Coach Hill is gone....

If we're talking about revamping the coordinators, how 'bout Mike Leach as OC. He's available.

One other thought.



From what's being said on the situation, Hill was asked to resign or be fired. Hill refused to resign, claiming he wasn't going to play BYU's PR game to preserve the school's image and be a "scapegoat." I think this is fairly indicative of Hill's demeanor.



I understand he just got fired and has every right to be upset, but by not "resigning" he makes himself look bad. Now, he's been "fired."



It wasn't about preserving BYU's image(remember, we just screwed over the MWC a month ago), it was about preserving Hill's image. It's a lot harder to find a job when you've been fired. It may not be so much for a coach that's been at BYU since he can just say he didn't fit in culturally and everyone will nod their heads in agreement, but he's been fired nonetheless.



Bronco likely had Hill's image on his mind; instead, Hill will claim he's a victim. In reality, though, Hill wasn't doing his job.

HoosierCougar wrote:
If we're talking about revamping the coordinators, how 'bout Mike Leach as OC. He's available.

Speaking of Mike Leach. I don't think Texas Tech is going to amount to much without him.

Jarhead wrote:

If we're talking about revamping the coordinators, how 'bout Mike Leach as OC. He's available.

Speaking of Mike Leach. I don't think Texas Tech is going to amount to much without him.

How many times does this have to be brought up? I guess as long as HoosierCougar will drive him to AA meetings and be his sponsor, we might have a chance at landing him ;)

Schmoe wrote:

HoosierCougar wrote:
If we're talking about revamping the coordinators, how 'bout Mike Leach as OC. He's available.

Speaking of Mike Leach. I don't think Texas Tech is going to amount to much without him.

How many times does this have to be brought up? I guess as long as HoosierCougar will drive him to AA meetings and be his sponsor, we might have a chance at landing him ;)

haha...was thinking the same thing.

bostoncoug wrote:

Just my speculation, but I think there is a lot more going on here than crappy defensive play....maybe the full story will come out at a later date.

Dickson's got an interesting take on the situation, check out his article from the twitter feed. I think that Hill was let go, because Bronco can take care of the defense. If Bronco was an offensive guy, then Anae is gone and Bronco takes over. I think (hope) that Anae is gone at the end of the year.

This is what I was thinking, Bronco just wants to take the reigns on something and knows that change is necessary. Hill was just unlucky enough to be the DC while Anae was lucky enough to be the OC.

HoosierCougar wrote:
If we're talking about revamping the coordinators, how 'bout Mike Leach as OC. He's available.

I think Mike Leach is on a lot of short lists for soon-to-be coaching vacancies. I know his name has been tossed around a lot for the Minnesota job when they finally can Tim Brewster. Him and Troy Calhoun.

Bronco can take on the defensive responsibilities. If he was an offensive guy, Anae would be gone. It's obvious that this was no longer working.



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ThrowbackBlue wrote:

A LOT of players will be happy about this news.

This statement says it all.



This isn't Bronco overlooking the issues at offense, it's removing another issue before it gets any worse.



As much as Bronco likes coach Hill, there have been few players outside of cornerbacks that got along with coach hill the past few years. Right now the players don't want to play for him, don't like playing for him, and won't play for him moving forward.



I've heard this from various players the last couple years, but when you're winning football games like we have, these issues are easier to suppress.



On a side note....... I'm a proponent of going after Kalani Sitaki at the end of the year. Not only is he a capable BYU alum, but he would reinforce the poly-pipeline that comes along with him. He's also a really nice guy and easy to get along with.



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i like the thought of Sitake. His D has been great. If not him I might say go after one of the position coachs at TCU. They know the schemes, they understand the system and they would be able to take the great talent we have and make the most of it. As for Anae, he is fast losing my confidence. The constant 2yard outs were driving me crazy. And running the smallest back on the team up the middle on short yardage plays.

ThrowbackBlue wrote:

A LOT of players will be happy about this news.

This statement says it all.



This isn't Bronco overlooking the issues at offense, it's removing another issue before it gets any worse.



As much as Bronco likes coach Hill, there have been few players outside of cornerbacks that got along with coach hill the past few years. Right now the players don't want to play for him, don't like playing for him, and won't play for him moving forward.



I've heard this from various players the last couple years, but when you're winning football games like we have, these issues are easier to suppress.



On a side note....... I'm a proponent of going after Kalani Sitaki at the end of the year. Not only is he a capable BYU alum, but he would reinforce the poly-pipeline that comes along with him. He's also a really nice guy and easy to get along with.



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i like the thought of Sitake. His D has been great. If not him I might say go after one of the position coachs at TCU. They know the schemes, they understand the system and they would be able to take the great talent we have and make the most of it. As for Anae, he is fast losing my confidence. The constant 2yard outs were driving me crazy. And running the smallest back on the team up the middle on short yardage plays.

