Air Force Thread

BPcougs wrote:
Im sure im overreacting, but it just seems like they are being ball hogs, i remember one play were Davies is calling for the ball in the post and emery looks at him and then passes to jimmer. Give him the ball and let him go to the hoop. You cant shoot 30 3's a game, they arent going to go down like at UNLV every time. Im definitely glad for the W but i dont understand the 3 point shoot outs every game.

I've been saying this for 3 years now. Rose just doesn't trust the post game for some reason. And you're right you can't bank on 3 pt shooting every game. I know we have elite shooters, but in the tourney we need a presence down low against elite teams. We need to be running an offense that gets Davies 10-15 touches per game by default. Sometimes he does but usually that's not happening. It's a shame he doesn't get the ball more. However, it's hard to complain with the big wins we've been getting because of our shooting prowess.

BPcougs wrote:
Im sure im overreacting, but it just seems like they are being ball hogs, i remember one play were Davies is calling for the ball in the post and emery looks at him and then passes to jimmer. Give him the ball and let him go to the hoop. You cant shoot 30 3's a game, they arent going to go down like at UNLV every time. Im definitely glad for the W but i dont understand the 3 point shoot outs every game.

Davies is money down low lately. Against UNLV he scored just about every time he touched the ball. As Mizzou said, for some reason Rose just doesn't like to go inside.

Gunk wrote:

Im sure im overreacting, but it just seems like they are being ball hogs, i remember one play were Davies is calling for the ball in the post and emery looks at him and then passes to jimmer. Give him the ball and let him go to the hoop. You cant shoot 30 3's a game, they arent going to go down like at UNLV every time. Im definitely glad for the W but i dont understand the 3 point shoot outs every game.

Davies is money down low lately. Against UNLV he scored just about every time he touched the ball. As Mizzou said, for some reason Rose just doesn't like to go inside.

The ideal set up would be for the ball to go into Davies, get double teamed, and find a wide open Jimmer, Noah, or Jackson. No arguments here. My favorite 2 teams do that in the NBA, and that is why they are my favorites. But Davies hasn't been in the games enough to allow an offense to flow through him, and - frankly - none of the other big guys are good with their back to the basket (with the exception of Collinsworth, and that sweet spin move that he has gone away from lately...)



So I agree with you guys on premise, but not on substance. Meaning, I agree that we need to go through the middle. But we also need to have a middle presence, or else it is just a wasted posession. It is no surprise that we went to him early, and then when he started getting in foul trouble we went away from him. The guy played less than half the game as a starter. You honestly can't expect him to be the center of attention when he finally gets back into the game. He is letting his teammates down by not being on the floor. I'll say it again. He is letting his teammates down by not being on the floor. It is natural to not want to pass the ball to someone that hasn't been there for half the entire game when you are sweating it out play after play. As Davies' fouls go down (I don't mind hard fouls - Davies picks up stupid fouls), his mins will go up, and his offensive chemistry will get better. Just look at the games he hasn't been in foul trouble... That is what is possible once he gets his head around defensive positioning, and being smart with your body.

Emery was 2-11 yesterday, every one of them was a 3. Thats ridiculous.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

BPcougs wrote:
Im sure im overreacting, but it just seems like they are being ball hogs, i remember one play were Davies is calling for the ball in the post and emery looks at him and then passes to jimmer. Give him the ball and let him go to the hoop. You cant shoot 30 3's a game, they arent going to go down like at UNLV every time. Im definitely glad for the W but i dont understand the 3 point shoot outs every game.

Davies is money down low lately. Against UNLV he scored just about every time he touched the ball. As Mizzou said, for some reason Rose just doesn't like to go inside.

The ideal set up would be for the ball to go into Davies, get double teamed, and find a wide open Jimmer, Noah, or Jackson. No arguments here. My favorite 2 teams do that in the NBA, and that is why they are my favorites. But Davies hasn't been in the games enough to allow an offense to flow through him, and - frankly - none of the other big guys are good with their back to the basket (with the exception of Collinsworth, and that sweet spin move that he has gone away from lately...)



So I agree with you guys on premise, but not on substance. Meaning, I agree that we need to go through the middle. But we also need to have a middle presence, or else it is just a wasted posession. It is no surprise that we went to him early, and then when he started getting in foul trouble we went away from him. The guy played less than half the game as a starter. You honestly can't expect him to be the center of attention when he finally gets back into the game. He is letting his teammates down by not being on the floor. I'll say it again. He is letting his teammates down by not being on the floor. It is natural to not want to pass the ball to someone that hasn't been there for half the entire game when you are sweating it out play after play. As Davies' fouls go down (I don't mind hard fouls - Davies picks up stupid fouls), his mins will go up, and his offensive chemistry will get better. Just look at the games he hasn't been in foul trouble... That is what is possible once he gets his head around defensive positioning, and being smart with your body.

