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Agree or disagree with coaching philosophy?

by Cougy_Monster · 10/13/2010

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Sammich
This has come up at least once every year, if not more often.



Do Bronco and the BYU coaches gameplan for opponents? YES.



Will Bronco EVER say to the media that he is gameplanning for an opponent? NO.



Get used to it and let's stop making an issue of this.
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Gunk
Sammich wrote:
This has come up at least once every year, if not more often.



Do Bronco and the BYU coaches gameplan for opponents? YES.



Will Bronco EVER say to the media that he is gameplanning for an opponent? NO.



Get used to it and let's stop making an issue of this.


Exactly! What Bronco says to the media is one thing. What Bronco says to his players and assistants is another. And that's how it should be.
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byutx
I haven't read all the responses here, so forgive me if this has been covered.



I still can't believe that we still have fans that don't understand what Bronco means with regard to not emphasizing (or whichever terminology he uses) the other team. For the record:



1-it does not mean they don't watch film (the film that our coaches and players watch is great in terms of quality and quantity-have you not heard the story about how the staff and players are all given dvd's of the next opponent, usually on Saturday night, just a few hours after the game is over?)



2-it does not mean that we don't draw up a game plan based on the other teams' tendencies, abilities and personnel (the opposite is true)
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Cougy_Monster
redneckjedi wrote:
craigoscarson wrote:
I think our bowl record speaks for itself. When and if Bronco fields a team worthy of a BCS bowl; we'll be ready.



Bronco is undoubtedly a better post-season coach than Lavell (no disrespect intended to the man that built BYU football).



I bet Crowton would have been a fantastic post-season coach at BYU.....


Yeah, his gameplan for the Liberty Bowl was fantastic... :whistle:



Ha ha. Yeah, we got worked that game but overall, regardless of the many Crowton failures, he usually out-smarted the other coach when given a LOT of time to prepare. After the 1st game of the year I always though "This is it! We finally have a good team!" And then it would all fall apart. The problem is he seemed to outsmart himself and his own players to the point that it wasn't smart anymore.



The ending to 2001 was almost as disappointing as the start to 2010.



I wonder how 2001 would have turned out if Staley was healthy....
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Cougy_Monster
byutx wrote:
I haven't read all the responses here, so forgive me if this has been covered.



I still can't believe that we still have fans that don't understand what Bronco means with regard to not emphasizing (or whichever terminology he uses) the other team. For the record:



1-it does not mean they don't watch film (the film that our coaches and players watch is great in terms of quality and quantity-have you not heard the story about how the staff and players are all given dvd's of the next opponent, usually on Saturday night, just a few hours after the game is over?)



2-it does not mean that we don't draw up a game plan based on the other teams' tendencies, abilities and personnel (the opposite is true)


I understand I may have touched a nerve here for some people. I'm not implying that gameplanning is a binary task that's either off or on. There is a spectrum. Teams win and lose games based on execution of good or bad gameplans. Some coaches (like the BSU staff) create performances on occasion after which most fans/commentators in the country agree that the BSU staff simply outplanned, outgamed and outcalled the other team. Lately when BYU wins it usually is because we out-physicalled and out-executed the opponent. That is a product of coaching too, so extreme kudos to Bronco for that.



I know lots will disagree with me, but what I see in our current coaching staff is an unparalleled ability to pull the best out of players. Bronco is the best motivator in college football. The difference between defensive players playing for Hill and Bronco is night and day. What I don't see is a lot of creativity in offensive play calling that can disrupt an opposing defense's execution or get in the head of the defensive coordinator. That's more an issue with Anae than Bronco to be fair. But maybe after watching film Anae honestly says to himself, "The best thing we can do this week is the same thing we did last week because gosh darnit we're good at it."



I'll be honest, when Anae has called plays like the direct snap to Harvey on the goal line or a deep out on 4th and 1 I get all giddy inside thinking he's finally let his hair down (bad visual) and opened the playbook a little. Then I come back to reality.
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Cougarfan87
Gameplanning and working on your own execution are not mutually exclusive. You find out which of your plays are going to work best against a particular opponent and then you practice them to perfection. So yes, Bronco gameplans, but he does so by focusing on how his offense can be successful against TCU's defense and how his defense can be successful against TCU's offense within the realm of offensive and defensive formations and plays in existence. It is too late to come up with new stuff for an opponent, only practice it a few times, and expect to have great execution during the game. My guess is that is what Bronco means by we work on ourselves not the other team.
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redneckjedi
Cougarfan87 wrote:
Gameplanning and working on your own execution are not mutually exclusive. You find out which of your plays are going to work best against a particular opponent and then you practice them to perfection. So yes, Bronco gameplans, but he does so by focusing on how his offense can be successful against TCU's defense and how his defense can be successful against TCU's offense within the realm of offensive and defensive formations and plays in existence. It is too late to come up with new stuff for an opponent, only practice it a few times, and expect to have great execution during the game. My guess is that is what Bronco means by we work on ourselves not the other team.


I wish we had been better at this recently. Frankly, I expected them to have it figured out last year, after the 2008 debacle, and for whatever reason, they didn't. It feels like Patterson can read Anae like a book. A shocking plot twist would be most welcome.
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blue42
I think the biggest thing to this whole debate is on the offensive side of the ball. With Anae calling the shots I have seen very little with adjustments being made during the game. I am not saying it hasn't happened, but for the most part it almost seems like he is afraid to do something different even if it isn't working to begin with.
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Cougarfan87
blue42 wrote:
I think the biggest thing to this whole debate is on the offensive side of the ball. With Anae calling the shots I have seen very little with adjustments being made during the game. I am not saying it hasn't happened, but for the most part it almost seems like he is afraid to do something different even if it isn't working to begin with.


