Obama/Clinton and Libya...W....T.....F

I bet no film all year gets the reaction this one did. And most people won't even see it. Talk about film of the year award for most impactful...



"Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, who is on probation after being convicted of financial crimes, also was twice sentenced to jail on drug charges in the late 1990s," He's also egyptian born but claims Israeli-american heritage and sought $5M in funding for his film from Jewish donors.



the actors in the film were also not told of the film's purpose. Mohammed wasn't even in the original script of "Desert Warrior" and they claimed lines had been altered after the fact.



You have to wonder about the timing of such a film too. I also wonder if anyone had any idea what affect it might have. Guy like this makes a perfect scapegoat and sacrificial lamb and cover for someone with ulterior political motives. I can't imagine anyone in Romney's camp being responsible for inciting this kind of crap, but the GOP has plenty of unsavory characters who would.

CougarClaw wrote:
I bet no film all year gets the reaction this one did. And most people won't even see it. Talk about film of the year award for most impactful...



"Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, who is on probation after being convicted of financial crimes, also was twice sentenced to jail on drug charges in the late 1990s," He's also egyptian born but claims Israeli-american heritage and sought $5M in funding for his film from Jewish donors.



the actors in the film were also not told of the film's purpose. Mohammed wasn't even in the original script of "Desert Warrior" and they claimed lines had been altered after the fact.



You have to wonder about the timing of such a film too. I also wonder if anyone had any idea what affect it might have. Guy like this makes a perfect scapegoat and sacrificial lamb and cover for someone with ulterior political motives. I can't imagine anyone in Romney's camp being responsible for inciting this kind of crap, but the GOP has plenty of unsavory characters who would.

This film didn't get the original reaction. The embassy strikes were a coordinated plan by Al Qaeda in retaliation for Obama's drone strikes. What has happened since are imitators using the same pretext to express existing anti-American sentiments.

i don't disagree. The film was a pretext. But a very loud one.

CougarClaw wrote:
i don't disagree. The film was a pretext. But a very loud one.

It was actually a very quiet one until the Egyptian new service broadcast the most offensive portions of it for all their Muslim viewers to see during primetime. The movie had been on youtube for months before that. If the Egyptian media is going to go hunting for content on youtube offensive to Muslims they're not going to run out of pretexts anytime soon.

Has anyone seen the reports of how Ambassador Chris Stevens died? Initial reports were that he was asphyxiated from the smoke. Not so. Now reports are, Ambassador was taken from the Benghazi Consulate, alive - raped and then suffocated.



"Mideast media say Amb. Christopher Stevens was raped before killed"



September 13, 2012



U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens not only was tortured (suffocated), killed, and had his body dragged through the streets of Benghazi, Libya, the mainstream media in the Muslim Middle-East are saying his murderers raped him before killing him.



You’ll recall that Libyan “Arab Spring” rebels had done the same to Moammar Gaddafi, anal-raping him with a stick.



Sundancecracker writes for America Conservative 2 Conservative, Sept. 13, 2012:



Various news outlets in the Middle East, not the fringe, but the muslim mainstream press, are reporting the details about Ambassador Stevens assassination. Which includes the following specifics:



….”the U.S. ambassador to Libya was raped sexually before killing by gunmen who stormed the embassy building in Benghazi last night to protest against the film is offensive to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)”.



“The sources said that “Ambassador was killed and representation of his body in a manner similar to what happened with Gaddafi, such as murder.”



Via Google Translation of http://www.tayyar.org/Tayyar/News/PoliticalNews/ar-LB/usa-killed-ly" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;…



We know that Gaddafi was raped, sexually assaulted, genitals mutilated and removed, prior to, during and following his death. Apparently, Ambassador Christopher Stevens suffered the same fate during the 6 hours his body was missing."



http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/mideast-media-say-amb-christopher-stevens-was-raped-before-killed/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

snoscythe wrote:

i don't disagree. The film was a pretext. But a very loud one.

It was actually a very quiet one until the Egyptian new service broadcast the most offensive portions of it for all their Muslim viewers to see during primetime. The movie had been on youtube for months before that. If the Egyptian media is going to go hunting for content on youtube offensive to Muslims they're not going to run out of pretexts anytime soon.

film is probably stupid and inflammatory, but is currently being used as a scapegoat. This was a coordinated attack, the president is trying to deflect his incompetence with this film. the fact that the marines did not have live ammo still really really bothers me.

BroncoBot wrote:

CougarClaw wrote:
i don't disagree. The film was a pretext. But a very loud one.

It was actually a very quiet one until the Egyptian new service broadcast the most offensive portions of it for all their Muslim viewers to see during primetime. The movie had been on youtube for months before that. If the Egyptian media is going to go hunting for content on youtube offensive to Muslims they're not going to run out of pretexts anytime soon.

film is probably stupid and inflammatory, but is currently being used as a scapegoat. This was a coordinated attack, the president is trying to deflect his incompetence with this film. the fact that the marines did not have live ammo still really really bothers me.

The fact that there was ZERO U.S. military security (neither Marine or Army) at the Consulate, in Benghazi, Libya, is beyond disgraceful. It is dereliction of duty for the State Dept. and the POTUS. Both Obama and Hillary are directly responsible for their Embassy personnel.

The Book of Mormon musical playing on Broadway is incredibly insulting and blasphemous to members of the Church. Yet you don't see them trying to burn the theater down. The response and reaction could not be more stark.

BoiseBYU wrote:
The Book of Mormon musical playing on Broadway is incredibly insulting and blasphemous to members of the Church. Yet you don't see them trying to burn the theater down. The response and reaction could not be more stark.

+1. Exactly.

