Ashworthless?

storminmormon wrote:
For three straight weeks now Ashworth has really stepped up his game. He was outstanding today and it looks like he has an extra gear out on the field now.



He certainly had disappointing moments during the first half of the season, but he has stepped it up big time as of late.



What I'm getting at is that I saw several references on the board calling him as 'Ashworthless' when the team was going through the tough spell. There were those who said he should never see the field again. It's great to see that he's persevered and proved his critics wrong.



For all those that were were disparaging him in that way, I hope you can now man up and offer him an apology. His re-emergence should be a great lesson to us that we shouldn't be so quick to write off players.

Totally agree - I am apalled at the disrespect heaped on players and coaches while this young team developed and matured. If this turnaround continues, much character has been built that will provide leadership in 2011. I am totally ok with constructive and balanced critique of player performance but have really been bothered by emotional over reaction and disparagement of individuals character.



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storminmormon wrote:

For 2/3s of the season he's Ashworthless, for 1/3 he is Ashworth. I'd prefer a whole 3/3 of the latter 1/3.





So now I'll turn my attention to others: Jacobson is Jacobdaughter, playing like a...he did have some presence today, but leadership not where I thought it'd be.

I always love to see fans who have never suited up a down in college football call our players worthless and pansies. These guys are incredible athletes just to be worthy to suit up on gameday with the BYU uniform. I'd love to see you line up against Ashworth or Jacobson and see who gets completely worked. I'm sure anyone who would be a witness to that matchup could decisively say who really plays like a woman.

Totally agree



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Ddawg wrote:

YBrit wrote:
For 2/3s of the season he's Ashworthless, for 1/3 he is Ashworth. I'd prefer a whole 3/3 of the latter 1/3.





So now I'll turn my attention to others: Jacobson is Jacobdaughter, playing like a...he did have some presence today, but leadership not where I thought it'd be.

I always love to see fans who have never suited up a down in college football call our players worthless and pansies. These guys are incredible athletes just to be worthy to suit up on gameday with the BYU uniform. I'd love to see you line up against Ashworth or Jacobson and see who gets completely worked. I'm sure anyone who would be a witness to that matchup could decisively say who really plays like a woman.

+1!!!! On point.

+1



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BlueIsBetter wrote:
Anyone that quits on their routes doesn't earn my respect and doesn't deserve to see the field. He has been given a chance to show differently, and has done so. He has earned my respect and his time on the field. I am not going to take anything back, because he quit on me before I quit on him.



Don't let a few good games - one of them being stellat - let you forget that he was giving up on routes and dropping anything thrown his way. Like BYU he has had 2 halves. Ashworthless, and AshWorth more than his weight in gold.





I am elated to see him do well. We need him to play like this. And I hope he continues like this.

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If Heaps keeps throwing with his consistency of the last two games it will continue, everyone will continue to look better, and if they double or triple Ashworth, someone else will be open and Hesps will hit them.



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snoscythe wrote:

Anyone that quits on their routes doesn't earn my respect and doesn't deserve to see the field. He has been given a chance to show differently, and has done so. He has earned my respect and his time on the field. I am not going to take anything back, because he quit on me before I quit on him.



Don't let a few good games - one of them being stellat - let you forget that he was giving up on routes and dropping anything thrown his way. Like BYU he has had 2 halves. Ashworthless, and AshWorth more than his weight in gold.





I am elated to see him do well. We need him to play like this. And I hope he continues like this.

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Unless, of course, the guy who didn't look good for 2/3 of the season had 5 stars. ;)

He responded that Heaps never quit - forgetting how Heaps just stood there and watched the linebacker run the Pick 6 right past him without even a feeble attempt to dive at his ankles. I am not attempting to rain on Jake here - but to agree with you that some posters talk out of both ends



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Not to take away from Ashworth, and I did not see the game, but was he making circus catches of balls he managed to get a hand or two on after twisting and contorting and leaping, or was Heaps throwing spot on the money.



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Cougarbib2 wrote:
Not to take away from Ashworth, and I did not see the game, but was he making circus catches of balls he managed to get a hand or two on after twisting and contorting and leaping, or was Heaps throwing spot on the money.



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Twice, Ashworth leapt high in the end zone to grab a pass over defenders. Also, Heaps had threaded the needle. So those were great plays for both of them. Once, Luke caught another end zone pass with fully out-stretched arms, snagging it with his hands, and on the run. Luke went from total lack-luster to superstar in the last three games. But this does not take anything away from Heaps, who was phenomenally accurate and nearly flawless.



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I admit that I wrote Ashworth off after USU. I played enough football (and played enough of that position) to know a guy that was breaking off routes, not going up for balls, and not selling out for catches.



