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BYU vs Lone Peak

by Cougs_Rule · 2/14/2013

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northerncougar
Mars wrote:
If the game was a standard D1 game, two 20 minute halves, both teams playing their full roster, BYU wins 100 times straight.

They would also win in a "Who's older contest". See, I can do it too.



I take Lone Peak in a game of H-O-R-S-E.



But you already did it by changing the rules in the middle of the game. I was just playing along.



If we want to discuss who the best shooter is, that's another story, though I still think I would take Tyler at this point. His brother might end up being better. Definitely better than Emery.
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Mars
northerncougar wrote:
If we want to discuss who the best shooter is, that's another story, though I still think I would take Tyler at this point. His brother might end up being better. Definitely better than Emery.

I thought the general discussion was the caliber of player coming into the program vs the caliber of player currently in the program.



And Haws really isn't a very good 3-point shooter. And the current team overall is quite poor. "BYU is now 215th in the nation in 3pt% at 32.8%." What is Lone Peak shooting from the outside this season? Or the BYU LP kids?
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northerncougar
Mars wrote:
If we want to discuss who the best shooter is, that's another story, though I still think I would take Tyler at this point. His brother might end up being better. Definitely better than Emery.

I thought the general discussion was the caliber of player coming into the program vs the caliber of player currently in the program.



And Haws really isn't a very good 3-point shooter. And the current team overall is quite poor. "BYU is now 215th in the nation in 3pt% at 32.8%." What is Lone Peak shooting from the outside this season? Or the BYU LP kids?


The general discussion was if LP could beat BYU. At least that is how this thread started.
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Schmoe
I'll do you guys one better. Even if it's a high school game, with 12 minute quarters (I'm not even sure if that's right) and both teams playing their full rosters, BYU wins 100 times straight.
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SpiffCoug
Which 3-pt line are we using? Isn't it closer in high school?
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Guest
If we're to play the game, it's got to be by college rules with WCC refs.
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Cougs_Rule
Stacking/hedging the deck for BYU? Wow. Maybe You don't believe 100 for 100.
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northerncougar
Cougs_Rule wrote:
Stacking/hedging the deck for BYU? Wow. Maybe You don't believe 100 for 100.


BYU wins 100 times by either college or high school rules.
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Guest
northerncougar wrote:
Stacking/hedging the deck for BYU? Wow. Maybe You don't believe 100 for 100.


BYU wins 100 times by either college or high school rules.


Maybe they should play by JR High rules, since apparently playing by college rules is stacking the deck. :roll:
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Cougs_Rule
You placed the conditions not me. ;-)
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Cougs_Rule
I will take one more stab at this. For those who think BYU would win 100 out of 100, consider how long that would take to play. 2 years? 3? Many BYU players have hit their ceiling. LP players would be closing that gap with each successive loss and learning session. After about 30-40 losses, if the loss streak lasted that long, they wold start to pick up a win or two out of ten simply because they will Age, mature, improve, close the gap, and they are Champions and play with a championship mentality and have a coach to match Rose in all the variables that make a great coach.

So, how would you answer if this LP team (at least the top 5) played the current Cougar team when they were JRs and Srs in high school. Similarly, how would they match up if they all played at the Jr/Sr level in college? I think the LP team wins both games. Which Means the gap is not as large as the absolutists stomp their feet and argue.

Name one player on the current Cougar team was ranked as high out of high school as Emery or Mika? Davies? Nope. Cusick? nada. Zylchstra? nope neither.

The Haws brothers will probably be a wash. Tyler was ranked number 1 in Utah and so is TJ. But TJ is probably ranked higher nationally given all the tournaments LP has played in nationally.
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Schmoe
Or, they could play two games a day, five days a week, and it would only take ten weeks. The BYU players would adjust just as much to the LP players as vice-versa and BYU would win all 100.
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SpiffCoug
Cougs_Rule wrote:
ISo, how would you answer if this LP team (at least the top 5) played the current Cougar team when they were JRs and Srs in high school. Similarly, how would they match up if they all played at the Jr/Sr level in college? I think the LP team wins both games. Which Means the gap is not as large as the absolutists stomp their feet and argue.