Ddawg wrote:
Has anyone seen the reports of how Ambassador Chris Stevens died? Initial reports were that he was asphyxiated from the smoke. Not so. Now reports are, Ambassador was taken from the Benghazi Consulate, alive - raped and then suffocated.



"Mideast media say Amb. Christopher Stevens was raped before killed"



September 13, 2012



U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens not only was tortured (suffocated), killed, and had his body dragged through the streets of Benghazi, Libya, the mainstream media in the Muslim Middle-East are saying his murderers raped him before killing him.



You’ll recall that Libyan “Arab Spring” rebels had done the same to Moammar Gaddafi, anal-raping him with a stick.



Sundancecracker writes for America Conservative 2 Conservative, Sept. 13, 2012:



Various news outlets in the Middle East, not the fringe, but the muslim mainstream press, are reporting the details about Ambassador Stevens assassination. Which includes the following specifics:



….”the U.S. ambassador to Libya was raped sexually before killing by gunmen who stormed the embassy building in Benghazi last night to protest against the film is offensive to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)”.



“The sources said that “Ambassador was killed and representation of his body in a manner similar to what happened with Gaddafi, such as murder.”



Via Google Translation of http://www.tayyar.org/Tayyar/News/PoliticalNews/ar-LB/usa-killed-ly" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;…



We know that Gaddafi was raped, sexually assaulted, genitals mutilated and removed, prior to, during and following his death. Apparently, Ambassador Christopher Stevens suffered the same fate during the 6 hours his body was missing."



http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/mideast-media-say-amb-christopher-stevens-was-raped-before-killed/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The White House was telling the media that he was "accidentally" killed by shrapnel from "protests" even after the press was reporting he was suffocated. Only when their accident version didn't take hold did they switch to the "suffocated by smoke" line. Can't wait to see how they try to spin this one away.



This is what blows my mind the most--why are they trying to downplay and lie about what happened? The White House still refuses to classify any of this as terrorist related despite (i) 48 hours advance notice from Egyptian intelligence of a planned Al Qaeda assault on the Libyan consulate, (ii) the Al Qaeda flag being raised over the Egyptian embassy, and (iii) Al Qaeda claiming credit for the coordinated assault. The White House continues to refuse to answer these questions and instead answers any such question with a statement about the film. It's maddening really.

Sno - I agree with you 210%. I am so angry over the ineptitude, deceit, and dereliction of duty from this Administration. Anyone with a brain knew that Libya is still a dangerous place. Kinda like the old west before it was settled - only worse. There are lots of lawless, angry people armed to the teeth among the populace. They are militant, Jihadist, and they hate the U.S. govt. We are the great Satan.



To not have a Marine security presence - it is unconscionable. Instead, to hire 4 local Libyans, that allowed the Jihadists into the compound, then pointed out where the Safe House was, enabling the Jihadists to capture, torture, rape, and murder the Ambasador. It is mind numbing. At a min. these Libyan security frauds were sympathetic to the Jihadists. More than likely, they are part of the Jihadists.



Look what has happened in Afghanistan repeatedly: Local Afghani police and Afghani army turn on U.S. troops and gun them down. It does not take a brain surgeon to know we need U.S. Marine's guarding U.S. property, and Embassy diplomats in hostile territory.



Benghazi and Cairo are shining examples of the wrong headed, ill conceived ideas, faulty conclusions of Liberals. "Can't we all just get along?" It is epic failure of leadership.

But hey--the WH stories give the media cover to start dinging Romney for his "wrongheaded" stance towards China, so it's working.

Sno - if you want to read a very interesting "op-ed" piece that was posted this last week in the Wall St Journal - by the Wall St. Journal - I am providing the link.



I am posting 2 lines from the article.



From the 1st paragraph:

"but our term for it is political sociopathy."



(The WSJ's term for Obama's conduct in running election ads ' "political sociopathy")



Sociopath: Selfish, no conscience, a serial liar.



The last paragraph:

"We (WSJ) want nothing to do with that agenda, but readers who see our name (WSJ) exploited in a TV ad should take it as one more sign of the Obama campaign's serial dishonesty."



The Obama campaign's "serial dishonesty." Unbelievably stunning!!! Not one mention of this article in the Main Stream Media.



http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10000872396390444023704577649762178006578-lMyQjAxMTAyMDEwNDAxODQ3Wj.html?mod=wsj_valetleft_email" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If nothing else, these recent events have provided a great barometer for determining which media outlets are in the sack with Obama, and which ones have some semblance of respectability.



If the media outlet is leading with "Should Google Censor Islam Video?" or "Should Video Producer be Prosecuted?" they are promoting an Obama agenda. If the outlet is leading with "Libyan Ambassador: US Warned of Al Qaeda Attacks Three Days in Advance," you've got someone who has found the abundance of stray yarns and is starting to unravel them.

+1. Ding - Ding - Ding!! Agreed.



(Meanwhile, I am nauseated from the dishonest, partisan coverage of events)

But guys, obviously this is a vast right wing conspiracy..!

hawkwing wrote:
But guys, obviously this is a vast right wing conspiracy..!

I am not sure it is a vast right wing conspiracy. I think it is maybe only half-vast.





Yeah, between football and world events my brain is about fried.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444450004578002010241044712.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



An article about Mormons, Muslims, and the Liberals.

great article hawkwing...here's another that I thoroughly enjoyed



http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/15/my-take-its-time-for-islamophobic-evangelicals-to-choose/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting article, Claw, I wonder if Brian D. McLaren has seen the Book of Mormon play, and if he finds it 'tawdry, pathetic, even pornographic.' But either way, surely he supports the creator's rights to say those things?