Bronco's approach to the QB's=sacrifice 2010?

snoscythe wrote:

snoscythe wrote:

frdbtr wrote:

I am really troubled by his comments on KSL from last night. I just don't understand why, if we're going to concede 2010 as a transition year with very little expectations for success (8-4 is this team's and system's absolute cieling, with a likelyl 5-7 floor), why not use it as a chance to get Heaps ready for 3 years of play? Bronco, IMHO, is insuring that Heaps isn't ready to go next year by not getting him the practice snaps and game experience that he needs. I fear that he might run with this system throughout spring, next fall and into 2011.

So far, I think Heaps hasn't performed well in games. People have blamed it on his recievers and JJ fumbling but the bottom line is, he hasn't performed well in games. The way I see it is; as he performs better and starts leading drives down the field into scores (whether they be field goals or TD's), he will see the field more and Riley will see it less. I really don't think that Bronco is intentionally holding him back, I think they want him to be more trustworthy on the field before they give him more reps. This is my opinion, since I am not in the coaches meetings.

Jake is bringing it and he's being screwed by our elite receiving corps so far. Give him a chance to get in a rhythm just as Nelson has been given the same. That's all anyone is saying. We're not at apples to apples yet.

Yeah, he's bringing it....half of the time. The other half of the time, he's been throwing to the wrong team. As far as the receiving corps, Nelson has shown an ability to move the chains and score with the same receivers, so blaming the receivers isn't going to get you very far.



Starting last night I got to thinking, mostly thanks to this thread, that maybe giving Heaps a RS next season wouldn't be a bad idea.

Then who starts in 2011, nelson? do you really think he is better in 2011 than heaps or lark or even munns at that point?

He hasn't really done much to distinguish himself so far other than throwing pretty spirals to either the other team or no one.

Cougarbib2 wrote:
BTW, Utah got their freshman QB ready by about week 8 or 9 without much game experience and limited practice snaps and it worked - so quit worrying about Heaps not getting a chance to be ready in 2011. Bronco clearly stated that he thinks Heaps will be ready in 2010 but is not ready yet.



BTW, Utah is very glad they have Cain and Wynn both ready to play because Cain was Abel last week and next week and Wynn wasn't and isn't. Hopefully the investment, risk, and sacrifice made this early season will ensure we have a back-up QB ready should we need one. Nelson is taking a pounding for the cause, and he is at risk of injury. With OL play like we got Saturday, imagine the "fan" outrage if Heaps was taking the pounding, trying to make something out of nothing, and got a shoulder separation on his throwing side. Something for all the supposed "long-term" thinkers to ponder.



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IndiCoug wrote:

For either QB to thrive, they need protection like they got in week 1. Our center got worked by AFA and that resulted in 6 false starts, 1 illegal snap, and pressure on the QB with a 3 or 4 man rush. Matt Reynolds was sick. A little more time to throw gives more opportunity to check down and more time to get open before you start hearing footsteps. I would also bet that BYU will be less likely to be drawn into false starts if FSU tries ti imitate the snap count.



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Good comment on the protection. I think it will be better this week.

False Starts ---I think that depends on who is playing. Heaps didn't have any false starts during the AF game. It was an issue with Riley which needs to be corrected for the FSU game. Does anyone know what the ratio of false starts our offense had during Washington? I was just wondering if the issue is just the one game or if there's a trend going between both game. Pretty hard to move the ball when you're tacking 5 yards on.

snoscythe wrote:
Isn't using 2010 as a "chance to get Heaps ready for 3 years of play" sacrificing 2010? Isn't that what most of you want? To mail it in for 2010 to try and get Heaps ready for 2011 and beyond?

jonnylingo wrote:

Cougarbib2 wrote:
For either QB to thrive, they need protection like they got in week 1. Our center got worked by AFA and that resulted in 6 false starts, 1 illegal snap, and pressure on the QB with a 3 or 4 man rush. Matt Reynolds was sick. A little more time to throw gives more opportunity to check down and more time to get open before you start hearing footsteps. I would also bet that BYU will be less likely to be drawn into false starts if FSU tries ti imitate the snap count.



