Is McKay still our fastest guy?

snoscythe wrote:

Mckay looks slower to me. No separation today from anyone. Doesn't surprise me though. Look up my posts. Don't know how many times I've pointed out the problems with our strength and conditioning program. But what do I know? I just run a 4.4 through self-training and personally trained with Omer for over a year. But I probably just don't like fat people or something. Don't listen to me.

You forgot to mention "self-timed." ;)

I lol'd. I needed that, thanks. :lol:

And I don't know if you can term it "fastest."



I think "least slow" is more fitting and pc.

mizzoucoug wrote:

even our fastest recruits, once they arrive here, always seem to lose a step.

Y'know I'd like to explore this idea further. I made the same comment yesterday that for some reason our "fast" "athletes" don't look anything like the guys I watch play ball for UT, Auburn, or heck even USU--we don't have a single player as fast as Speight or Martin. Does our recruiting still just suck or are these players actually regressing at BYU? Is slowness contagious?



What is the science behind this? Very interesting.

There is definitely a science to it. And it's not what most people think (recruit black athletes = fast team). Black does not equal fast. (Although I've read some interesting studies that show that given the same training, black people on average have an easier time building the required muscles. This may account for the disparities many times.) Regardless of that though, with the right coach that understands the right principles, everyone on your team should be faster by their first game with you than they were when they arrived on campus. However, it would seem that just the opposite is true at BYU. When your strength and speed coaches don't know what they're doing, even recruiting can become a fruitless effort, because if you recruit fast guys and then they come to school and get on your program, they won't stay fast. Conversely, a good speed coach can minimize the extreme importance of recruiting, as they will raise the speed and ability of all players that come into the program. I've been saying this for three years now. Hopefully enough people will take note that we're very weak in that area.

taekwondave wrote:

taekwondave wrote:
even our fastest recruits, once they arrive here, always seem to lose a step.

Y'know I'd like to explore this idea further. I made the same comment yesterday that for some reason our "fast" "athletes" don't look anything like the guys I watch play ball for UT, Auburn, or heck even USU--we don't have a single player as fast as Speight or Martin. Does our recruiting still just suck or are these players actually regressing at BYU? Is slowness contagious?



What is the science behind this? Very interesting.

There is definitely a science to it. And it's not what most people think (recruit black athletes = fast team). Black does not equal fast. (Although I've read some interesting studies that show that given the same training, black people on average have an easier time building the required muscles. This may account for the disparities many times.) Regardless of that though, with the right coach that understands the right principles, everyone on your team should be faster by their first game with you than they were when they arrived on campus. However, it would seem that just the opposite is true at BYU. When your strength and speed coaches don't know what they're doing, even recruiting can become a fruitless effort, because if you recruit fast guys and then they come to school and get on your program, they won't stay fast. Conversely, a good speed coach can minimize the extreme importance of recruiting, as they will raise the speed and ability of all players that come into the program. I've been saying this for three years now. Hopefully enough people will take note that we're very weak in that area.

Well I think we've been weak there for 80 years. Does Omer need to go or what? Or does speed not matter to BYU football coaches? What's the deal?

He may be "fast" but it takes him twice as long to get up to speed. Same goes with all our receivers. I haven't seen Ross come off the line yet, though. We don't have anyone that's explosive off the line and can get up to speed in 3 steps.



Watch closer next time. Our guys will come off the line and finally after 10 yards they'll actually look like they're sprinting. Hard to create separation when it takes twice as long to shift.



If you watch Collie, however, who is considered a "slow" receiver you can see the difference. Collie explodes off the line. He's up to his full speed 3 steps into his route, which allows him to create separation early. Collie's full speed isn't as fast as other WRs or defenders' full speed, but he's up to full stride sooner, which is one of the reasons why Collie is usually in the slot.

taekwondave wrote:

taekwondave wrote:
even our fastest recruits, once they arrive here, always seem to lose a step.

Y'know I'd like to explore this idea further. I made the same comment yesterday that for some reason our "fast" "athletes" don't look anything like the guys I watch play ball for UT, Auburn, or heck even USU--we don't have a single player as fast as Speight or Martin. Does our recruiting still just suck or are these players actually regressing at BYU? Is slowness contagious?



