Obama/Clinton and Libya...W....T.....F

Interesting comment on Libya, from the former head of the CIA's Bin Laden Unit ~



"Meanwhile, Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA's Bin Laden unit, said: "The people we are fighting for in Libya, the backbone of that movement, are former mujahedeen from around the world." We are "enabling people who may not be formally aligned with al-Qaida but who want the same things to grasp ever closer to power."



Scheuer said the media had taken "a few English-speaking Arabs who are pro-democracy and a few Facebook pages out of the Middle East and extrapolated that to a region-wide love of secular democracy," adding, "It is as insane a situation as I've ever encountered in my life."

snoscythe wrote:

Islam means - Peace.

Islam is actually an abbreviation for Islama-Oyomama, which roughly translated means "Peace through annihilation."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ;) Now, that's dayumn funny!

BoiseBYU wrote:

BoiseBYU wrote:

I'm shocked that any Muslim would act that way. :whistle: Islam means - Peace.



These events are tragic. Horrible.



Obama and Hillary Clinton should be ashamed for their response.



I'm interested in watching the Islamic apologists on "CC" come out and explain away the murder of a US Ambassador and (from what I am reading) up to 4 other consular staff were shot and killed, 12-17 wounded. I'm also catching reports, possibly 2 more U.S security people were killed. This is an evolving story.



The Middle East is on a downward, violent, extremist glide path. It will keep getting worse. Much worse.

I do not like to be called an apologist, it sounds so negative, but I suppose I am so here goes. I am deeply saddened by the violence and mystified at the very first responses by Clinton and Obama. I do note that soon thereafter they condemned the violence very strongly. And on the Islamist front, I also note that the Libyan governement, Islamic, condemned the violence with the Prime Minister apologizing to the United States. That does not diminish the horror of it all and the hate that feels these peoples' hearts. But you have an Islamic government condemning the actions of its citizens. In any event a very sad day.

Arafat condemned a bunch of them too. He even condemned the 9/11 attacks. So to me they are meaningless words.

Surely the lives of the Libyans injured and killed defending the compound are not meaningless....

How many was that? He had four Lybian guards at the compound and three American "assistants". But I don't see any mention of the Lybian guards. Of course he was supposidly at a safe house but somehow got abducted in the first few minutes of the assault. Wow those guys are good for an unorganized mob with no intel. Hmmmm....

BoiseBYU wrote:



Surely the lives of the Libyans injured and killed defending the compound are not meaningless....

I have not read a post making negative comments about Libyans in the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya; or saying their lives are meaningless.



I searched, and I have not found any reports of Libyans being killed in the U.S. consulate compound attack.



What I did find - 1 U.S. Ambassador killed, 3 other Americans killed, 8 Libyans injured. The attack was carried out with military grade assault guns, grenades, and mortars. All folks that were injured or killed during the attack deserve the greatest support and deepest sympathy. And, I believe they are receiving it.



The attack was coordinated, well planned, and the Jihadists knew exactly where the safe house was, where the Embassy personnel retreated to for safety. The safe house was suppose to be secret. It is being reported that the attack was a 2 stage, coordinated attack. These guys had excellent intelligence and planning.

I am thinking that all the countries involved should police their own people. I agree with those in legislature proposing we withhold funds until the murderers are caught. I am concerned however, that they will come up with scapegoats that may be innocent just to keep getting our money. Actually, I'm for withholding funds anyway as we are several trillion in debt.

nuk13 wrote:
I am thinking that all the countries involved should police their own people. I agree with those in legislature proposing we withhold funds until the murderers are caught. I am concerned however, that they will come up with scapegoats that may be innocent just to keep getting our money. Actually, I'm for withholding funds anyway as we are several trillion in debt.

I agree. Cut off the funds. We give billions away to "pretend" friends and allies. The new radical Egypt, the deceitful Pakistan. The list is a long one. Cut off funds from all the pseudo allies for 1 year & watch them change their tune. A little tough love.

And as more details emerge, Obama continues to publicly denounce the film prior to denouncing the attacks...every statement he has made condemning the attacks is preceded by a condemnation of the film BoiseBYU...even after it has come to light that the Administration had at least 48 hours advance notices of the attacks, and that the intelligence indicates the coordinated attacks were launched in retribution for drone strikes, not for anything to do with the film. But he continues to damn the film as a misdirection from his own drone strikes (which we now know he personally gives a thumbs-up or -down for each one outside of zones of active hostility).