I concur that second half adjustments have been a real problem for some time.
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Gunk
blue42 wrote:
I think the biggest thing to this whole debate is on the offensive side of the ball. With Anae calling the shots I have seen very little with adjustments being made during the game. I am not saying it hasn't happened, but for the most part it almost seems like he is afraid to do something different even if it isn't working to begin with.


2nd half adjustments are completely different from game-planning the week prior.



Anae sucks at deviating from the plan he came up with and worked on the week prior. His ability to think on the fly is fairly non-existent. He's like a deer in the headlights when his ingenious game-plan suddenly doesn't work and rather than try to counter the attacks he resolves to "stick to the game-plan."



I think the majority of peoples' complaints when it comes to preparing for opponents can actually be traced to poor in-game adjustments, primarily with Anae rather than Bronco not preparing his team.



As far as not being more "creative," when was the last time BYU faked a field goal other than last week's game?
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blue42
Gunk wrote:
I think the biggest thing to this whole debate is on the offensive side of the ball. With Anae calling the shots I have seen very little with adjustments being made during the game. I am not saying it hasn't happened, but for the most part it almost seems like he is afraid to do something different even if it isn't working to begin with.


2nd half adjustments are completely different from game-planning the week prior.



Anae sucks at deviating from the plan he came up with and worked on the week prior. His ability to think on the fly is fairly non-existent. He's like a deer in the headlights when his ingenious game-plan suddenly doesn't work and rather than try to counter the attacks he resolves to "stick to the game-plan."



I think the majority of peoples' complaints when it comes to preparing for opponents can actually be traced to poor in-game adjustments, primarily with Anae rather than Bronco not preparing his team.



As far as not being more "creative," when was the last time BYU faked a field goal other than last week's game?


This is exactly what I mean, the on the fly adjustments do not happen and that has always been a huge sore spot for me.



I loved the fake field goal attempt and I was going to bring this up. I got the impression it was all Bronco that wanted to do it and gave the green light at that time because it met the criteria they were looking for to try the play. Bronco's comments left me to believe it was something he wanted to do. It is almost ironic we have done a 180 from too complicatied Crowton to too afraid Anae.
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byutx
Funny how the staff was crucified after the Falsev punting fiasco. That play was a direct result of one of Nevada's tendencies that the staff picked up on while watching game film.
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BroncoBot
byutx wrote:
Funny how the staff was crucified after the Falsev punting fiasco. That play was a direct result of one of Nevada's tendencies that the staff picked up on while watching game film.

Seriously, it's just one of those years that EVERYthing is going to be criticized. Catch-22 for the coaches as far as their relationship with fans goes.
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blue42
declocoug wrote:
Funny how the staff was crucified after the Falsev punting fiasco. That play was a direct result of one of Nevada's tendencies that the staff picked up on while watching game film.

Seriously, it's just one of those years that EVERYthing is going to be criticized. Catch-22 for the coaches as far as their relationship with fans goes.


is this your prediction on how many catches the receivers will have for the rest of the year?
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BroncoBot
blue42 wrote:
byutx wrote:
Funny how the staff was crucified after the Falsev punting fiasco. That play was a direct result of one of Nevada's tendencies that the staff picked up on while watching game film.

Seriously, it's just one of those years that EVERYthing is going to be criticized. Catch-22 for the coaches as far as their relationship with fans goes.


is this your prediction on how many catches the receivers will have for the rest of the year?

Hopefully. That would mean that that BYU is putting their RBs to good use.
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Guest
Bronco is one of the BEST coaches in the country, because of his coaching philosophies. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't recognize the genius we have at coach right now.
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Cougy_Monster
hawkwing wrote:
Bronco is one of the BEST coaches in the country, because of his coaching philosophies. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't recognize the genius we have at coach right now.



There is not a single coach in the country I would trade for Bronco. He is exactly what we need.



Do you think his coaching philosophies, skills and techniques are as good as they'll ever get? We've seen already this year that he is learning on the job just like everybody else, and he's showing us he's a fast learner and even faster to implement his will (eg changes after USU).



Why would you feel sorry for someone (actually a lot of people) who hope that Bronco will continue to improve as a coach, especially in the area of outplanning and outscheming talented opponents? I don't think he's bad at it, just not the best in the country at that specific aspect of coaching. He is the best in the country for motivating and creating team cohesiveness, which is why I have so much hope for how this young team will come together and blow up opponents by next year.



Also, after some thought I'm pretty sure my beef is actually with Anae's rigidity and inability to fluidly scheme since he apparently has full reign over the offense. I don't see any problem with defensive schemes when Bronco is calling the plays.



The best thing that will happen to the Cougars all season regardless of when we win or lose will be that Bronco is back in charge of the defense.
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snoscythe
I don't read Bronco's comments to mean that he doesn't gameplan for opponents. I read them to say that that is all he does--he watches film, puts together a gameplan, and from that point on, his focus is on the gameplan and getting the players the play at their best within that plan. If a coach is worrying about the opponent all week and tweaking his gameplan on Thursday evening, the team doesn't have time to get those tweaks down in practice.



That's all I think he's saying--he looks at the opponent and builds his plan, but from that point on he focuses on what his players will be doing and getting them to perform as best they can within that plan.
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