Hurry and pass gun control before we have time to read it!

So just answer me this--why does the church prohibit guns (except in rare circumstances) on their property (excluding possibly parking lots)?



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Guns have not been banned by the Church. They have been banned by Utah state law. The church has deemed bringing guns to be inappropriate during worship services. No other statements have been made.

cornhole153 wrote:
So just answer me this--why does the church prohibit guns (except in rare circumstances) on their property (excluding possibly parking lots)?



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If you would have used this language in your origonal post, we'd have moved on 8 to 10 pages ago. You keep like this, avoiding hyperbole, and we'll get along just fine

ABYUFAN wrote:

So just answer me this--why does the church prohibit guns (except in rare circumstances) on their property (excluding possibly parking lots)?



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If you would have used this language in your origonal post, we'd have moved on 8 to 10 pages ago. You keep like this, avoiding hyperbole, and we'll get along just fine

So your answer is?



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Guns have not been banned by the Church. They have been banned by Utah state law. The church has deemed bringing guns to be inappropriate during worship services. No other statements have been made.

Wrong. Church published, a totally optional, statement invoking the Utah ban re its properties.



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hawkwing wrote:
Guns have not been banned by the Church. They have been banned by Utah state law. The church has deemed bringing guns to be inappropriate during worship services. No other statements have been made.

And, "During worship service"? Where in the world did you get that? So are you saying that I can take a gun to Mutual?



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The actual phrase is 'House of Worship' so yes, you'd be completely fine taking a gun to mutual depending upon where it's held.

cornhole153 wrote:

cornhole153 wrote:
So just answer me this--why does the church prohibit guns (except in rare circumstances) on their property (excluding possibly parking lots)?



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If you would have used this language in your origonal post, we'd have moved on 8 to 10 pages ago. You keep like this, avoiding hyperbole, and we'll get along just fine

So your answer is?

You already know my answer, and I'm fine that we can agree to disagree on the reason that we think is behind the the church's poilcy (truth is, neither of actually know.) I'm additionally glad that we can agree to disagree on a simple statement - not hyperbole. You claim the policy to be based on safety, I say it's a liability issue. You will say there is no difference between the two, and I will say why then, do you have insurance? Insurance doesn't make your home, auto or business any safer - it just limits the liability... but again, I don't feel a need to change your mind. I'm glad that we can now move on

ABYUFAN wrote:

So just answer me this--why does the church prohibit guns (except in rare circumstances) on their property (excluding possibly parking lots)?



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If you would have used this language in your origonal post, we'd have moved on 8 to 10 pages ago. You keep like this, avoiding hyperbole, and we'll get along just fine

Okay--I had to go back and see my original to see all the hyperbole that's caused such an unnecessary ruckus. Here it is....



"Interesting though that the church has a strict ban on guns (except for on duty officers that are required to carry) on their properties."



I guess I really should have added that bit about parking lots... So funny.



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cornhole153 wrote:

cornhole153 wrote:
So just answer me this--why does the church prohibit guns (except in rare circumstances) on their property (excluding possibly parking lots)?



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If you would have used this language in your origonal post, we'd have moved on 8 to 10 pages ago. You keep like this, avoiding hyperbole, and we'll get along just fine

Okay--I had to go back and see my original to see all the hyperbole that's caused such an unnecessary ruckus. Here it is....



"Interesting though that the church has a strict ban on guns (except for on duty officers that are required to carry) on their properties."



I guess I really should have added that bit about parking lots... So funny.

"Strict ban" =/= "prohibit"

""off duty officers" =/= "rare circumstances"

cornhole153 wrote:

Guns have not been banned by the Church. They have been banned by Utah state law. The church has deemed bringing guns to be inappropriate during worship services. No other statements have been made.

And, "During worship service"? Where in the world did you get that? So are you saying that I can take a gun to Mutual?



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What!? YOU have a problem with someone adding words that aren't there to the policy!!!????

We had armed guards at the MTC where I was. And by armed, I mean they had guns (and arms, just so I'm clear).

Schmoe wrote:
We had armed guards at the MTC where I was. And by armed, I mean they had guns (and arms, just so I'm clear).

So they were armed armed guards?

ABYUFAN wrote:

We had armed guards at the MTC where I was. And by armed, I mean they had guns (and arms, just so I'm clear).

So they were armed armed guards?

Sounds about right. And this was in a country with more restrictive gun laws than the US.

If the Church is attempting to ban guns, why are the still associating with organizations like the Boy Scouts that attempt to teach gun safety. If there is no such thing as a safe gun and there should be no guns, then the Church has an obligation to disassociate themselves from any non law-enforcement organization that uses guns. Further, they should advise their members to avoid joining the military or law enforcement agencies as guns are wrong.

cornhole153 wrote:
So just answer me this--why does the church prohibit guns (except in rare circumstances) on their property (excluding possibly parking lots)?



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probably because people like you raise a stink about being nervous around guns.

So, back to the original question, and one posed to corn hole: Should a gun control law include exemptions for law enforcement officials?

SpiffCoug wrote:
So, back to the original question, and one posed to corn hole: Should a gun control law include exemptions for law enforcement officials?

The great state of BoiseBYU votes AYE!

SpiffCoug wrote:
So, back to the original question, and one posed to corn hole: Should a gun control law include exemptions for law enforcement officials?

No. too much power, not enough checks and balances.

ABYUFAN wrote:

ABYUFAN wrote:

So just answer me this--why does the church prohibit guns (except in rare circumstances) on their property (excluding possibly parking lots)?



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If you would have used this language in your origonal post, we'd have moved on 8 to 10 pages ago. You keep like this, avoiding hyperbole, and we'll get along just fine

Okay--I had to go back and see my original to see all the hyperbole that's caused such an unnecessary ruckus. Here it is....



"Interesting though that the church has a strict ban on guns (except for on duty officers that are required to carry) on their properties."



I guess I really should have added that bit about parking lots... So funny.

"Strict ban" =/= "prohibit"

""off duty officers" =/= "rare circumstances"

In the Church's official handbook, it prohibits guns (except for cops required to be carrying). The freakin definition of "ban" is to officially prohibit something... Yeah, such hyperbole.



I can't find a single state that requires off duty officers to carry, so I concluded that only on-duty officers would be required to carry. You continue to claim that all off-duty officers are required to carry (to church), without producing a single cite? Yeah, I'm the one using hyperbole.



Guess my original statement, after 8 pages of attacks, remains unblemished.



"Interesting though that the church has a strict ban on guns (except for on duty officers that are required to carry) on their properties."

I say go ahead and ban every gun. But only on two conditions. You can guarantee me that no criminal will ever get them either. If you can't that then don't tell me I can't protect my family with a semi-automatic gun of my choosing. A close second stipulation would be that you can guarantee that the government will never become tyrannical to where the people may need to rise up and "reset" it which was the original intent as to why freedom to possess "arms" was the second thing included in the Bill of Rights.