What is the science behind this? Very interesting.

There is definitely a science to it. And it's not what most people think (recruit black athletes = fast team). Black does not equal fast. (Although I've read some interesting studies that show that given the same training, black people on average have an easier time building the required muscles. This may account for the disparities many times.) Regardless of that though, with the right coach that understands the right principles, everyone on your team should be faster by their first game with you than they were when they arrived on campus. However, it would seem that just the opposite is true at BYU. When your strength and speed coaches don't know what they're doing, even recruiting can become a fruitless effort, because if you recruit fast guys and then they come to school and get on your program, they won't stay fast. Conversely, a good speed coach can minimize the extreme importance of recruiting, as they will raise the speed and ability of all players that come into the program. I've been saying this for three years now. Hopefully enough people will take note that we're very weak in that area.

I'd be interested to hear more about your techniques for building speed. I think I'm still young enough to give them a go.

taekwondave wrote:

taekwondave wrote:
even our fastest recruits, once they arrive here, always seem to lose a step.

Y'know I'd like to explore this idea further. I made the same comment yesterday that for some reason our "fast" "athletes" don't look anything like the guys I watch play ball for UT, Auburn, or heck even USU--we don't have a single player as fast as Speight or Martin. Does our recruiting still just suck or are these players actually regressing at BYU? Is slowness contagious?



What is the science behind this? Very interesting.

There is definitely a science to it. And it's not what most people think (recruit black athletes = fast team). Black does not equal fast. (Although I've read some interesting studies that show that given the same training, black people on average have an easier time building the required muscles. This may account for the disparities many times.) Regardless of that though, with the right coach that understands the right principles, everyone on your team should be faster by their first game with you than they were when they arrived on campus. However, it would seem that just the opposite is true at BYU. When your strength and speed coaches don't know what they're doing, even recruiting can become a fruitless effort, because if you recruit fast guys and then they come to school and get on your program, they won't stay fast. Conversely, a good speed coach can minimize the extreme importance of recruiting, as they will raise the speed and ability of all players that come into the program. I've been saying this for three years now. Hopefully enough people will take note that we're very weak in that area.

Very true. And what some people/coaches don't realize is increasing speed is a delicate game of increasing muscle while maintaining flexibility. Hitting the weight room and bulking up the legs so you'll be stronger doesn't mean you'll be faster. It will actually slow you down. Look at Usain Bolt. Fastest guy in the world is 6'5" and weighs 200 lbs. (he weighed under 200 lbs when he broke the world record). Bolt can also put his knuckles on the ground.



On a different but somewhat related topic. I once saw a study where they took black men put them in a room, gave them a putter, told them putt a golf ball into a cup, and said the test was to measure their athleticism. They did the same thing with white men. The black men putted significantly better than the white men. They then repeated the same test, but this time around told the participants it was a test to measure intelligence. The second time around, the white men performed significantly better. Sports is as much a mental game as it's a physical game.

Jarhead wrote:

mizzoucoug wrote:

even our fastest recruits, once they arrive here, always seem to lose a step.

Y'know I'd like to explore this idea further. I made the same comment yesterday that for some reason our "fast" "athletes" don't look anything like the guys I watch play ball for UT, Auburn, or heck even USU--we don't have a single player as fast as Speight or Martin. Does our recruiting still just suck or are these players actually regressing at BYU? Is slowness contagious?



What is the science behind this? Very interesting.

There is definitely a science to it. And it's not what most people think (recruit black athletes = fast team). Black does not equal fast. (Although I've read some interesting studies that show that given the same training, black people on average have an easier time building the required muscles. This may account for the disparities many times.) Regardless of that though, with the right coach that understands the right principles, everyone on your team should be faster by their first game with you than they were when they arrived on campus. However, it would seem that just the opposite is true at BYU. When your strength and speed coaches don't know what they're doing, even recruiting can become a fruitless effort, because if you recruit fast guys and then they come to school and get on your program, they won't stay fast. Conversely, a good speed coach can minimize the extreme importance of recruiting, as they will raise the speed and ability of all players that come into the program. I've been saying this for three years now. Hopefully enough people will take note that we're very weak in that area.

