Sampson "really concerned" about Hill firing

kitic77 wrote:

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I do this only to ask an honest question---does BYU havea credibility problem with non-LDS athletes and employees? Are LDS players and employees given more slack?



First we have Coach Hill's wife Facebook post, and many of us thought it referred to other BYU coaches still holding jobs this year even though performance is not great. Now we have this gem from Mike Loyd:



“The Mormon thing wasn’t for me,” said Loyd, who was born and raised in Las Vegas before living in Provo, Utah, for three years while playing basketball at BYU.



“The church was heavily involved with the school, and obviously, if you live anywhere for a long period of time, they are going to open your mind to what they believe. They had a problem with me not being LDS (Latter Day Saints), but I couldn’t get my mind around their concepts,” said Loyd, who calls himself a Christian.



I am not saying this is true, what I am saying is that if there is a perception out there now that this IS true, BYU has a real problem on its hands.

Given the amount of scholastic, legal and honor code issues Loyd was dealing with, he was getting PLENTY of slack.

Yeah, it is funny how he forgot to mention getting caught with marijuana in his car.

A non-LDS athlete, especially a black one, will feel some isolation at BYU even where it is not intended. Non Mormons in SLC or at the U feel it to an extent. Mormons have their own lingo and just participating in a group conversation can make you feel left out when people start talking about the WARD, or the RELIEF SOCIETY PRESIDENT, or the ELDERS QUORUM PRESIDENT, or YOUNG MENS ACTIVITY, YOUNG WOMENS, CTR, YOUTH CONFERENCE, EFY, GENRAL AUTHORITIES, etc., etc.



I have a good friend, who, along with his wife, put their son in Catholic school so that he wouldn't be the only kid in his class that wasn't Mormon. So he became the only kid in his class who wasn't Catholic, until his mother converted and then he converted.



I had an employee I hired as a U of U MBA graduate to come work for me in So. California. She was very secretive that she smoked and when a non-LDS coworker in So. Cal picked up on it and casually mentioned it when we all went on a group ski trip, she got very defensive and cranky about it i nfront of everyone. Later she explained to me how tired she got of judgment she experienced at Highland High School and at the U.



I have had an opportunity for 8 years to live in Hawaii, where white people are a minority. It gives me some perspective on topics like this.



But, if a non-LDS athlete, balck, white, Hispanic, Asian, Polynesian, or otherwise, wants an environment that not only provides a top notch education, but is also supportive of sobriety, abstinence from sex and drugs, and overall good moral fiber - and does not want to feel out of place somewhere else, where moral behavior might be ridiculed - BYU is a great place to be. And you can find many people who would be happy to explain all of the Mormon jargon to you. Now if you want to marry (or seriously date) a Mormon - then you are going to get pressure to convert and become Temple worthy because all Active Mormons with a strong testimony of the Gospel will have Temple Marriage to a worthy member of the Church ranked well above football on their priority list.



Living in Hawaii has been a great multi-cultural experience for me and being a minority has opened my eyes. BYU could be a great experience for non-LDS athletes - at least for the right ones.

I also have lived in Hawaii for a couple of years and while it's interesting being a minority, it's not an issue. This should be the same anywhere...if you're new somewhere and you're the minority---do all you can to learn the culture, understand the people around you, and then treat them with respect and kindness. Learning their customs and respecting their culture is the most important thing you can do as a minority. I knew plenty of white people who were treated as though they were islanders because they in a way became islanders (aside from the white skin). Do your part, fit in.

Lawboy wrote:
**BUMP**



I do this only to ask an honest question---does BYU havea credibility problem with non-LDS athletes and employees? Are LDS players and employees given more slack?



First we have Coach Hill's wife Facebook post, and many of us thought it referred to other BYU coaches still holding jobs this year even though performance is not great. Now we have this gem from Mike Loyd:



“The Mormon thing wasn’t for me,” said Loyd, who was born and raised in Las Vegas before living in Provo, Utah, for three years while playing basketball at BYU.



