Brandon Davies and away crowds (USU in particular)

Mars wrote:


Both BYU and BYU fans are lucky that they don't know the full story about Brandon, or he probably wouldn't still be playing here and many of you probably wouldn't be rooting for him. Then again, you might not be as big a fan of BYU if you knew the things that they required him to do to rejoin the team either. A truly sad and disappointing situation all around, and one that both parties are lucky never completely came out in public. His recent quotes to the media... I found disturbing. I can't say anything more. And I have to leave it at that.

This is a very interesting thing to say... if you aren't going to say what was "required" for Brandon to rejoin the team, why say that everybody on the message board should be glad that they don't know about it. What can you possibly know about us that makes you think that we don't like things that you don't like. In other words, haven't we all disagreed with you enough for you to realize that some things that you're OK with bother us, and some things that bother you - we're OK with? What you may call horrible, others may call honorable. Go ahead and say that you didn't like what Brandon may have been "require" to do to rejoin the team if you don't like it, but unless you're going to tell us what it was, you should not be so presumptuous to say that we should be glad that we don't know about it.

Mars wrote:


Both BYU and BYU fans are lucky that they don't know the full story about Brandon, or he probably wouldn't still be playing here and many of you probably wouldn't be rooting for him. Then again, you might not be as big a fan of BYU if you knew the things that they required him to do to rejoin the team either. A truly sad and disappointing situation all around, and one that both parties are lucky never completely came out in public. His recent quotes to the media... I found disturbing. I can't say anything more. And I have to leave it at that.

What Mars says is correct. You don't have to believe it if you don't want...doesn't make it less true.

I have some real dirt on the BYU coaching staff too. And if BYU fans or the administration really knew what was going on, they probably wouldn't still be coaching here and many of you probably wouldn't be rooting for them either. Then again, you might not be as big a fan of BYU if you knew the things the coaches are doing. It's a truly sad and disappointing situation all around and one that requires my silence and the coaches are lucky it will never come out publicly. Some of the things I know are... disturbing. I can't say anything more. I have to leave it at that.

oh brother. Go ahead and believe whatever you want. BYU fans want warm and fuzzy anyway..they don't want the truth. In the end it will come out and then fans will say, crap I believed all that stuff and made all those comments of support and I had no idea what I was talking about. Might as well enjoy it while you can I guess.

saywhat wrote:

Both BYU and BYU fans are lucky that they don't know the full story about Brandon, or he probably wouldn't still be playing here and many of you probably wouldn't be rooting for him. Then again, you might not be as big a fan of BYU if you knew the things that they required him to do to rejoin the team either. A truly sad and disappointing situation all around, and one that both parties are lucky never completely came out in public. His recent quotes to the media... I found disturbing. I can't say anything more. And I have to leave it at that.

What Mars says is correct. You don't have to believe it if you don't want...doesn't make it less true.

What am I not believing? I don't even know what you and Mars are talking about.



I guess we should start the "fire the BYU administration and coaching staff petition" now. Why? Because mars says so.

That's not what he said at all. Some kids don't have to do as much as other kids to get back in. That's what I know to be true. He didn't say fire anyone although people may end up being disappointed in the end. Plus there is lots people don't know, including BYU. All I will say is that the story has not been presented as it is, If you want to think Brandon acted honorably then by all means do so...just understand in the end, you may feel like an idiot.

saywhat wrote:
That's not what he said at all. Some kids don't have to do as much as other kids to get back in. That's what I know to be true. He didn't say fire anyone although people may end up being disappointed in the end. Plus there is lots people don't know, including BYU. All I will say is that the story has not been presented as it is, If you want to think Brandon acted honorably then by all means do so...just understand in the end, you may feel like an idiot.

Why in the world would any one feel like an idiot for not believing some deep dark secret about Davies? There is no evidence of anything out there, other than a few extremely vague comments by anonymous people on the internet.



A wise person doesn't believe every random internet posting or shift in the wind. If further evidence ever comes out then that is the time to evaluate that evidence. Not to guess or blindly believe posts on a message board. Talk about being an idiot.

saywhat wrote:
That's not what he said at all. Some kids don't have to do as much as other kids to get back in. That's what I know to be true. He didn't say fire anyone although people may end up being disappointed in the end. Plus there is lots people don't know, including BYU. All I will say is that the story has not been presented as it is, If you want to think Brandon acted honorably then by all means do so...just understand in the end, you may feel like an idiot.

He didn't tell us what Davies did, he didn't tell us what was required of Davies to return. You and MArs both gave us nothing except this "believe us, we know what we are talking about". Who is your source, how many times did this rumor get passed on before you heard of it. So I'm supposed to just believe that it was unfair? I had a roommate who was kicked out of BYU for a YEAR (Davies was back in less time than that) for sleeping over at a girls apartment. Forgive me if I don't think BYU was unfair with Davies.



My point is, until I know what happened I'm not going to think Davies is a criminal. Mars presented NOTHING except his feelings that Davies AND BYU were bad guys. But I already think his views are wacko sometimes. And if it comes out that Davies did do some horrendous stuff then I'll decide what I think about him. If you want people to believe you present some facts and sources. Otherwise I'd just shut up and let it unfold.

hawkwing and Decocoug I know there is no evidence that you know of...doesn't mean it didn't happen. I told you the exact same thing...when you know more you might feel different. I didn't say you HAVE to believe me. I think that was my same point...davies didn't have to do anything to get back in. I will shut up and let it unfold or else I would have told everything but even that won't matter. Its not warm and fuzzy. My knowledge is first hand. I don't know who Mars is. Probably still not good enough for you guys...