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Good comment on the protection. I think it will be better this week.

False Starts ---I think that depends on who is playing. Heaps didn't have any false starts during the AF game. It was an issue with Riley which needs to be corrected for the FSU game. Does anyone know what the ratio of false starts our offense had during Washington? I was just wondering if the issue is just the one game or if there's a trend going between both game. Pretty hard to move the ball when you're tacking 5 yards on.

All the false starts were when riely was in because nobody knew what the hell he was doing or going to do. his fault but mainly the coaches fault. coaches screwed up big time just like they are screwing up with a two qb system. just pick one, even if its riley.

snoscythe wrote:

It's like being in the twilight zone reading Sno, FDBTR, and Hawking. Riley had a whole half to himself where he was exposed but that's not enough to judge him on. However, Jake's on and off series for 1 1/2 games is enough to tell us that all he does is throw picks.

Yet it's okay to judge Nelson off of the one-half where the coaches admit they didn't call the right gameplan and ignore the success he's had when they've done it right?

Lawboy wrote:
Wow, go to Orlando for 5 days for biz, and come back to the same stuff.



Listen, Riley Nelson is limited as a QB, will not help BYU get to anything better than 8-4. If BYU is going to have a "down" year, may as well groom the young kid with MUCH greater upside. USC did it last year, and now their offense looks potent. BYU needs to give Heaps the same shot Riley just got last week to see if he can do better. End of story. Riley was crap the 2nd half last week, and AFA gave every team BYU plays the blueprint on how to shut him down. Gap blits the run lanes and dare him to throw. He won't. Only people who fail to see it are family members and close friends. And if you think Riley gives BYU the best shot to beat FSU, you did not see OU dismantle FSU with the pass. That is not Nelson. He can't do it.

Lawboy wrote:
Wow, go to Orlando for 5 days for biz, and come back to the same stuff.



Listen, Riley Nelson is limited as a QB, will not help BYU get to anything better than 8-4. If BYU is going to have a "down" year, may as well groom the young kid with MUCH greater upside. USC did it last year, and now their offense looks potent. BYU needs to give Heaps the same shot Riley just got last week to see if he can do better. End of story. Riley was crap the 2nd half last week, and AFA gave every team BYU plays the blueprint on how to shut him down. Gap blits the run lanes and dare him to throw. He won't. Only people who fail to see it are family members and close friends. And if you think Riley gives BYU the best shot to beat FSU, you did not see OU dismantle FSU with the pass. That is not Nelson. He can't do it.

IndiCoug wrote:

Wow, go to Orlando for 5 days for biz, and come back to the same stuff.



Listen, Riley Nelson is limited as a QB, will not help BYU get to anything better than 8-4. If BYU is going to have a "down" year, may as well groom the young kid with MUCH greater upside. USC did it last year, and now their offense looks potent. BYU needs to give Heaps the same shot Riley just got last week to see if he can do better. End of story. Riley was crap the 2nd half last week, and AFA gave every team BYU plays the blueprint on how to shut him down. Gap blits the run lanes and dare him to throw. He won't. Only people who fail to see it are family members and close friends. And if you think Riley gives BYU the best shot to beat FSU, you did not see OU dismantle FSU with the pass. That is not Nelson. He can't do it.

Interesting thought on family members. I wonder how many family and friends of Riley we have in here trying to make sway the opinion? Talk about your conflict of interest.

byutx wrote:

Isn't using 2010 as a "chance to get Heaps ready for 3 years of play" sacrificing 2010? Isn't that what most of you want? To mail it in for 2010 to try and get Heaps ready for 2011 and beyond?

Better than mailing it in for 2 years and not using the time to get Jake ready. If the W/L is going to be the same (I think we'll win more under Jake than with Riley trying to beat 8-9 guys with his legs) and we're not redshirting Jake, then why the heck not?