This theme that most of you think Anae and Hill were both in jeopardy and Bronco picked Hill for now and Anae for Dec 1 does not make sense. It is too inconsistent with prior context. Bronco hired both. He made Anae OC instead of Reynolds whom almost got the job instead of Bronco. He promoted Hill recently. At the end of last season he hinted that 2 or as many as 3 would get jobs elsewhere during the offseason in a way I took as meaning opportunities for them to move up or ahead. He gave no hint of losing confidence.



Perhaps Hill told Bronco, this year that unless Bronco stepped back and let Hill run the show, he couldn't be expected to improve the D. Maybe this was the only way for Bronco to stick his nose back in the D. Another possibility - black people are hard to fire - especially by an employer that does not have many, due to affirmative action. Clear warnings, documentation, and opportunity to succeed that can be measuredcare needed. Maybe Bronco has been trying to make this change and the HR attorneys said. - first u have to give him full authority and then you have to keep out of his way. Or the lack of player support, if true would nevcisitate a change. Or finger pointing bs offense in front of the team if there was any, maybe the rumored incident of a coach fight with O'neil Chambers over lack of hustle was instigated by Hill. I do not have any idea what happened, but having fired many people, these scenarios are more plausible.



But if folks are right and Broncovmade a bad hire wit Hill compounded by a bad promotion and made a bad hire of Anar and OC choice over Reynolds, what does that say about Bronco's ability to choose talented assistants? Firing both - bang bang would be tough to explain.



I think Bronco is fair and has integrity. We may never know the full story here as he won't try to throw Hill under the public bus.



Finally, Holmoe and Bosco have plenty of ability to be interim coaches if Bronco really doesxwant to make another change and Reynolds has upside. Interesting fans are not criticizing the QB coach a bit more - probably getting cut slack due to perception that Anae favored Nelson and Doman was a Heaps guy-call it Heaps Honeymoon Syndrome



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Why should Doman be getting heat right now?



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I don't think Doman should and I am just surprised that the ridiculous outpouring of fan angst hasn't unfairly nabbed him for not recognizing talent and decisively picking one and going to war for that choice and for taking so darn long to get Heaps ready.



Now, I subscribe to none of that - I don't think any of our 4 QBs were a clear choice. Nelson, if healthy was the best early choice, but he was clearly at risk for injury being a running QB with poor protection, and a backup needed to be brought along quickly, and that was not going to be easy no matter who the back-up was, and that Heaps should be carefully groomed and prepared with minimized risk of injury or being thrown to the sharks.



And I knew it was all a very tall order.



I support all of the coaches unless one of them was not being a humble team guy.



Go Cougs



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Cougarbib2 wrote:

Cougarbib2 wrote:
Interesting fans are not criticizing the QB coach a bit more - probably getting cut slack due to perception that Anae favored Nelson and Doman was a Heaps guy-call it Heaps Honeymoon Syndrome

Why should Doman be getting heat right now?

I don't think Doman should and I am just surprised that the ridiculous outpouring of fan angst hasn't unfairly nabbed him for not recognizing talent and decisively picking one and going to war for that choice and for taking so darn long to get Heaps ready.



Now, I subscribe to none of that - I don't think any of our 4 QBs were a clear choice. Nelson, if healthy was the best early choice, but he was clearly at risk for injury being a running QB with poor protection, and a backup needed to be brought along quickly, and that was not going to be easy no matter who the back-up was, and that Heaps should be carefully groomed and prepared with minimized risk of injury or being thrown to the sharks.



And I knew it was all a very tall order.



I support all of the coaches unless one of them was not being a humble team guy.



Go Cougs

So let me get me get this straight: Doman hasn't done anything wrong, but because we are all such big Heaps lovin' idiots you are surprised we aren't just grabbing bodies and throwing them in the fire?



What's your deal?



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BlueIsBetter wrote:
So let me get this straight, Doman hasn't done anything wrong, but because we are all such big Heaps lovin idiots you are surprised we aren't just grabbing bodies and throwing them in the fire?



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Wow, I haven't seen anyone hit the nail on the head like this in a long time. Well done! :lol:

Schmoe wrote:

So let me get this straight, Doman hasn't done anything wrong, but because we are all such big Heaps lovin idiots you are surprised we aren't just grabbing bodies and throwing them in the fire?



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Wow, I haven't seen anyone hit the nail on the head like this in a long time. Well done! :lol:

Thanks... <<<Shakes his head>>>



Some people's children...

Ya'll need to remember that Hill was supposed to be totally autonomous this year. Last year he was "the guy" at D, but Bronco helped some to prep. This year Hill was supposed to make all adjustments, make all calls, and you can see in the game that Bronco is totally hands off. Bronco actually looks pretty pissed (in his eyes - kinda like Lavell would) on TV when they cut to him and the D just gave up another 3rd and long. I mean... if Hill was such and awesome coordinater we would not be giving up 3rd and long like it was going out of style.