Let's not feed the trolls.

Some posters here have such huge egos, they must fabricate nonsense to appear relevant. Good grief, go away, this kind of insinuation is complete crap.

I'll agree with Mars on that last point - let's just kill this thread. I'm sorry I started it. This board isn't the place to share salacious or incriminating details, and it doesn't look like said details are going to be shared anytime soon anyway. Let's just lock this one up.

Mars wrote:


When I see hawkwing talk about not trusting others, I wonder if he is a liar himself. When I see spiff talking about trolls, I wonder if he spends too much time online trolling (like with his comments here about the coaching staff). Some of you people should know better. But you obviously don't.



As is too typical, some of those on this board are no different/better than many cougarblue or cougarcorner. Making up crap, saying people should be fired, saying people are breaking the law or acting like criminals. The type of posters who would have called me an "idiot" three weeks ago if I had posted that JoPa had done some things Penn State fans would not be happy to learn about. Not disappointing anymore, because it's expected. But still a little low-class. You should definitely know better by now.



Enough of this thread, let it die. I'm not giving specifics, even though both I and saywhat have them- people who don't want to know the truth won't ever receive it anyways. I've said my part, take it or leave it, that's up to you and I don't care. But feel free to continue putting words into other people's mouths.

mars, I hope you don't feel like I'm calling you a liar. Its just hard to “receive the truth” when you haven't given us anything to receive. That's all I'm driving at.

Well USU kept their words with the chants:

"Plan B! Plan B! Plan B! Plan B! Plan B! Plan B! Plan B! Plan B! Plan B!"

and

"Keep your pants on! Keep your pants on! Keep your pants on! Keep your pants on!"

happened to be some of my "favorites."



What a bunch of low-lifes.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Well USU kept their words with the chants:

"Plan B! Plan B! Plan B! Plan B! Plan B! Plan B! Plan B! Plan B! Plan B!"

and

"Keep your pants on! Keep your pants on! Keep your pants on! Keep your pants on!"

happened to be some of my "favorites."



What a bunch of low-lifes.

I think they were also chanting, "Pull out!"



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saywhat wrote:
hawkwing and Decocoug I know there is no evidence that you know of...doesn't mean it didn't happen. I told you the exact same thing...when you know more you might feel different. I didn't say you HAVE to believe me. I think that was my same point...davies didn't have to do anything to get back in. I will shut up and let it unfold or else I would have told everything but even that won't matter. Its not warm and fuzzy. My knowledge is first hand. I don't know who Mars is. Probably still not good enough for you guys...

So by first hand does that mean you're the girl (or guy) that slept with Davies? Or you saw it happen? Otherwise I think it by definition becomes second or third hand knowledge.



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saywhat wrote:
oh brother. Go ahead and believe whatever you want. BYU fans want warm and fuzzy anyway..they don't want the truth.

I am a BYU fan and thus feel compelled to defend myself here. I think you'r being a bit harsh towards fans. Warm and fuzzy certainly is nice, but if given the choice between truth and ignorance I think the vast majority would pick truth, myself included (...the truth shall set you free...).



However, we don't have that choice in this situation and probably shouldn't (certainly wouldn't want my dirty laundry aired for the world to see); so, you can't fault me or any other fan for appearing to side with "warm and fuzzy." The other option wasn't given to us.



Our reaction to you and Mars hinting at more "truth" actually denotes a preference for truth as opposed to warm and fuzzy. No one put their fingers in their ear and started chanting "lalalalalalalalala...don't talk to me...lalalalalalalala..." Instead, they criticized coming on here and hinting at additional information but not spilling. It's like in the 7th grade when someone comes up and says, "Hey, I know a secret about so-and-so, but I'm not telling." If you didn't care about so-and-so and knowing their secrets you'd simply say "who cares" and ignore the messanger. If you cared, you'd say, "Oh really, where did you get this information? You just can't come and tell me you know a secret and walk away."



I think the real question that should be asked is whether knowing the "truth" in this circumstance is of any substantial importance to anyone outside of the Davies' circle. I would say it isn't. I wish Davies, his child, the mother and any other members of the party the best of luck in dealing with this situation. I know it isn't easy.



However, don't mistake mine or anyone elses' lack of prying for disinterest in "truth" or preference for ignorance.

Really Gunk. You know I know what I'm talking about. And yes BYULV first hand is not the right term. But I'm not a friend of a neighbor of a cousin either.



You asked if knowing the truth is important outside of Brandon's circle...Mars answered that "Both BYU and BYU fans are lucky that they don't know the full story about Brandon, or he probably wouldn't still be playing here and many of you probably wouldn't be rooting for him." Right after that you say "I would say it isn't" Okay that's fine.



I won't be answering again. I'm not a troll or have a huge ego. I'm sad, heartbroken, disappointed, and other number of terms, but that doesn't really matter.

saywhat wrote:

I won't be answering again. I'm not a troll or have a huge ego. I'm sad, heartbroken, disappointed, and other number of terms, but that doesn't really matter.

And maybe I would sad, heartbroken, disappointed, and other terms. But if what happened is a secret (and I don't care if I find out), I'm not going to spend my evening crying over something I don't even know.