Time to look seriously at getting rid of Anae

So, who would be the possible candidates for OC right now or even next season? Doman is not a candidate for a few years. I'd be for having Crowton back as OC. Leach has definately had success, but would he even consider something other than HC? Could we deal with his personality?



So, who else is out there?

Wow, in a rebuilding year I honestly didn't think that fans would be calling for a coach's job after a single loss. This is crazy talk.



In 2005 Anae demonstrated that he was willing to adjust from his Texas Tech offense for a more balanced attack. He'll adjust to our strengths again, once we determine what those strengths are.



4 consecutive 10-win seasons doesn't count for anything I guess.

CAFB_04-12 wrote:
Wow, in a rebuilding year I honestly didn't think that fans would be calling for a coach's job after a single loss. This is crazy talk.



In 2005 Anae demonstrated that he was willing to adjust from his Texas Tech offense for a more balanced attack. He'll adjust to our strengths again, once we determine what those strengths are.



4 consecutive 10-win seasons doesn't count for anything I guess.

The 10 win seasons were wonderful, but were the successes just enough dressing to cover up the problems? If Anae plans on running this offense the next two years, we're in trouble. If we don't improve drastically, this team won't go to a bowl game. 2011's schedule will have enough soft opponents that we'll probably end up bowling, but it will be another wasted year.

If we are calling for Anae's head after this, we should be cleaning the whole cupboard.



Here's what Anae has done for BYU:

Top 25 scoring offense in 5/6 years--#47 in 2007.

Top 25 in total offense in each of the last six years.



And after one game, people want to get rid of him and promote someone with no play-calling experience? Why aren't we calling for Jaime Hill's head after giving up 400 yards rushing--under Jaime our scoring defense has consistently fallen--we haven't been top-25 in that department in the last two years.



I think it's just absurd to call for Anae's head after the AFA game when he has been one of the top offensive coordinators in the country. If you are going to let him go, you had better have a plan for a replacement who is going to be an improvement who would actually come to Provo to work. I can't think of anyone who fits that bill.

snoscythe wrote:
If we are calling for Anae's head after this, we should be cleaning the whole cupboard.



Here's what Anae has done for BYU:

Top 25 scoring offense in 5/6 years--#47 in 2007.

Top 25 in total offense in each of the last six years.



And after one game, people want to get rid of him and promote someone with no play-calling experience? Why aren't we calling for Jaime Hill's head after giving up 400 yards rushing--under Jaime our scoring defense has consistently fallen--we haven't been top-25 in that department in the last two years.



I think it's just absurd to call for Anae's head after the AFA game when he has been one of the top offensive coordinators in the country. If you are going to let him go, you had better have a plan for a replacement who is going to be an improvement who would actually come to Provo to work. I can't think of anyone who fits that bill.

I agree. The get rid of anae thing is stupid and overreactionary. Nobody is perfect, but some are better than most. anae falls into the latter category.

Here's my point: I want to win now. I want to win in the long run as well. I usually assume the staff has these same objectives. I have heard before that Anae at times lets other alterior motives cloud his judgment a bit (sort of like when you call a timeout at the end of NCAA '11 to get the ball back in order to pad your stats even though the game is well in hand, often leading to a last-second pick.) I used to disagree with those saying that Anae had other interests that he might put above winning, but his last comment makes me wonder if there's not something to it. And if there is something to it, then he needs to be scared straight or hit the pavement.



If it's going to be Riley all year, this season is all but over. If it's Riley next season as well, that's a likely wasted year (I just hope Jake redshirts then). So we're looking at spring/fall of 2012 before Jake gets all the snaps necessarry to be a starter in the real BYU offense. THEN we're looking at several games into the 2012 season before Jake becomes a solid, seasoned BYU QB. The growing pains during that season should be the ones Jake is feeling THIS SEASON. Before you know it, we could be looking at 2013 as the first season where all the pieces are in place rather than 2011.



That freaking blows.



BTW, I think "looking into getting rid of Anae" implies a search for a suitable replacement.

byutx wrote:
BTW, I think "looking into getting rid of Anae" implies a search for a suitable replacement.

And I'm all for an upgrade anytime we can get one. I just think it is going to be REALLY difficult to find someone better than Anae right now. There's just too few guys who are an upgrade with the Xs and Os, and then you have to find one of them who additionally wants to get paid very little and set a moral example not only for these boys, but for the university. If he had a string of bad games, you could justify taking a risk with an unproven yet promising commodity like Ty Detmer. But after bad game, it's harder to make that justification.