Something has clicked, this kid had some sort of football epiphany and he's a new man. I couldn't be happier. My problem from day 1 with these seniors (including Ashworth) was a lack of leadership, no one had taken the bull by the horns and we floundered til underclass guys like Ogletree and others decided to assert themselves. This is one of the biggest reasons for optimism next year; we'll have leadership.



I still think that OC had a cancerous attitude and it rubbed off on the other receivers. I don't think they liked being there + having him trying to be the star of the show everday and at his best couldn't outproduce them when they weren't giving 50%.

BTW I think that it is a stupid argument to say you can't criticize someone for their play on the field if they could beat you in the game of football. He's being paid to play football he'd BETTER be able to beat others. If my home builder built my house crappy, could his defense to my lawsuit be I built it better than you would have?



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Completely disagree with the initial post. I and many others were wrong in thinking that he didn't have the stones to man up and focus. But anyone calling for him to be benched was completely justified. The kid was playing without heart and he had zero focus. Luke Ashworth has played awesomely as of late and I am pumped. That doesn't change the fact that he was ashworthless for the first several games nor does it even approach atoning for those mistakes and lack of heart.



The same logic applies to Robert Anae, except it should be magnified because he is the coach. His poor decisionmaking and lack of respect from players cannot be overlooked. I am convinced that under anae we will never surpass what we did in 2006 and 2009. We need to move on and get better to match the coaching talent with the player talent we have and will continue to pick up.

Let me add that from what I have heard (and as it appears to have been confirmed by the way the two interact) that Ashworth dislikes heaps and was a big riley nelson camper. That explains a lot of what I think was an obvious lack of trying and caring over the first part of the season.

Cougarbib2 wrote:

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Anyone that quits on their routes doesn't earn my respect and doesn't deserve to see the field. He has been given a chance to show differently, and has done so. He has earned my respect and his time on the field. I am not going to take anything back, because he quit on me before I quit on him.



Don't let a few good games - one of them being stellat - let you forget that he was giving up on routes and dropping anything thrown his way. Like BYU he has had 2 halves. Ashworthless, and AshWorth more than his weight in gold.





I am elated to see him do well. We need him to play like this. And I hope he continues like this.

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Unless, of course, the guy who didn't look good for 2/3 of the season had 5 stars. ;)

He responded that Heaps never quit - forgetting how Heaps just stood there and watched the linebacker run the Pick 6 right past him without even a feeble attempt to dive at his ankles. I am not attempting to rain on Jake here - but to agree with you that some posters talk out of both ends



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Yes, you are. That is all you have done. Now that he has had two incredible games, including the highest QB rating ever for a freshman QB at BYU, and the 8th highest rating ever for a BYU QB, you just can't seem to give it a rest.



Dude, it is getting really old and you are making yourself look foolish. The vast majority of people on this board have acknowledged that the whole team has had major issues, from the coaches down through the players. You, on the other hand, seem to almost be inventing ways to continue to mock Heaps and blame him for every problem BYU has had.



Give it a rest. You are looking foolish and small minded, almost as though you want him to fail. Strange and sad really.

byutx wrote:
Completely disagree with the initial post. I and many others were wrong in thinking that he didn't have the stones to man up and focus. But anyone calling for him to be benched was completely justified. The kid was playing without heart and he had zero focus. Luke Ashworth has played awesomely as of late and I am pumped. That doesn't change the fact that he was ashworthless for the first several games nor does it even approach atoning for those mistakes and lack of heart.



The same logic applies to Robert Anae, except it should be magnified because he is the coach. His poor decisionmaking and lack of respect from players cannot be overlooked. I am convinced that under anae we will never surpass what we did in 2006 and 2009. We need to move on and get better to match the coaching talent with the player talent we have and will continue to pick up.

I can forgive Luke for the 1st half of the season, in fact, I'll bet it was easy as a receiver to pick Riley as your guy when you're 5 yrs older than Heaps and the guy that didnt' get along with the other receivers (Oneill Chambers) had hand picked Jake. OC has been hammering Ashworth and Jacobson the last yew years in the media and through social networking... how the heck are they going to side with OC on the qb situation when Riley was also an RM, had played the game before and knew how to work?



Did he and Jacobson suck the 1st half? yes... no doubt .. what's different? Well for one OC isn't there, for 2 Riley isn't either. I don't know what caused this epiphany, but I like it and I like that he's helped us all see the light on Heaps. Maybe it could have happened sooner, but whatever, it happened and we have salvaged our season, thanks in part to Luke Ashworth.