I see what you're saying. But, we know the double is coming on Jimmer, usually it's a guard and forward. Teams won't ditch Emery to double Jimmer. They'll ditch either KC or Noah. As soon as the help comes Jimmer needs to pass it inside to Davies. If the defense doubles up on Davies Noah or KC need to cut behind because whoever was guarding them left to go pick up Jimmer and then more than likely went to go help on Davies.



Use the strategy teams will try in order to contain Jimmer to our advantage. Jimmer, IMO, needs to do a better job exploiting the attention he gets. When that high screen comes from Noah or Davies, they need to cut strait to the basket and Jimmer needs to pass it right to them. Unfortunately, Jimmer tends to hold onto it.

If the double comes from KC or Noah's man the correct pass is NOT to Davies, but to KC or Noah. That's who is open. Davies is still guarded. What needs to happen is KC needs to start hitting from the outside and getting to the rim and drawing fouls. He's not doing that.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
frankly - none of the other big guys are good with their back to the basket (with the exception of Collinsworth, and that sweet spin move that he has gone away from lately...)

Sorry, that's not accurate. Davies entire arsenal is built on his back to the basket game, and he is very proficient there. I don't know which Collinsworth you're referring to but it doesn't matter--neither of them have that kind of game or anything resembling what BD brings to the game. Davies is our only consistent threat in the paint.

mizzoucoug wrote:

frankly - none of the other big guys are good with their back to the basket (with the exception of Collinsworth, and that sweet spin move that he has gone away from lately...)

Sorry, that's not accurate. Davies entire arsenal is built on his back to the basket game, and he is very proficient there. I don't know which Collinsworth you're referring to but it doesn't matter--neither of them have that kind of game or anything resembling what BD brings to the game. Davies is our only consistent threat in the paint.

That's exactly what I said... LOL. Slow down and read ;)



"But Davies hasn't been in the games enough to allow an offense to flow through him, and - frankly - none of the other big guys are good with their back to the basket..."



meaning that he is our only back to the basket threat, but hasn't been in the games long enough to establish anything consistent.



LoL.

BPcougs wrote:
Emery was 2-11 yesterday, every one of them was a 3. Thats ridiculous.

11 3's is bad... I agree. I think we need a down low presence though. Emery doesn't typically step inside the 3 line, and with Davies out the entire game, who does that come from? Nobody. So we jack 3's...

BlueIsBetter wrote:

Emery was 2-11 yesterday, every one of them was a 3. Thats ridiculous.

11 3's is bad... I agree. I think we need a down low presence though. Emery doesn't typically step inside the 3 line, and with Davies out the entire game, who does that come from? Nobody. So we jack 3's...

Even Noah has added a 3-point shot to his arsenal. On this team, if you want the ball and want to score points you have to have a three point shot.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

BlueIsBetter wrote:
frankly - none of the other big guys are good with their back to the basket (with the exception of Collinsworth, and that sweet spin move that he has gone away from lately...)

Sorry, that's not accurate. Davies entire arsenal is built on his back to the basket game, and he is very proficient there. I don't know which Collinsworth you're referring to but it doesn't matter--neither of them have that kind of game or anything resembling what BD brings to the game. Davies is our only consistent threat in the paint.

That's exactly what I said... LOL. Slow down and read ;)



"But Davies hasn't been in the games enough to allow an offense to flow through him, and - frankly - none of the other big guys are good with their back to the basket..."



meaning that he is our only back to the basket threat, but hasn't been in the games long enough to establish anything consistent.



LoL.

My bad. Long day. I think I passed out a half hour after I posted and was out til 7 this morning.

mizzoucoug wrote:

mizzoucoug wrote:

frankly - none of the other big guys are good with their back to the basket (with the exception of Collinsworth, and that sweet spin move that he has gone away from lately...)

Sorry, that's not accurate. Davies entire arsenal is built on his back to the basket game, and he is very proficient there. I don't know which Collinsworth you're referring to but it doesn't matter--neither of them have that kind of game or anything resembling what BD brings to the game. Davies is our only consistent threat in the paint.

That's exactly what I said... LOL. Slow down and read ;)



"But Davies hasn't been in the games enough to allow an offense to flow through him, and - frankly - none of the other big guys are good with their back to the basket..."



meaning that he is our only back to the basket threat, but hasn't been in the games long enough to establish anything consistent.



LoL.

My bad. Long day. I think I passed out a half hour after I posted and was out til 7 this morning.

No worries. It gave me a laugh. I was confused for a minute or two... :lol: :D :lol:

Brandon Davies 4th foul?



Came in at 19 mins.



Told ya so...