay in the MWC for?

I have to agree with craigoscarson, the ideal solution would be working with the MWC assuming they are in fact willing to concede. I still would rather have an independent BYU Football WAC other sports scenario but we can thank Fresno and Nevada for ruining that one. This is the next best option - (perhaps even the better option) BYU pulls a Texas on MWC.

33311710 wrote:
To any one who still wants to stick around in the MWC if they give us broadcasting rights - you need to go spend about an hour on mwcboard.com and see what your conference brothers think about you.



That'll cure your desire to stick around. I know it has mine. Screw the MWC, screw hair, screw CSU, UNLV, SDSU, Wyoming, TCU, BSU, New Mexico, and especially screw Fresneck and freaking RENO! (note: I don't say screw you to the AFA...sorry, can't talk trash against them).

We knew what those idiots thought of us before all of this. The fact that they care, is because they all knwo they need us. The fact that they're acting like pompous jackasses right now should come as no surprise.



Our loyalty isn't to the fans of the other schools.



3/4 of the Big 12 was saying the same thing about Texas, about 3 weeks before they took a huge sigh of relief that Texas saved them.

craigoscarson wrote:

To any one who still wants to stick around in the MWC if they give us broadcasting rights - you need to go spend about an hour on mwcboard.com and see what your conference brothers think about you.



That'll cure your desire to stick around. I know it has mine. Screw the MWC, screw hair, screw CSU, UNLV, SDSU, Wyoming, TCU, BSU, New Mexico, and especially screw Fresneck and freaking RENO! (note: I don't say screw you to the AFA...sorry, can't talk trash against them).

We knew what those idiots thought of us before all of this. The fact that they care, is because they all knwo they need us. The fact that they're acting like pompous jackasses right now should come as no surprise.



Our loyalty isn't to the fans of the other schools.



3/4 of the Big 12 was saying the same thing about Texas, about 3 weeks before they took a huge sigh of relief that Texas saved them.

Just ask them all if they would do the same thing if they had the leverage to do so, and listen to the justification. If they say no, they lie through their teeth. They are just mad BYU has that leverage and they do not, same as what went down in the Big 12. Texas had the leverage and used it. BYU has had it for YEARS and is finally using it.



I personally would love someone to ask Coach Patterson Coach Hoke and others what they would want their universiities to do if they had the leverage BYU does and listen to them dance. people say BYU overvalues themselves. Well guess what, BYU just tested the market and found out they are worth a hell of a lot more than what the average MWC deal offers, and the other dead weight teams are mad. Not our fault they cheer for a team with no ability to improve itself more than the MWC.

Lawboy wrote:

33311710 wrote:
To any one who still wants to stick around in the MWC if they give us broadcasting rights - you need to go spend about an hour on mwcboard.com and see what your conference brothers think about you.



That'll cure your desire to stick around. I know it has mine. Screw the MWC, screw hair, screw CSU, UNLV, SDSU, Wyoming, TCU, BSU, New Mexico, and especially screw Fresneck and freaking RENO! (note: I don't say screw you to the AFA...sorry, can't talk trash against them).

We knew what those idiots thought of us before all of this. The fact that they care, is because they all knwo they need us. The fact that they're acting like pompous jackasses right now should come as no surprise.



Our loyalty isn't to the fans of the other schools.



3/4 of the Big 12 was saying the same thing about Texas, about 3 weeks before they took a huge sigh of relief that Texas saved them.

Just ask them all if they would do the same thing if they had the leverage to do so, and listen to the justification. If they say no, they lie through their teeth. They are just mad BYU has that leverage and they do not, same as what went down in the Big 12. Texas had the leverage and used it. BYU has had it for YEARS and is finally using it.



I personally would love someone to ask Coach Patterson Coach Hoke and others what they would want their universiities to do if they had the leverage BYU does and listen to them dance. people say BYU overvalues themselves. Well guess what, BYU just tested the market and found out they are worth a hell of a lot more than what the average MWC deal offers, and the other dead weight teams are mad. Not our fault they cheer for a team with no ability to improve itself more than the MWC.

Agreed. Now the painful nuts and bolts of negotiation are going on. My prayers are that BYU can make a good clear headed, unemotional, business decision. I'm about 98% sure they will. I'm about 50% sure that the MWC will do the same.



Independence is inevitable if the MWC doesnt.

scott715 wrote:
I will still support the Y no matter what they do. If they make a bad decision then we will hope to influence a correction of direction in the future.

And how do boosters that write checks "hope to influence a correction of direction in the future."



Thank you for making my point for me.

craig - it's your decision what you do with your money - and to be honest, I wouldn't be too upset to never have to hear you talk about all your money again. However, your decision or not, it's sad to see a long-time fan like yourself claim (that's the keyword) that they'd be "done" with BYU athletics were they to make a decision that you in your infinite wisdom disagreed with.



PS - I don't need you assessing the financial situation of my wife and I.

I would love to "dine" with BYU athletics.



PS - My wife and ME.

Craigo you still haven't addressed my question.



What are the minimum concessions that the MWC can offer BYU in order for you to be okay with staying in the MWC? I want specifics.

imuakahuku wrote:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5479944

Thompson said he has had "very good dialogue" with BYU president Cecil O. Samuelson since Fresno State and Nevada announced they would join the conference. Thompson said the MWC has "shown a willingness to work through some TV issues" in an effort to prevent BYU from declaring its independence.

When and if, the MWC gives us broadcasting independence and I couldn't be happier give the current climate.



If the MWC gives us those broadcasting rights, and BYU goes independent in spite of that this year, with a watered down WCC; I'll never give BYU another dollar for the rest of my life. There's a limit and I think I'll have reached mine considering the WAC idea blew up in our faces.



It's more than enough to take the broadcasting perks and wait on the Big 12 to send us an invite in a couple to few years.



The MWC will already be quite interesting with the new arrivals, if we get the broadcasting priviledges we're asking for we better stay with the MWC.

I still think there is more to this than just the tv deal. Just a hunch but I think there may already be plans with the big 12 and going ind will make that trasition seemless because it can take effect immediately (well, after this season if BYU does go indy), otherwise it would be another season before they could go b-12. That would be 2 years of no champ game in Dallas and you-know-who isn't going to be happy about that.

dude, byu is not going to the big 12 any time soon unless somethign dramatic changes. 2016 is the earlies it is going to happen. taht is why byu made the deal with the wac for 5 years. when the big12's tv is up then maybe.

Schmoe wrote:
I would love to "dine" with BYU athletics.



PS - My wife and ME.

don't make me steal your lacrosse stick, aggie!

jonnylingo wrote:

dude, byu is not going to the big 12 any time soon unless somethign dramatic changes. 2016 is the earlies it is going to happen. taht is why byu made the deal with the wac for 5 years. when the big12's tv is up then maybe.

I'm not so sure that BYU actually made a deal for 5 years. From what I have read the WAC made a deal to stick together for 5 years. They didn't make a deal with BYU for 5 years. Am I wrong?

Schmoe wrote:
I'll tell you what, I still hope we go indy because I have become absolutely fed up with Thompson and the other schools in the MWC. Buncha lying whiner crybabies who do nothing for us and then bitch about it when we try to get what we deserve. How about we strap a buncha midgets to Fezzik the giant and have him carry them up a mountain, then they can complain when he wants a drink of water...

You shouldn't make a decision that big with such a large risk and downside for all the other non football athlests based on your hate for moron thompson.



i think if byu gets media rights that help them with exposure and money they have to stay. to not is stupid becuse that is why they wanted to jump ship anyway.