“The church was heavily involved with the school, and obviously, if you live anywhere for a long period of time, they are going to open your mind to what they believe. They had a problem with me not being LDS (Latter Day Saints), but I couldn’t get my mind around their concepts,” said Loyd, who calls himself a Christian.



I am not saying this is true, what I am saying is that if there is a perception out there now that this IS true, BYU has a real problem on its hands.

If I recall correctly, doesn't Loyd have an affinity for marijuana? May have something to do with not being able to get his head around our concepts. I'm just saying...



I think this happens a lot with with non-LDS students, professors and coaches at BYU. No one is outwardly "judging" them or rejecting them. It's a self-imposed sentiment. It's like worrying about a spot on your shirt that no one can see but you, yet you're convinced everyone can see it and is talking about the spot on your shirt. Some people silently go about wondering whether anyone can actually see the spot until they eventually sequester themselves in a corner. Whereas others go around telling everyone about the spot, which most people find odd because if they hadn't told them about the spot they wouldn't have noticed.



It happens to me all the time. When at work parties and someone finds out I'm Mormon (usually when they ask me what school I went to) while sipping on their favorite alcoholic beverage 8 times out of 10 they suddenly become self-conscious about it. Some start trying to explain/justify that they only drink a little, etc and others become so uncomfortable that the conversation eventually fizzles and they retreat. Quite sad actually.

Cougy_Monster wrote:
What do people expect they're going to get when they move to Provo, Utah? The entire county is almost completely LDS. Among the 400,000 people in the area there will be lots who treat you well and a few who don't. If you want to find nice LDS friends you'll find them. If you want to find LDS jerks to complain about to the media you'll find them too. If you want to find a lot of non-LDS people you should move because they just aren't around. If you're surprised by that you have a problem.





I knew some people who went to a private catholic law school and complained about all the catholic influence. They explained it to me like it was unexpected. Definitely lacking some predictive reasoning there. How could they not see that coming?

Right after BYU I went to the school voted by NewsWeek as the most liberal school in the nation. At the undergraduate level it also happened to be an all girls school. Graduate courses, which I was taking, were male and female.



I always found it hilarious though when students would complain about how everything was geared more towards females, etc. And males, the handful of us, weren't taken into consideration. You're at an all girls schools! What do you expect? :roll:

Gunk wrote:

What do people expect they're going to get when they move to Provo, Utah? The entire county is almost completely LDS. Among the 400,000 people in the area there will be lots who treat you well and a few who don't. If you want to find nice LDS friends you'll find them. If you want to find LDS jerks to complain about to the media you'll find them too. If you want to find a lot of non-LDS people you should move because they just aren't around. If you're surprised by that you have a problem.





I knew some people who went to a private catholic law school and complained about all the catholic influence. They explained it to me like it was unexpected. Definitely lacking some predictive reasoning there. How could they not see that coming?

Right after BYU I went to the school voted by NewsWeek as the most liberal school in the nation. At the undergraduate level it also happened to be an all girls school. Graduate courses, which I was taking, were male and female.



I always found it hilarious though when students would complain about how everything was geared more towards females, etc. And males, the handful of us, weren't taken into consideration. You're at an all girls schools! What do you expect? :roll:

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No offense Lawboy, but I was pretty excited when this thread died, and it deserved to. All this thread does is give people an ezcuse to bag on BYU, White People in general, and white people at BYU.



I can assure you that it is weird for a few months to be in the minority (6'2 250 pound, blonde hair blue eyed serving a south american mission). But you get over it. The only reason someone would feel uncomfortable at BYU after a year is because their lifestyle doesn't fit ours, and that is something they should think about before they take the free schooling.



Our idea of a party is playing "apples to apples.". If their idea is freak-dancing til late in the morning, and anything and everything that constitutes, then that is cool, BYU just isn't your place.



And I contend heavily and heartily that people at BYU avoid black people or don't go out of their way to make them comfortable. I mean, women practically throw themselves at them. It's overboard. They are almost instantly the most popular people on campus. As far as racism goes - I don't know this for sure as there's no way to measure - I would imagine BYU would be very, very few and far between compared to other schools.



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