I'd be interested to hear more about your techniques for building speed. I think I'm still young enough to give them a go.

PM me bro. I'll tell you anything you wanna know. Nothing feels quite like running really, really fast. :)

taekwondave wrote:

taekwondave wrote:

taekwondave wrote:
even our fastest recruits, once they arrive here, always seem to lose a step.

Y'know I'd like to explore this idea further. I made the same comment yesterday that for some reason our "fast" "athletes" don't look anything like the guys I watch play ball for UT, Auburn, or heck even USU--we don't have a single player as fast as Speight or Martin. Does our recruiting still just suck or are these players actually regressing at BYU? Is slowness contagious?



What is the science behind this? Very interesting.

There is definitely a science to it. And it's not what most people think (recruit black athletes = fast team). Black does not equal fast. (Although I've read some interesting studies that show that given the same training, black people on average have an easier time building the required muscles. This may account for the disparities many times.) Regardless of that though, with the right coach that understands the right principles, everyone on your team should be faster by their first game with you than they were when they arrived on campus. However, it would seem that just the opposite is true at BYU. When your strength and speed coaches don't know what they're doing, even recruiting can become a fruitless effort, because if you recruit fast guys and then they come to school and get on your program, they won't stay fast. Conversely, a good speed coach can minimize the extreme importance of recruiting, as they will raise the speed and ability of all players that come into the program. I've been saying this for three years now. Hopefully enough people will take note that we're very weak in that area.

I'd be interested to hear more about your techniques for building speed. I think I'm still young enough to give them a go.

PM me bro. I'll tell you anything you wanna know. Nothing feels quite like running really, really fast. :)

I just drive my car with the windows down and then swing my arms like this! It feels like you're running at an incredible rate!

Schmoe wrote:

Jarhead wrote:

mizzoucoug wrote:

even our fastest recruits, once they arrive here, always seem to lose a step.

Y'know I'd like to explore this idea further. I made the same comment yesterday that for some reason our "fast" "athletes" don't look anything like the guys I watch play ball for UT, Auburn, or heck even USU--we don't have a single player as fast as Speight or Martin. Does our recruiting still just suck or are these players actually regressing at BYU? Is slowness contagious?



What is the science behind this? Very interesting.

There is definitely a science to it. And it's not what most people think (recruit black athletes = fast team). Black does not equal fast. (Although I've read some interesting studies that show that given the same training, black people on average have an easier time building the required muscles. This may account for the disparities many times.) Regardless of that though, with the right coach that understands the right principles, everyone on your team should be faster by their first game with you than they were when they arrived on campus. However, it would seem that just the opposite is true at BYU. When your strength and speed coaches don't know what they're doing, even recruiting can become a fruitless effort, because if you recruit fast guys and then they come to school and get on your program, they won't stay fast. Conversely, a good speed coach can minimize the extreme importance of recruiting, as they will raise the speed and ability of all players that come into the program. I've been saying this for three years now. Hopefully enough people will take note that we're very weak in that area.

I'd be interested to hear more about your techniques for building speed. I think I'm still young enough to give them a go.

PM me bro. I'll tell you anything you wanna know. Nothing feels quite like running really, really fast. :)

I just drive my car with the windows down and then swing my arms like this! It feels like you're running at an incredible rate!

Sometimes I like you :D

You can still like me even if you disagree with me, and even if I'm a jerk, it's just tough to like me then, but I believe that you can do it!

Schmoe wrote:
You can still like me even if you disagree with me, and even if I'm a jerk, it's just tough to like me then, but I believe that you can do it!

Schmoe isn't a jerk. Just calls it the way he/she sees it.



Sometimes it looks like this: :crazy:



Or this: :evil:



Or this: :angry:



But either way it is usually good for a laugh, and if you are on the wrong side it's easy to get back in the middle.

You forgot to mention "But it never looks like this: :utard:" because that's just :sick: