BYU/Utah Rivalry Analogy

kiwibacon wrote:

The problem is, I like what you are saying, but it is like telling the terrorists, "Hey, just don't bomb us. We should all love each other."



It did come across preachy, and a little senseless. It's not like I want to point the other finger, and do a "he started it" routine, but anyone that comes around saying, "Love and tolerance," are usually not the people that are under fire. They are the people that don't understand, because they haven't experienced it. I would love to live in a world that didn't have these sort of things, moreso, because that would include a world without 85% of the Ute - bandwagon fans. The few BYU home game incidents are very much outweighed by the incidents at Rice Eccles, up to and including the Whittingham family in a brawl against BYU fans, which never gets talked about. That story was reported as, "Mrs. Whitt got elbowed by a BYU fan." When in reality she got elbowed by her own son while trying to pull him off of a few BYU fans that got rushed by the whole clan of brothers.



People that say things like you did, just don't have any clue. And while I really like the CONTEXT of your discussion, and think it has a lot of merit, it was very out of context.

So when Jesus was preaching "Love and tolerance" was he just clueless because he was not experiencing it?



Someone can very well have a clue and be mature about it. Someone's wrong actions does not give us a right to commit wrong actions as a reaction. Consider me as someone who has a "clue" by your definition (someone who has been there and experienced it) and thinks that Sandiegoblue is on the right track. It is a sporting competition. All the emotion that gets injected into it and that carries over into everyday life is a lack of self control in my opinion. I get having a little playful fun and light banter but too many take it too far...on both sides.

I'm in agreement with your post. And Jesus experienced everything, including me having beer puored on at Eccles. He knows all our experiences in life, and everything there is to know about us, and our intentions and what we have been through in life. I really have no idea where you are going with that... San Diego is on the right track, for sure. It just came across as preachy as a "we need to be better than them" sort of thing. Well, most of us already are... Again a Y home game wearing a U jersey pales in comparison to the opposite. It just bugs me that someone who hasn't experienced this comes on here and judges the Y fanbase, like we need to be better than them, as if we aren't. If I'm the only one who doesn't think that the U is behind most of this aggression I'll shut up.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

I'm in agreement with your post. And Jesus experienced everything, including me having beer puored on at Eccles. He knows all our experiences in life, and everything there is to know about us, and our intentions and what we have been through in life. I really have no idea where you are going with that... San Diego is on the right track, for sure. It just came across as preachy as a "we need to be better than them" sort of thing. Well, most of us already are... Again a Y home game wearing a U jersey pales in comparison to the opposite. It just bugs me that someone who hasn't experienced this comes on here and judges the Y fanbase, like we need to be better than them, as if we aren't. If I'm the only one who doesn't think that the U is behind most of this aggression I'll shut up.

I think stupid people are behind all of the aggression. I don't care about their affiliation or paint a broad brush because of affiliation.

I have no quarrel with either of you. Kiwi, you brought me on here :)



I too wish that it was a better world. I would love to watch a BYU-Utah game that I don't have a near coronary over. The last few have been quite a doozy.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
I have no quarrel with either of you. Kiwi, you brought me on here :)



I too wish that it was a better world. I would love to watch a BYU-Utah game that I don't have a near coronary over. The last few have been quite a doozy.

I have no quarrel either. The games are highly contested and too many people get too emotionally invested. I enjoy a good sporting contest and I really enjoy it when my team wins...but not to the point that I rub it in peoples faces. I am not saying that is what you do either.



Can't wait for tomorrow. I love college football season. I watched a few games yesterday and it was a good appetizer. :evil:

declocoug wrote:
you mean when Utah got better and got some fans??? ;)

Probably. But again, spawned by winning on the field.



It wasn't that long ago that BYU played in a 40,000 seat stadium but then your current stadium's namesake came along and that all changed. Winning does that.



Utah-BYU finally became a real rivalry with Ron McBride was hired. Prior to that I had watched BYU steamroll the Utes almost every year. Now it's a real game.

MTM wrote:



It wasn't that long ago that BYU played in a 40,000 seat stadium but then your current stadium's namesake came along and that all changed.

Yeah, thirty years is the blink of an eye, you must be a lot older than I thought ;)

Schmoe wrote:

It wasn't that long ago that BYU played in a 40,000 seat stadium but then your current stadium's namesake came along and that all changed.

Yeah, thirty years is the blink of an eye, you must be a lot older than I thought ;)

I mean in the big picture. BYU was barely on the map when LaVell came to town.



I didn't realize that the 1964 expansion took Cougar Stadium to 30,000 from 5,000. Yes, 5,000. When you consider that it is really remarkable what BYU has accomplished in 30 years.



And I am old enough to remember the big expansion to 64K in 1982. :sulk:

MTM wrote:

MTM wrote:



It wasn't that long ago that BYU played in a 40,000 seat stadium but then your current stadium's namesake came along and that all changed.

Yeah, thirty years is the blink of an eye, you must be a lot older than I thought ;)

I mean in the big picture. BYU was barely on the map when LaVell came to town.



I didn't realize that the 1964 expansion took Cougar Stadium to 30,000 from 5,000. Yes, 5,000. When you consider that it is really remarkable what BYU has accomplished in 30 years.



And I am old enough to remember the big expansion to 64K in 1982. :sulk:

The 5,000-person stadium was built into the hillside near where the Smith Fieldhouse is now, right? I worked for BYU Groundskeeping for a while and that's what they told us.

Currently we are competting against each other for the conference championship where only one (or none) can suceed. Next year both teams can suceed in their own situations. Maybe that will improve things between the two schools.



Also what I hear a lot is hate against some of the fans and not the school or players per say. Same goes for other schools like BSU and Wy.