Wide Receiving Corps Our Weakness?

Refresh my memory but didn't Collie have some bad drops when we last played at UW? He turned out all right eh? And wasn't that Max's first game? My point is we have some receivers who have demonstrated their ability and so maybe Saturday was an anomaly. Time will tell



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BoiseBYU wrote:
Refresh my memory but didn't Collie have some bad drops when we last played at UW? He turned out all right eh? And wasn't that Max's first game? My point is we have some receivers who have demonstrated their ability and so maybe Saturday was an anomaly. Time will tell



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That was Max's first game of his Junior year. He played his sophomore year. His first official game as a cougar was against Arizona.

BoiseBYU wrote:
Refresh my memory but didn't Collie have some bad drops when we last played at UW? He turned out all right eh? And wasn't that Max's first game? My point is we have some receivers who have demonstrated their ability and so maybe Saturday was an anomaly. Time will tell



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I hope you're right, and I'm really not too worried yet. After all, every receiver has dropped passes sometimes, and first game has a much higher chance. I'm not really trying to say that the receiveers have a problem, just trying to make a point that all have a responsibility to improve their performance. It isn't up to just the receivers, or just the QBs. Each can help the other by improving their own performance.



In reality, I am very pumped about this team. 8) 8)

First off, McKay is not Austin Collie, and never will be. Austin is a bigger, more physical receiver. McKay is smaller, but a little faster. Had McKay made that 1 catch, we'd all talk about what a good game he had and how his move to the slot was a great decision. 1 drop does not change that. I like that move and McKay is going to have some big games for us. I also think Hoffman looked good and strong, even if his route running was off o a couple of plays. Chambers gave us his usual play. I want to see what Apo can do, and what Hoffman might do in the slot at times, too. Still have good upside here, just a bit raw right now.

If the receivers dont get it going, they will be replaced by younger guys. It's sad to see hafoka fade and it makes me wonder if other off-field or atitudinal problems exist. I think Apo is being held back bc he hasnt "paid his dues."

The lefty-right switch-ups should not be a factor by now. Yeah, it's different and difficult at first, but that should all be mastered after 5 or so days of practice.

vancouvercougar wrote:

Refresh my memory but didn't Collie have some bad drops when we last played at UW? He turned out all right eh? And wasn't that Max's first game? My point is we have some receivers who have demonstrated their ability and so maybe Saturday was an anomaly. Time will tell



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That was Max's first game of his Junior year. He played his sophomore year. His first official game as a cougar was against Arizona.

Thanks for the correction

I thought this thread was about a receiving CORPSE. That could be a problem...



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Gunk wrote:
Keep in mind that one receiving corp is having to get used to two QBs. It's not like last season where there was one receiving corp and one QB that constantly worked out together. They've essentially had to get used to two QBs in half the amount of time they're used to.

Yeah, one throws a rocket. The drops could be explained by the fact that Heaps hasn't learned when to put "touch" on the ball and when to fire it in. Once he masters that those drops shouldn't happen. I'm not blaming him, I fully believe in the adage "if you can touch it, you shoud catch it" (especially when you touch it with two hands)

Out of all the dropped balls Heaps threw, the only one I really put on Jake is the pass to Wilson in the end zone. Too much heat, or not accurate enough for he speed. Otherwise, the rest were not just catchable, but were very well thrown balls by both Jake and Riley. The WRs just need to make more plays for us and step up when the ball is thrown their way.

dmcougar wrote:

I'm sure we all expect our B-Ball team to make a good percentage of their 3 points and jumpers as well, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't work to find the highest percentage shots each and every time down the court. No one is excusing the drops; but just as we should expect the receivers to catch the ball, we should expect the QB to put it where the receiver has the best chance to catch it.



I think these things we'll work themselves out during the Air Force game, and our defense will be strong enough to win.

Sorry, not buying this Jarhead. Im not excusing QB's totally, but Maybe a more apt metaphor if you are going to compare bball to football, is rebounding. It takes alot more effort, adjustment, anticipation, and scrapiness to be a better than average rebounder. So also a receiver. Go get the dang ball.

I'm not seeing where we disagree. If a receiver can get his hands on the ball he should catch it (the metaphor you use applies here). A quarterback should be expected to put the ball in the right place with the right touch (the metaphor I used was intended to apply here in describing expectations for the QB). Both of these are areas that we can improve on in the second game.

I played QB and wide receiver (a bit). I dispute the claim that catching a righty or a lefty is soooo different, and sooo difficult. Baloney, the ball is still spiraling, and the receiver still puts both hands around the ball. And these receivers have been catching righty and lefty balls since the beginning of fall camp last year!



I do think in the UW game, Heaps really put some mustard on some of his throws--still the receivers better catch those balls or they will be replaced. Heaps rocket to the sideline in the UW game probably prevented a pick six--the ball just got there too fast for the DB to react to it. I'm thinking, Heaps was thinking, "this is my first game, on TV, and I'm not going to throw any picks or pick six passes. He was probably a little hyped, but he'll settle in to the position, and own it by the Nevada game.

bball wrote:
I played QB and wide receiver (a bit). I dispute the claim that catching a righty or a lefty is soooo different, and sooo difficult. Baloney, the ball is still spiraling, and the receiver still puts both hands around the ball. And these receivers have been catching righty and lefty balls since the beginning of fall camp last year!

In the end, we are agreed. I was in camp as a receiver with a team that was going through a QB battle between a lefty and righty. It was weird and difficult the first week or so of camp to learn where to look for the ball coming out of the pocket and to get you hand placement right on a left v. right ball, which not only spiral opposite, but nose in different directions. All that being said, after the first week or so of camp, it was just natural and was no longer an issue. While it provided an excuse early on, at this point it is absolutely no excuse.

bball wrote:
I played QB and wide receiver (a bit). I dispute the claim that catching a righty or a lefty is soooo different, and sooo difficult. Baloney, the ball is still spiraling, and the receiver still puts both hands around the ball. And these receivers have been catching righty and lefty balls since the beginning of fall camp last year!



I do think in the UW game, Heaps really put some mustard on some of his throws--still the receivers better catch those balls or they will be replaced. Heaps rocket to the sideline in the UW game probably prevented a pick six--the ball just got there too fast for the DB to react to it. I'm thinking, Heaps was thinking, "this is my first game, on TV, and I'm not going to throw any picks or pick six passes. He was probably a little hyped, but he'll settle in to the position, and own it by the Nevada game.

I played qb in high school and couldn't disagree more. The difference is amlified on shorter routes but there is a significant difference. Think of a short crossing pattern, the ball from a righty is going with you while the ball from a lefty is often coming into you.



Where we agree is that is a lame excuse and they should be making those catches. Qbs job is to get the ball to the receiver. Receiver job is to make a play on the ball. There's very few Drew Breed in the world who put the ball exactly where it would be best for the wr.



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