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Qualities of a great Coach

by Ygridiron4ever · 1/22/2013

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I have been thinking about this topic for a couple of days... I still can't seem to put my finger exactly what the "it" factor is that a coach must have, but when you find a coach with it, you know he has it. It's a given they need to have position knowledge and game knowledge, but there is an "it" factor that some coaches have and some don't.



Urban Meyer is a jerk and I would never want my kid to play for him aftering hearing some of his former players tell stories about him, but the guy has "it" he gets results.



When I was playing in college our head coach could yell and scream and carry on like a jackass and it never motivated us players just annoyed us to death. Our O-coordinator was someone who commanded our respect, when he spoke we listened, we did what he said and we did it with every bit of strength we had.



It reminds me of a game my freshman year, we were getting smoked 34-6 at the half, we went in the locker room and the HC just laid into us, it didn't do anything but annoy us. When the OC stood up and let us have it, it was different feeling, it inspired us. We went out in the 2nd half and ended up losing 56-50 on a fumble by our QB at the goal line. We still lost but we played our guts out when the OC spoke.



After I left the school the OC became and lead the team to its first national ranking in 20 years, I think the ability to inspire and get more out of your players than anyone else would is what makes a great coach.
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Cougs_Rule
hawkwing wrote:
I think in some ways Doman is a fantastic QB coach. There may not be another coach in the country that is able to become friends with the starting QB like he can.



When the offense is doing well, led by a talented offensive coordinator, that can understandably look like great coaching. Especially if your QBs you've been coaching already have solid fundamentals.


Have you been drinking a drink called "Coach Speak?" Or are you trying to get A position on the coaching staff? ;)
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cornhole153
hawkwing wrote:
I think I'm flattered to be mentioned as pretty level headed.



I think an average coach is one who can impart the skills of a position or team needed for success.

I think a good coach is someone who can do the above as well as define a clear vision or identity for a position group or team and have the players buy into it.

I think a great coach is someone who can do the above as well as inspire his players to perform at a level higher than a reasonable assessment would show them being at.



That's why I would say Doman was at best an average coach.


Given Bronco's record against similarly talented teams, I would have to say Bronco is an average coach as well.



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cornhole, define "similarly talented" for me. Does this mean top 25?



Are you saying of the upper tier coaches out there (20 or so of the best) that he's average? I can buy that. And feel that BYU is pretty lucky to have a coach that has done enough to be considered among such company.
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Cougs_Rule
Bronco is not an average coach! That's ludicrous. Even measured against his peers in D1 coaching he is far above average. He has some weaknesses. Most coaches do, including the most successful in terms of wins and losses, think Meyer and Saban. To that standard, Bronco is at least a "Good" coach. Ask the BoT and I'm thinking they would say Good to Great, based on their criteria. If Bronco does t least as well as he has so far, over 20 yers, then I think the BoT would say he was a great coach.

Now, there is some truth to the saying that "good is the enemy of great" and if Bronco keeps having to clean house on his coaching staff every two years, for the reasons he has, it will catch up with him and his stock will diminish.

Anae bowed out. Doman got knocked out. If Anae gets put out within two years, there will be a major crack in Broncos foundation as a coach and he will have run out of scapegoats.
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cornhole153
BroncoBot wrote:
cornhole, define "similarly talented" for me. Does this mean top 25?



Are you saying of the upper tier coaches out there (20 or so of the best) that he's average? I can buy that. And feel that BYU is pretty lucky to have a coach that has done enough to be considered among such company.


Teams that get as good or better recruits, which comes to about 3 teams a year in that category. Bronco is really good at not having a let down against bad teams, but really doesn't get much out of his players in terms of beating more talented teams--which I think is a mark of a above average coach.



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ABYUFAN
cornhole153 wrote:
cornhole, define "similarly talented" for me. Does this mean top 25?



Are you saying of the upper tier coaches out there (20 or so of the best) that he's average? I can buy that. And feel that BYU is pretty lucky to have a coach that has done enough to be considered among such company.