Mars wrote:

snoscythe wrote:
Isn't using 2010 as a "chance to get Heaps ready for 3 years of play" sacrificing 2010? Isn't that what most of you want? To mail it in for 2010 to try and get Heaps ready for 2011 and beyond?

Better than mailing it in for 2 years and not using the time to get Jake ready. If the W/L is going to be the same (I think we'll win more under Jake than with Riley trying to beat 8-9 guys with his legs) and we're not redshirting Jake, then why the heck not?

I agree with BYUtx completely.



MissouriCoug's comment that Sno is going "Twilight Zone" here aren't too far off. Is Sno married to Nelson's sister or something? "Why play Heaps more, he only completed 2 passes against Air Force, while Nelson was good enough to start the entire 2nd half!" Spin like that (my words) is just crazy-talk, not realistic at all, and the vast majority see that. Nelson is not a BYU QB. Nelson cannot run a BYU offense. BYU coaches tried their best to find a scheme that Nelson could run successfully and failed utterly. The Nelson experiment is OVER at this point, while the "Heaps experiment" has yet to begin.

snoscythe wrote:

Lawboy wrote:
Wow, go to Orlando for 5 days for biz, and come back to the same stuff.



Listen, Riley Nelson is limited as a QB, will not help BYU get to anything better than 8-4. If BYU is going to have a "down" year, may as well groom the young kid with MUCH greater upside. USC did it last year, and now their offense looks potent. BYU needs to give Heaps the same shot Riley just got last week to see if he can do better. End of story. Riley was crap the 2nd half last week, and AFA gave every team BYU plays the blueprint on how to shut him down. Gap blits the run lanes and dare him to throw. He won't. Only people who fail to see it are family members and close friends. And if you think Riley gives BYU the best shot to beat FSU, you did not see OU dismantle FSU with the pass. That is not Nelson. He can't do it.

Interesting thought on family members. I wonder how many family and friends of Riley we have in here trying to make sway the opinion? Talk about your conflict of interest.

I know of one member of Nelson's family and one of Heaps' family that post on here. Nelson's relative has to date steered clear of the QB threads. The Heaps family has not been so hesitant.

snoscythe wrote:

byutx wrote:

Isn't using 2010 as a "chance to get Heaps ready for 3 years of play" sacrificing 2010? Isn't that what most of you want? To mail it in for 2010 to try and get Heaps ready for 2011 and beyond?

Better than mailing it in for 2 years and not using the time to get Jake ready. If the W/L is going to be the same (I think we'll win more under Jake than with Riley trying to beat 8-9 guys with his legs) and we're not redshirting Jake, then why the heck not?

I agree with BYUtx completely.



MissouriCoug's comment that Sno is going "Twilight Zone" here aren't too far off. Is Sno married to Nelson's sister or something? "Why play Heaps more, he only completed 2 passes against Air Force, while Nelson was good enough to start the entire 2nd half!" Spin like that (my words) is just crazy-talk, not realistic at all, and the vast majority see that. Nelson is not a BYU QB. Nelson cannot run a BYU offense. BYU coaches tried their best to find a scheme that Nelson could run successfully and failed utterly. The Nelson experiment is OVER at this point, while the "Heaps experiment" has yet to begin.

It hasn't begun because he hasn't earned it. As poorly as Nelson played against AFA, he was still the better of the two quarterbacks on the day. You forgot that Heaps had a shot to earn playing time in the second quarter, he took that shot and handed it to Reggie Rembert.

MJCOUGAR wrote:
There hasn't been equal share to judge both of them on. Riley has had more opportunities and once he was given the full reign for a full half, he made nothing of it. Give Heaps that entire half and you'd have seen better results. Unfortunately that can't be proven because he has not been given a full half to call his own yet. I don't know what games sno was watching, it really has me confused. Equality has not been shown, once Nelson fumbled shouldn't he have been yanked?

snoscythe wrote:
It hasn't begun because he hasn't earned it. As poorly as Nelson played against AFA, he was still the better of the two quarterbacks on the day. You forgot that Heaps had a shot to earn playing time in the second quarter, he took that shot and handed it to Reggie Rembert.