As far as the names that consistently get bandied about, Leach will never come to Provo unless they stock his office with Wild Turkey liquor, Reid/Holmgren are not going to relinquish their alpha roles to come in as coordinators, and Crowton is out of our price range for an OC, especially after we fired him.

byutx wrote:
Here's my point: I want to win now. I want to win in the long run as well. I usually assume the staff has these same objectives. I have heard before that Anae at times lets other alterior motives cloud his judgment a bit (sort of like when you call a timeout at the end of NCAA '11 to get the ball back in order to pad your stats even though the game is well in hand, often leading to a last-second pick.) I used to disagree with those saying that Anae had other interests that he might put above winning, but his last comment makes me wonder if there's not something to it. And if there is something to it, then he needs to be scared straight or hit the pavement.



If it's going to be Riley all year, this season is all but over. If it's Riley next season as well, that's a likely wasted year (I just hope Jake redshirts then). So we're looking at spring/fall of 2012 before Jake gets all the snaps necessarry to be a starter in the real BYU offense. THEN we're looking at several games into the 2012 season before Jake becomes a solid, seasoned BYU QB. The growing pains during that season should be the ones Jake is feeling THIS SEASON. Before you know it, we could be looking at 2013 as the first season where all the pieces are in place rather than 2011.



That freaking blows.



BTW, I think "looking into getting rid of Anae" implies a search for a suitable replacement.

So why do you think that Heaps will have growing pains no matter when he starts? Did Max Hall have growing pains in 2007? I remember people predicting Ty Detmer/Heisman seasons after he was so successful in 2007. I think guys can be good right off the bat when they have had time in a system/scout team. I think that if Heaps had redshirted this year and started next he would look really good right off the bat. Same thing if he redshirted next year to let Nelson have a Sr year.

frdbtr wrote:

Here's my point: I want to win now. I want to win in the long run as well. I usually assume the staff has these same objectives. I have heard before that Anae at times lets other alterior motives cloud his judgment a bit (sort of like when you call a timeout at the end of NCAA '11 to get the ball back in order to pad your stats even though the game is well in hand, often leading to a last-second pick.) I used to disagree with those saying that Anae had other interests that he might put above winning, but his last comment makes me wonder if there's not something to it. And if there is something to it, then he needs to be scared straight or hit the pavement.



If it's going to be Riley all year, this season is all but over. If it's Riley next season as well, that's a likely wasted year (I just hope Jake redshirts then). So we're looking at spring/fall of 2012 before Jake gets all the snaps necessarry to be a starter in the real BYU offense. THEN we're looking at several games into the 2012 season before Jake becomes a solid, seasoned BYU QB. The growing pains during that season should be the ones Jake is feeling THIS SEASON. Before you know it, we could be looking at 2013 as the first season where all the pieces are in place rather than 2011.



That freaking blows.



BTW, I think "looking into getting rid of Anae" implies a search for a suitable replacement.

So why do you think that Heaps will have growing pains no matter when he starts? Did Max Hall have growing pains in 2007? I remember people predicting Ty Detmer/Heisman seasons after he was so successful in 2007. I think guys can be good right off the bat when they have had time in a system/scout team. I think that if Heaps had redshirted this year and started next he would look really good right off the bat. Same thing if he redshirted next year to let Nelson have a Sr year.

I think it's a sound assumption that a guy needs a certain amount of snaps. Coach Doman said the very thing about getting Max ready in 2007. And if you remember, we started 1-2 that year. Max had some great plays and made some mistakes, but he had an entire spring ball and fall camp to get ready. If Riley is the guy, then Jake isn't getting enough snaps and he won't until spring/fall of 2012. So, you're right, he may not have as many growing pains in 2012 as I let on. Especially considering that our 2012 schedule might be a relatively easy one as well. But I'm not willing to wait that extra year if we don't have to.

I'm just saying, and have on other threads, that I think this season he gets exposed for what he is. A B-league play caller, that can't make good adjustments on the fly. And won't admit that he made the wrong one, and would do it again, even in a loss. Do we want to become a running team, that passes once in a while? This year, and/or next?



That is clearly what Anae wants based on his interview, and what he is doing this season at BYU.



I didn't hear mention once that anyone on this thread wants to fire him. Just start looking at his position seriously.

Two words: Norm Chow.



Be careful what we wish for. We all thought Chow was a problem, then he goes and gets two more Heismans for his resume and two more NC.



Coaches aren't paid to give quotes and be great speakers. They are paid to coach. As long as they learn from their mistakes that is enough for me. Anything that coaches say publicly has to be taken with a grain of salt and cannot be used to measure if they are learning or not.



If he does not say we would do the same, then he opens a new can of worms that will cause more problems.

Y12 wrote:
Two words: Norm Chow.



Be careful what we wish for. We all thought Chow was a problem, then he goes and gets two more Heismans for his resume and two more NC.