Wow, can you imagine what the media would have said if Bush had skipped all his intel briefings, ignored credible threat 48 hours before an attack, and then had an ambassador raped and murdered with shocking, terrible photographs online, and blew it all off to go to a party in Las Vegas?

Unbelievable.

SpiffCoug wrote:

Unbelievable.

It is believable - understanding that what we are witnessing is the unravelling of Obama's Middle East policy - which is floundering and mis-guided.



When the whole Arab Spring "thing" was starting, and Obama threw his support behind it - especially supporting the toppling of Mubarak in Egypt. I turned to my wife and said - "Obama has no idea what forces he is unleashing and the damage he is doing." You are seeing it now.



Obama really thought that through the power of his personality - his magnanimous speeches - his lofty, hollow rhetoric; that the radical Jihadi's, the Arab nations, and the world would "love him, and the USA."



How is that working? Well, the insane are now running the asylum.

It's unbelievable that the POTUS feels it is more important to raise money for his campaign than to meet with his intelligence agencies and find out what they know.



No wonder he gave himself an incomplete. He's not even sure what his assignments are. He doesn't ask questions, he doesn't know what questions to ask. He'd rather be ignorant than appear uninformed.

Here's something that really upsets me about this whole mess. I understand that sometimes people in the middle east are going to attack Americans and our Embassy. I understand that they will riot and stage planned premeditated attacks and there are times we just wont be able to stop them.



But if this is the case, how come this wasn't like Black Hawk Down? There should have been literally thousands of dead terrorists out there as our Marines fought for their lives until the ran out of ammo. Now it's being reported that the Marines who guard the embassy in Egypt are not even allowed to have live ammunition! The news is saying that every single local muslim guard the embassy had in Libya ran away in the first seconds of the attack, and our own guys aren't even allowed to have weapons?

hawkwing wrote:
Here's something that really upsets me about this whole mess. I understand that sometimes people in the middle east are going to attack Americans and our Embassy. I understand that they will riot and stage planned premeditated attacks and there are times we just wont be able to stop them.



But if this is the case, how come this wasn't like Black Hawk Down? There should have been literally thousands of dead terrorists out there as our Marines fought for their lives until the ran out of ammo. Now it's being reported that the Marines who guard the embassy in Egypt are not even allowed to have live ammunition! The news is saying that every single local muslim guard the embassy had in Libya ran away in the first seconds of the attack, and our own guys aren't even allowed to have weapons?

That is correct. The Obama appointee as Ambassador to Egypt is Anne Patterson. She has held the post since Aug. 2011. Basically, 13 months. She ordered the Marines in her embassy to leave their ammunition locked in the Embassy - while they stood guard with empty weapons.



Obama and all his Liberal ilk must go.

The Obama administration's continued reports blaming a 6-month-old film for these attacks is a perfect example of our govenment spreading propoganda produced by the enemy. The question is whether this is deliberate, or whether they are really that stupid.

SpiffCoug wrote:
It's unbelievable that the POTUS feels it is more important to raise money for his campaign than to meet with his intelligence agencies and find out what they know.

Clearly he has an internal poll that shows him not winning November's election.

hawkwing wrote:
Wow, can you imagine what the media would have said if Bush had skipped all his intel briefings, ignored credible threat 48 hours before an attack, and then had an ambassador raped and murdered with shocking, terrible photographs online, and blew it all off to go to a party in Las Vegas?

It probably would've started something like this:



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I also love how Obama and the left take credit for our exit from Iraq as if it was their doing. In fact it was mandated by an international pact negotiated and signed by.......wait for it.........Bush. This loser in the Oval Office didn't even have a choice in the matter.



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HoosierCougar wrote:

It's unbelievable that the POTUS feels it is more important to raise money for his campaign than to meet with his intelligence agencies and find out what they know.

Clearly he has an internal poll that shows him not winning November's election.

You mean Rasmussen polls and historical trends?

Perhaps the reason the administration is still fixating on the video/film as the cause of these riots and attacks on our embassies across the region is because they haven't been attending the daily intelligence meetings, haven't been reading the reports and simply don't have a clue as to what is going on over there and are too embarrassed to ask questions and find out?

SpiffCoug wrote:
Perhaps the reason the administration is still fixating on the video/film as the cause of these riots and attacks on our embassies across the region is because they haven't been attending the daily intelligence meetings, haven't been reading the reports and simply don't have a clue as to what is going on over there and are too embarrassed to ask questions and find out?

So that's where the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy went to.

Also interesting that there are reports that the administration was/is looking to cut $129 million from embassy security programs and features.