From the sidelines

Cougarbib2 wrote:

The refs called a good game, except for two instances. They called it consistently. They let both teams play tough, physical defense. In previous games against UNLV, it seemed that BYU wasn't allowed to play the same style UNLV did. They were last night.



The two instances I thought they officiated poorly was the elbow/technical. That player should have been ejected and should still be suspended for multiple games.



The other was the technical. Calling a T on the bench is weak sauce. Give it to the head coach. He's the man in charge. It's his bench. He should control it.

I thought calls were uneven early inside - ticky tacky on BYU inside but letting UNLV hack away. But BYU's game moved to a higher percentage of outside shooting and officiating evened out.



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I disagree a little. BYU's bigs just plain and simple don't know how to defend without fouling. They have a hard time establishing their man high, on the low block. Meaning - they just let him waltz right up to the basket, and turn around to post. If your guy is taller than 6'8" and has the ball within 8 feet of the hoop, either he is going to score, or you are going to foul him. Sometimes both.



The pushing and shoving needs to begin at the free throw line, unless you plan on fronting the pass. A ref hardly ever calls the foul, he calls the "position" of the defender in relation to the player. Not being critical of our bigs, they are doing a fine job. But that is the reason we give up so many offensive rebounds, even blocking out... we let them down low, and they are normally taller than us anyways. Or our "tall" guys are a step slower.



And that is the reason the playcalling seems lopsided sometimes, even when it's not.

Jimmer this year: 25.1 ppg, 47.6 FG%, 39.2 3p%, 87.6 FT%, 4.4 astpg, 1.54 A/T, 1.4 steal pg, 3.4 rpg

Tre'Von this year: 11.5 ppg, 41.0 FG%, 27.3 3p%, 82.9 FT%, 3.4 astpg, 1.16 A/T, 1.4 steal pg, 3.4 rpg



Jimmer career: 16.4 ppg, 46.0 FG%, 39.2 3p%, 87.5 FT%, 3.6 astpg, 1.61 A/T, 1.2 spg, 2.5 rpg

Tre'Von career: 11.7 ppg, 43.1 FG%, 30.5 3p%, 80.0 FT%, 2.9 astpg, 1.3 A/T, 1.0 spg, 3.5 rpg



So Tre'Von has a slight edge in career rebounds per game. He's a decent player, but not even in the same league as Jimmer.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

kitic77 wrote:
The refs called a good game, except for two instances. They called it consistently. They let both teams play tough, physical defense. In previous games against UNLV, it seemed that BYU wasn't allowed to play the same style UNLV did. They were last night.



The two instances I thought they officiated poorly was the elbow/technical. That player should have been ejected and should still be suspended for multiple games.



The other was the technical. Calling a T on the bench is weak sauce. Give it to the head coach. He's the man in charge. It's his bench. He should control it.

I thought calls were uneven early inside - ticky tacky on BYU inside but letting UNLV hack away. But BYU's game moved to a higher percentage of outside shooting and officiating evened out.



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I disagree a little. BYU's bigs just plain and simple don't know how to defend without fouling. They have a hard time establishing their man high, on the low block. Meaning - they just let him waltz right up to the basket, and turn around to post. If your guy is taller than 6'8" and has the ball within 8 feet of the hoop, either he is going to score, or you are going to foul him. Sometimes both.



The pushing and shoving needs to begin at the free throw line, unless you plan on fronting the pass. A ref hardly ever calls the foul, he calls the "position" of the defender in relation to the player. Not being critical of our bigs, they are doing a fine job. But that is the reason we give up so many offensive rebounds, even blocking out... we let them down low, and they are normally taller than us anyways. Or our "tall" guys are a step slower.



And that is the reason the playcalling seems lopsided sometimes, even when it's not.

Nice observations. Noticed we got beat time and time again on the base line whether by their center or forwards. UNLV could have gone at us all night long at the base line if they wanted. Some of that had to do with BYU not doing a good job of closing off the base line and some of it had to do with UNLV just plain over powering our bigs under the backboard.