Coaches aren't paid to give quotes and be great speakers. They are paid to coach. As long as they learn from their mistakes that is enough for me. Anything that coaches say publicly has to be taken with a grain of salt and cannot be used to measure if they are learning or not.



If he does not say we would do the same, then he opens a new can of worms that will cause more problems.

Chow is another one with a Dr's degree that all the BYU fans were smarter then while he was here. i am not a chow fan in fact I can't hardly believe the things I have heard him say in the media but he is a good OC and yet while he was here, the BYU fans couldn't wait to get rid of him.

frdbtr wrote:

Two words: Norm Chow.



Be careful what we wish for. We all thought Chow was a problem, then he goes and gets two more Heismans for his resume and two more NC.



Coaches aren't paid to give quotes and be great speakers. They are paid to coach. As long as they learn from their mistakes that is enough for me. Anything that coaches say publicly has to be taken with a grain of salt and cannot be used to measure if they are learning or not.



If he does not say we would do the same, then he opens a new can of worms that will cause more problems.

Chow is another one with a Dr's degree that all the BYU fans were smarter then while he was here. i am not a chow fan in fact I can't hardly believe the things I have heard him say in the media but he is a good OC and yet while he was here, the BYU fans couldn't wait to get rid of him.

I think Chow was brilliant, but he needed a change of venue. Everyone does things somewhat differently when given new situations, and his tenure here, had grown stale. I think bringing him back now would be a good move, just like sending him away then was also a good move.

How could running the ball to shorten the game have been a better option when you were down by three touchdowns? Seriously, that only makes sense if you are just trying to SHORTEN the game so you can get on the bus and go home--Not try to win the game. You actually have to get first downs to rest your defense. After the first two or three three-and-outs adjustments should have been made. And when we were down by three touchdowns in the fourth quarter, the gig should have been up for "the running game." Unless, of course, we had given up on trying to win and just wanted to shorten the game. Heaps should have been in all fourth quarter trying to establish a rythym with the offense and slinging the ball down the field. What did he do to prove that the passing game did not work. Throw one lousy pick. Well, la de dah, good thing we didn't bench Max Hall after his first pick. Anae quit when the going got tough. Is it any surprise that the team followed suit? I commend Riley for trying to make the best of it, but the coaches failed him. And that includes Bronco who should have demanded Heaps be put in the fourth quarter when down by 21. No chance for a Jimmy Mac type comeback because our coaches quit and many of the players followed suit. End of story. Losses don't bother me. Not giving your all and giving up tick me off to no end.

Anae hasn't learned from his mistakes, because there has been no consequences.

Anae can out game plan almost anyone in college football, given enough time. His struggle has always been in game adjustment.



Now is not the time to fire him or look for replacements.

Cougarfan87 wrote:
No chance for a Jimmy Mac type comeback because our coaches quit and many of the players followed suit. End of story. Losses don't bother me. Not giving your all and giving up tick me off to no end.

amen to that!



It doesn't bother me that our young team lost to an experienced and talented Air Force team that was highly motivated for two great reason: 1) the game was on 9/11 and 2) we've embarrassed them repeatedly over the last couple years. What bothers me is that we seemed to give up in the 4th quarter. Even after being dominated through the 2nd and 3rd quarters, we were only down 1 score until the end of the 3rd! Where was the fire!!! We just rolled over and died and that's what pissed me off watching that game. The play calling was spineless and the players looked defeated

Leaving BYU was the best thing that happened to Norm Chow. He was forced to reinvent himself to a certain degree. He had become complacent and predictable at BYU. He did things at NC State and USC that he didn't do in Provo.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

I didn't hear mention once that anyone on this thread wants to fire him. Just start looking at his position seriously.

Thanks. That is my point. Looking at his position. One of my many faults is that there are times when I think a certain message is implied but I lose people along the way by not being sufficiently explicit. during games like AFA I'm a bit too explicit.

The talent Anae had around him covered for many of his lackings. BYU could run the same plays over and over and still get results because we had the players. When more talented or equally talented teams showed up, we suffered. We can't do that now. Our guys aren't there yet.



Not only can Anae not admit he made a mistake, it appears from his perspective a mistake wasn't even made. That's crazy talk. We get blown out by AFA after squashing them 6 years in a row and he'd do the same thing! I'm no football expert, nor do I claim to be, but that's backwards.



Also, don't OCs usually only stay in one spot for about 3 or so years and then move on? Again, if BYU wants to compete on a national stage, a new OC is needed.



Lastly, I don't want to watch a QB tuck it and run every other play. That's boring. If this becomes the Nelson tuck-and-run-show I'm done watching until a more entertaining QB actually gets a chance to play.