Something had to be done. I think if Max Hall were still here -- and you had an experience QB that could call plays and audibles -- and offense was anemic because of lack of the run, etc. Then maybe you would see OC fired over DC -- maybe not. But, Max carried last years offensive play calling - especially 2 minute drives.

Guys, here is the reason Hill got fired. We have a young offense that isn't very good, our defense was supposed to carry us this year while the offense grows. Here are some telling stats



Utah state 1st half statistics: 5 total drives, 4 scores (3 td's and a FG)

Nevada 1st half statistics: 6 total drives 4 scores (3td's and a FG)

FSU, first half was good, we had a chance in that game in the first half but in the second, here is the drive chart: 4 total drives, 4 scores (3 td's and a FG)

AF: Was more methodical, they scored 3 times out of 5 drives in the first half and 2 times on 5 drives in the second.



My point is, the offense has been bad but that is predictable when you replace Max hall with a True freshman, Dennis Pitta with 5 freshman, Harvey Unga with a Jr (who has never started) and a true freshman.



My observations on the Defense is that the players are out of position most of the time and can't make up for that with their speed. the reason our defense always looks slow is because they take bad angles on ball carriers and aren't filling gaps correctly. How many times have you seen someone streak through a hole only to miss the ball carrier and let him get to the outside for a big gain? Last year BYU was great at stringing ball carriers trying to get to the outside all the way to the sideline and then gang tackling them. I was getting sick of it. Yes the offense is bad, but the defense has not given them a chance to win, especially the last couple of weeks. You can't give up 24 points in a half and expect a true freshman to throw us back into a game, it just isn't going to work. Something had to be done and Bronco has done it. If we have any chance this year at salvaging this season, it is going to have to come on the backs of the D.

frdbtr wrote:
Guys, here is the reason Hill got fired. We have a young offense that isn't very good, our defense was supposed to carry us this year while the offense grows. Here are some telling stats



Utah state 1st half statistics: 5 total drives, 4 scores (3 td's and a FG)

Nevada 1st half statistics: 6 total drives 4 scores (3td's and a FG)

FSU, first half was good, we had a chance in that game in the first half but in the second, here is the drive chart: 4 total drives, 4 scores (3 td's and a FG)

AF: Was more methodical, they scored 3 times out of 5 drives in the first half and 2 times on 5 drives in the second.



My point is, the offense has been bad but that is predictable when you replace Max hall with a True freshman, Dennis Pitta with 5 freshman, Harvey Unga with a Jr (who has never started) and a true freshman.



My observations on the Defense is that the players are out of position most of the time and can't make up for that with their speed. the reason our defense always looks slow is because they take bad angles on ball carriers and aren't filling gaps correctly. How many times have you seen someone streak through a hole only to miss the ball carrier and let him get to the outside for a big gain? Last year BYU was great at stringing ball carriers trying to get to the outside all the way to the sideline and then gang tackling them. I was getting sick of it. Yes the offense is bad, but the defense has not given them a chance to win, especially the last couple of weeks. You can't give up 24 points in a half and expect a true freshman to throw us back into a game, it just isn't going to work. Something had to be done and Bronco has done it. If we have any chance this year at salvaging this season, it is going to have to come on the backs of the D.

My thoughts exactly. Something needs to be done on both ends, but not only is Hill putting guys out of position, but a lot of his guys don't want to play for him, and it shows. They have no heart out there, no passion.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

BlueisBetter wrote:

Interesting fans are not criticizing the QB coach a bit more - probably getting cut slack due to perception that Anae favored Nelson and Doman was a Heaps guy-call it Heaps Honeymoon Syndrome

Why should Doman be getting heat right now?

I don't think Doman should and I am just surprised that the ridiculous outpouring of fan angst hasn't unfairly nabbed him for not recognizing talent and decisively picking one and going to war for that choice and for taking so darn long to get Heaps ready.



Now, I subscribe to none of that - I don't think any of our 4 QBs were a clear choice. Nelson, if healthy was the best early choice, but he was clearly at risk for injury being a running QB with poor protection, and a backup needed to be brought along quickly, and that was not going to be easy no matter who the back-up was, and that Heaps should be carefully groomed and prepared with minimized risk of injury or being thrown to the sharks.



And I knew it was all a very tall order.



I support all of the coaches unless one of them was not being a humble team guy.



Go Cougs

So let me get me get this straight: Doman hasn't done anything wrong, but because we are all such big Heaps lovin' idiots you are surprised we aren't just grabbing bodies and throwing them in the fire?



What's your deal?



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Cougarbib? ... I noticed you posting on some other places after I posted this. You can PM me if you want, or if you don't have an answer, and I'll leave it alone, but I really dislike what you are insinuating here, and since I am being called out, I would like you to explain yourself.