Teams that get as good or better recruits, which comes to about 3 teams a year in that category. Bronco is really good at not having a let down against bad teams, but really doesn't get much out of his players in terms of beating more talented teams--which I think is a mark of a above average coach.



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Your position only works if you don't include recruiting in the duties of a head coach, unfortunately for your position, it is......
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cornhole153
ABYUFAN wrote:
BroncoBot wrote:
cornhole, define "similarly talented" for me. Does this mean top 25?



Are you saying of the upper tier coaches out there (20 or so of the best) that he's average? I can buy that. And feel that BYU is pretty lucky to have a coach that has done enough to be considered among such company.


Teams that get as good or better recruits, which comes to about 3 teams a year in that category. Bronco is really good at not having a let down against bad teams, but really doesn't get much out of his players in terms of beating more talented teams--which I think is a mark of a above average coach.



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Your position only works if you don't include recruiting in the duties of a head coach, unfortunately for your position, it is......




Fair point, though I don't think Bronco is the only reason BYU get so many Mormon athletes. Also I'm guessing Gary Anderson does a lot better recruiting this year, even though he didnt suddenly become a much better coach.



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ABYUFAN
cornhole153 wrote:
cornhole153 wrote:
cornhole, define "similarly talented" for me. Does this mean top 25?



Are you saying of the upper tier coaches out there (20 or so of the best) that he's average? I can buy that. And feel that BYU is pretty lucky to have a coach that has done enough to be considered among such company.


Teams that get as good or better recruits, which comes to about 3 teams a year in that category. Bronco is really good at not having a let down against bad teams, but really doesn't get much out of his players in terms of beating more talented teams--which I think is a mark of a above average coach.



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Your position only works if you don't include recruiting in the duties of a head coach, unfortunately for your position, it is......




Fair point, though I don't think Bronco is the only reason BYU get so many Mormon athletes. Also I'm guessing Gary Anderson does a lot better recruiting this year, even though he didnt suddenly become a much better coach.



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It's not as simple as that though... it's not just a good or bad athlete, but also the best fit for the system / school Crowton (and Cleveland in basketball ) showed, that just because someone is a good athlete doesn't mean that he'll be a good fit at BYU, and many of BYU's best athletes didn't come to BYU as LDS, And many of the best LDS athletes didn’t even come to BYU… given all of that, it's disingenuous (or lazy) to imply that BYU is good because of the LDS population, or that the school is recruiting itself. Even if the profile of the school makes it more likely to land a recruit, it is still up to the coach to choose whom to bring in, and how many of each position to recruit. All of that is management
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Mars
cornhole153 wrote:
Teams that get as good or better recruits, which comes to about 3 teams a year in that category. Bronco is really good at not having a let down against bad teams, but really doesn't get much out of his players in terms of beating more talented teams--which I think is a mark of a above average coach.

But that also includes Washington State, Ole Miss, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, Oklahoma, UCLA, Georgia Tech...
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cornhole153
Mars wrote:
Teams that get as good or better recruits, which comes to about 3 teams a year in that category. Bronco is really good at not having a let down against bad teams, but really doesn't get much out of his players in terms of beating more talented teams--which I think is a mark of a above average coach.

But that also includes Washington State, Ole Miss, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, Oklahoma, UCLA, Georgia Tech...


But see, Boise St., Utah x 5, SJSU, TCU x 5, AF, Nevada, Utah St., Tulsa and SDSU.



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cornhole153
cornhole153 wrote:
cornhole153 wrote:
Teams that get as good or better recruits, which comes to about 3 teams a year in that category. Bronco is really good at not having a let down against bad teams, but really doesn't get much out of his players in terms of beating more talented teams--which I think is a mark of a above average coach.

But that also includes Washington State, Ole Miss, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, Oklahoma, UCLA, Georgia Tech...