Name one player on the current Cougar team was ranked as high out of high school as Emery or Mika? Davies? Nope. Cusick? nada. Zylchstra? nope neither.

The Haws brothers will probably be a wash. Tyler was ranked number 1 in Utah and so is TJ. But TJ is probably ranked higher nationally given all the tournaments LP has played in nationally.

If we're talking BYU's team as HSers, I'd take LP.
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Guest
SpiffCoug wrote:
ISo, how would you answer if this LP team (at least the top 5) played the current Cougar team when they were JRs and Srs in high school. Similarly, how would they match up if they all played at the Jr/Sr level in college? I think the LP team wins both games. Which Means the gap is not as large as the absolutists stomp their feet and argue.

Name one player on the current Cougar team was ranked as high out of high school as Emery or Mika? Davies? Nope. Cusick? nada. Zylchstra? nope neither.

The Haws brothers will probably be a wash. Tyler was ranked number 1 in Utah and so is TJ. But TJ is probably ranked higher nationally given all the tournaments LP has played in nationally.

If we're talking BYU's team as HSers, I'd take LP.

But if we take BYU's team as HSers, doesn't that make the LP players 3-6 years younger so Jr High players/Freshman age?
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northerncougar
Cougs_Rule wrote:
I will take one more stab at this. For those who think BYU would win 100 out of 100, consider how long that would take to play. 2 years? 3? Many BYU players have hit their ceiling. LP players would be closing that gap with each successive loss and learning session. After about 30-40 losses, if the loss streak lasted that long, they wold start to pick up a win or two out of ten simply because they will Age, mature, improve, close the gap, and they are Champions and play with a championship mentality and have a coach to match Rose in all the variables that make a great coach.

So, how would you answer if this LP team (at least the top 5) played the current Cougar team when they were JRs and Srs in high school. Similarly, how would they match up if they all played at the Jr/Sr level in college? I think the LP team wins both games. Which Means the gap is not as large as the absolutists stomp their feet and argue.

Name one player on the current Cougar team was ranked as high out of high school as Emery or Mika? Davies? Nope. Cusick? nada. Zylchstra? nope neither.

The Haws brothers will probably be a wash. Tyler was ranked number 1 in Utah and so is TJ. But TJ is probably ranked higher nationally given all the tournaments LP has played in nationally.


Schmoe has it right, it wouldn't take 3 years. It could be done easily in 10 weeks or so.



The scenario you describe here is completely different than what you originally posted. This scenario, playing when all is equal, either all as HS jr's/sr's or all equal college experience, I say BYU still wins. It would be close, but you are still playing three D1 players, against eight or twelve, however many you want to have on a roster.



The problem is that you can't discount the age, experience, and maturity factor, and there are three true D1 players on LP and even with that, they have lost a game this year. That isn't a knock on them, it just shows that the big three doesn't have a good enough supporting cast to even beat every HS team. It's like asking if the best NCAA football or basketball team would compete in the NBA or NFL. It wouldn't be close. As good as the Alabama was last year, the couldn't hold a candle to any NFL team. As good as Indiana is this year (and that's debatable) they would get destroyed in the NBA.



Every player on BYU's roster was either the best or one of the 2 or 3 best players on their high school team. Add to that, the age and experience, and no high school team could even come close to a D1 team.



If you would have asked if Mika, Emery and Haws would start over any other current players on BYU right now, that would be an interesting question.
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Cougs_Rule
Wow, really? I have been tempted previously, but it seemed almost as unfeasible as LP beating BYU. So unless you are setting me up for seem more beat down...;-)
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Could LP beat St Mary's?
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Mars
hawkwing wrote:
Could LP beat St Mary's?

They'd have a small chance to beat San Diego and San Fran, both of who beat us.
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