Gunk wrote:
Nice observations. Noticed we got beat time and time again on the base line whether by their center or forwards. UNLV could have gone at us all night long at the base line if they wanted. Some of that had to do with BYU not doing a good job of closing off the base line and some of it had to do with UNLV just plain over powering our bigs under the backboard.

Yep, we had no answer for their bigs. I smiled each time UNLV shot from the outside. Just keep jacking up those low-percentage shots from lower-percentage shooters. Heaven forbid they keep pounding it down low where they had success.

kitic77 wrote:
Jimmer this year: 25.1 ppg, 47.6 FG%, 39.2 3p%, 87.6 FT%, 4.4 astpg, 1.54 A/T, 1.4 steal pg, 3.4 rpg

Tre'Von this year: 11.5 ppg, 41.0 FG%, 27.3 3p%, 82.9 FT%, 3.4 astpg, 1.16 A/T, 1.4 steal pg, 3.4 rpg



Jimmer career: 16.4 ppg, 46.0 FG%, 39.2 3p%, 87.5 FT%, 3.6 astpg, 1.61 A/T, 1.2 spg, 2.5 rpg

Tre'Von career: 11.7 ppg, 43.1 FG%, 30.5 3p%, 80.0 FT%, 2.9 astpg, 1.3 A/T, 1.0 spg, 3.5 rpg



So Tre'Von has a slight edge in career rebounds per game. He's a decent player, but not even in the same league as Jimmer.

No, but you don't get it Kitic. Choker's main threat is his ability to "lockdown" opposing guards... like take Jimmer for example, there is no way he will let Jimmer score more than 30.



"Supposedly" he is one of the best in the league at doing this.



;)

BlueIsBetter wrote:

Jimmer this year: 25.1 ppg, 47.6 FG%, 39.2 3p%, 87.6 FT%, 4.4 astpg, 1.54 A/T, 1.4 steal pg, 3.4 rpg

Tre'Von this year: 11.5 ppg, 41.0 FG%, 27.3 3p%, 82.9 FT%, 3.4 astpg, 1.16 A/T, 1.4 steal pg, 3.4 rpg



Jimmer career: 16.4 ppg, 46.0 FG%, 39.2 3p%, 87.5 FT%, 3.6 astpg, 1.61 A/T, 1.2 spg, 2.5 rpg

Tre'Von career: 11.7 ppg, 43.1 FG%, 30.5 3p%, 80.0 FT%, 2.9 astpg, 1.3 A/T, 1.0 spg, 3.5 rpg



So Tre'Von has a slight edge in career rebounds per game. He's a decent player, but not even in the same league as Jimmer.

No, but you don't get it Kitic. Choker's main threat is his ability to "lockdown" opposing guards... like take Jimmer for example, there is no way he will let Jimmer score more than 30.



"Supposedly" he is one of the best in the league at doing this.



;)

Look, Tre'Von has said something to the effect that had his teammates guarded Jimmer better he (Jimmer) wouldn't have gone off like that. Of course, Tre'Von could have guarded Jimmer, but he was too busy shutting Jackson Emery down.



Wait, strike that, never mind. Jax was 6-9 from three point land and scored 22 points. So I'm not sure what Tre'Von was contributing defensively, if anything.

kitic77 wrote:
Look, Tre'Von has said something to the effect that had his teammates guarded Jimmer better he (Jimmer) wouldn't have gone off like that. Of course, Tre'Von could have guarded Jimmer, but he was too busy shutting Jackson Emery down.



Wait, strike that, never mind. Jax was 6-9 from three point land and scored 22 points. So I'm not sure what Tre'Von was contributing defensively, if anything.

Let me get this right. He plays guard. BYU's Dynamic Duo guards put up 61 against UNLV and Tre'Von throws his other players under the bus???? If his teammates get wind of that I could see some "friendly fire" his way. What a douche.