But see, Boise St., Utah x 5, SJSU, TCU x 5, AF, Nevada, Utah St., Tulsa and SDSU.



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So he loses more than twice as many shouldn't loses as he wins against shouldn't wins. Bronco is great in a lot of ways (firesides, perhaps recruiting, etc) but in terms of getting more out of his recruits he is at best average.



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A coach that routinely loses games he should easily win is far worse than a coach that that beats every team he should beat and only beats teams that are considered better 33% of the time.



Hence Bronco >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kyle
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SpiffCoug
hawkwing wrote:
A coach that routinely loses games he should easily win is far worse than a coach that that beats every team he should beat and only beats teams that are considered better 33% of the time.



Hence Bronco >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kyle

Well, that and the fact that Bronco won't be fired following next season.
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cornhole153
hawkwing wrote:
A coach that routinely loses games he should easily win is far worse than a coach that that beats every team he should beat and only beats teams that are considered better 33% of the time.



Hence Bronco >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kyle


I'm haven't compare KW wins versus more talent teams to his losses against less talent teams. I'll look it up, should be interesting to see how he and BM compare. I will give you that he losses too many bad games. Although, he has also put together and undefeated season, something that BM hasn't even really got off the ground.



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SpiffCoug
You can pretty much start with Utah's 27-0 loss to UNLV and their loss at home to Colorado in 2011.



Bronco doesn't have a loss as poor as either of those.
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cornhole153
SpiffCoug wrote:
You can pretty much start with Utah's 27-0 loss to UNLV and their loss at home to Colorado in 2011.



Bronco doesn't have a loss as poor as either of those.


I agree. KW's lows are much lower than BMs.



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cornhole153
cornhole153 wrote:
A coach that routinely loses games he should easily win is far worse than a coach that that beats every team he should beat and only beats teams that are considered better 33% of the time.



Hence Bronco >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kyle


I'm haven't compare KW wins versus more talent teams to his losses against less talent teams. I'll look it up, should be interesting to see how he and BM compare. I will give you that he losses too many bad games. Although, he has also put together and undefeated season, something that BM hasn't even really got off the ground. Interesting though.



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So KW has 24 wins against more talent teams and just 11 loses to less talented teams. This was a quick look (and guesses in some cases re recruiting rankings), so there are probably some errors.



Wins, 24—AZ (2), BYU (5), GT (2), TCU (2), UCLA (2), Michigan, Alabama, Cal (2), Pitt (2), Iowa St, Oregon St., Washington St., Colorado, Washington



Loses, 11—Co. St., SDSU, NM (2), Boise, WY, AF, UNLV, Boise St., Utah St.



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ABYUFAN
cornhole153 wrote:
hawkwing wrote:
A coach that routinely loses games he should easily win is far worse than a coach that that beats every team he should beat and only beats teams that are considered better 33% of the time.



Hence Bronco >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kyle


I'm haven't compare KW wins versus more talent teams to his losses against less talent teams. I'll look it up, should be interesting to see how he and BM compare. I will give you that he losses too many bad games. Although, he has also put together and undefeated season, something that BM hasn't even really got off the ground. Interesting though.



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So KW has 24 wins against more talent teams and just 11 loses to less talented teams. This was a quick look (and guesses in some cases re recruiting rankings), so there are probably some errors.



Wins, 24—AZ (2), BYU (5), GT (2), TCU (2), UCLA (2), Michigan, Alabama, Cal (2), Pitt (2), Iowa St, Oregon St., Washington St., Colorado, Washington



Loses, 11—Co. St., SDSU, NM (2), Boise, WY, AF, UNLV, Boise St., Utah St.



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I'm not sure I understand what you are saying... Boise - are they different than Boise State? And you and the Ute fans are the only 12,001 people in the world that consider BSU to be "Less tallented" than Utah



Also are you sayig that Bronco has better recruits than KW? If so, then doesn't that support the position that he's a better college football coach? Again, recruiting is as important as any other single aspect of college coaching is it not?
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