As for Anae, I think the x factor there is brandon doman and jake heaps. If they are so comfortable with this offense that Anae either has to listen or Jake can read the field well enough to audible into the correct play (Max Hall-esque), then a so-so OC can still work. (Look what LSU does with Crowton). Jake can learn to be the offensive coordinator on the field, much like Max was.



There's no doubt that the spread fits our talent and what our oline is good at. There's no doubt that Jake Heaps is as talented as any qb we've had since Steve Young. What we have yet to see, is how those 2 (heaps and anae) do against a decent team on the road. We'll find out soon in SLC and in our bowl game if these guys have really figured it out or if we just mindlessly outtalented CSU and UNLV.

My opinion is my opinion until it changes. Luke was ashworthless for 7 games of the season. He's been lights out the last three. He changed my opinion of him. He was worthy of the criticism. He is now worthy of praise.

kitic77 wrote:
My opinion is my opinion until it changes. Luke was ashworthless for 7 games of the season. He's been lights out the last three. He changed my opinion of him. He was worthy of the criticism. He is now worthy of praise.

Thanks for saying what I intended to say but in far fewer sentences.

craigoscarson wrote:

Completely disagree with the initial post. I and many others were wrong in thinking that he didn't have the stones to man up and focus. But anyone calling for him to be benched was completely justified. The kid was playing without heart and he had zero focus. Luke Ashworth has played awesomely as of late and I am pumped. That doesn't change the fact that he was ashworthless for the first several games nor does it even approach atoning for those mistakes and lack of heart.



The same logic applies to Robert Anae, except it should be magnified because he is the coach. His poor decisionmaking and lack of respect from players cannot be overlooked. I am convinced that under anae we will never surpass what we did in 2006 and 2009. We need to move on and get better to match the coaching talent with the player talent we have and will continue to pick up.

Did he and Jacobson suck the 1st half? yes... no doubt .. what's different? Well for one OC isn't there, for 2 Riley isn't either. I don't know what caused this epiphany...

Bronco called out several players by name, including and especially Luke Ashworth, and basically told them he would bench them and even yank their scholarships if they didn't turn it around.

byutx wrote:
Let me add that from what I have heard (and as it appears to have been confirmed by the way the two interact) that Ashworth dislikes heaps and was a big riley nelson camper. That explains a lot of what I think was an obvious lack of trying and caring over the first part of the season.

Maybe that is what made Heaps keep throwing behind, over, under, and everywhere but in front of him. I heard that after those 4 throws yesterday that were all well thrown and in front of Ashworth that they kissed and made up.



To suggest that a receiver would make himself look bad and go out looking like a wank because he liked QB A better than QB B is ludicrous - especially after QB A had a season ending injury in Week 3.



Give it up Tex. The defense is better now, blocking much improved, running game kicking butt, and far weaker competition - and did I mention that Heaps has settled down and is throwing mire consistently to the right placement with all of his receivers.





A rising tide lifts all boats. Enjoy the ride. Bitterness can spoil a sweet ride.



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byutx wrote:
Let me add that from what I have heard (and as it appears to have been confirmed by the way the two interact) that Ashworth dislikes heaps and was a big riley nelson camper. That explains a lot of what I think was an obvious lack of trying and caring over the first part of the season.

I wonder what Ashworth thinks of Heaps now.



Does he really think that Nelson could have perfectly thrown all four of those passes to him the way Heaps did? :lol:

northerncougar wrote:

He responded that Heaps never quit - forgetting how Heaps just stood there and watched the linebacker run the Pick 6 right past him without even a feeble attempt to dive at his ankles. I am not attempting to rain on Jake here - but to agree with you that some posters talk out of both ends



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Yes, you are. That is all you have done. Now that he has had two incredible games, including the highest QB rating ever for a freshman QB at BYU, and the 8th highest rating ever for a BYU QB, you just can't seem to give it a rest.



Dude, it is getting really old and you are making yourself look foolish. The vast majority of people on this board have acknowledged that the whole team has had major issues, from the coaches down through the players. You, on the other hand, seem to almost be inventing ways to continue to mock Heaps and blame him for every problem BYU has had.



Give it a rest. You are looking foolish and small minded, almost as though you want him to fail. Strange and sad really.

^ This ^

Cougarbib2 wrote:

Let me add that from what I have heard (and as it appears to have been confirmed by the way the two interact) that Ashworth dislikes heaps and was a big riley nelson camper. That explains a lot of what I think was an obvious lack of trying and caring over the first part of the season.

Maybe that is what made Heaps keep throwing behind, over, under, and everywhere but in front of him.





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Holy crap... now you are even suggesting that Heaps was PURPOSELY throwing poor passes to Ashworth?



You have just crossed the line from "fan I disagree with" to "troll."



This is getting ridiculous...