Drew: Carlino May Be Headed Out

Agreed. Doesn't seem like Rose has even tried Haws at the two. I still think Sharp and Z at the three would have been much better. But I do trust Rose.

I think Rose might have been putting Haws at the 3 this season to try and save his legs a bit the first year after his mission. I expect to see Haws at the 2 next year helping us get back to the fast break that has been persona non grata in the BYU offense this season, especially in WCC play.

Cougs_Rule wrote:
Agreed. Doesn't seem like Rose has even tried Haws at the two. I still think Sharp and Z at the three would have been much better. But I do trust Rose.

I think that rose has realized that the onlychance we have at winning games is if haws scores 20 to 30 a night. Haws is not a good man defender,at least not at this point post mission, and could not guard the 2, and he's not very good at zone either. Or at least roses version of the zone, with guards running around back and forth and tripping over each other all of the time.



I think Rose is just trying to save him for the offense its side of the court.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

Agreed. Doesn't seem like Rose has even tried Haws at the two. I still think Sharp and Z at the three would have been much better. But I do trust Rose.

I think that rose has realized that the onlychance we have at winning games is if haws scores 20 to 30 a night. Haws is not a good man defender,at least not at this point post mission, and could not guard the 2, and he's not very good at zone either. Or at least roses version of the zone, with guards running around back and forth and tripping over each other all of the time.



I think Rose is just trying to save him for the offense its side of the court.

I don't think that you and I are watchng the same team... I certainly haven't seen the guards tripping over each other "some of the time," let alone "all of the time." You should consider watching this team some time, it's actually pretty fun... moreso than just grousing around in your underwear and being mad at the world...

As much as I would like to see Haws at the 2, he can't defend it. He may improve over the season, but Haws would get beat off the dribble every time.



As for the idea of BYU's guards tripping all over each other, that's preposterous. While we're relying too much on the zone for my tastes, Rose' version of the zone did a good job of keeping BYU in the game against Gonzaga, and against SMC our zone took SMC down to final seconds of the shot clock all night long.



Part of the reason we had to use the zone so much this year is because Haws' defense is nonexistent. Throw in Zylstra, who also struggles keeping his man in front of him and zone it is.



I suspect we'll see more zone next season.

Gunk wrote:
As much as I would like to see Haws at the 2, he can't defend it. He may improve over the season, but Haws would get beat off the dribble every time.



As for the idea of BYU's guards tripping all over each other, that's preposterous. While we're relying too much on the zone for my tastes, Rose' version of the zone did a good job of keeping BYU in the game against Gonzaga, and against SMC our zone took SMC down to final seconds of the shot clock all night long.



Part of the reason we had to use the zone so much this year is because Haws' defense is nonexistent. Throw in Zylstra, who also struggles keeping his man in front of him and zone it is.



I suspect we'll see more zone next season.

Haws defense is BAD. Rogers' biggest contribution this year would have been on defense. They guy knew how to contest shots and he had great length. Alas, we had no one that could play very good defense this year.



I hate the zone. Just hate it.

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Cougs_Rule wrote:
Agreed. Doesn't seem like Rose has even tried Haws at the two. I still think Sharp and Z at the three would have been much better. But I do trust Rose.

I think that rose has realized that the onlychance we have at winning games is if haws scores 20 to 30 a night. Haws is not a good man defender,at least not at this point post mission, and could not guard the 2, and he's not very good at zone either. Or at least roses version of the zone, with guards running around back and forth and tripping over each other all of the time.



I think Rose is just trying to save him for the offense its side of the court.

I don't think that you and I are watchng the same team... I certainly haven't seen the guards tripping over each other "some of the time," let alone "all of the time." You should consider watching this team some time, it's actually pretty fun... moreso than just grousing around in your underwear and being mad at the world...

I've seen every game this year. Our defensive rotation is some of the worst I have ever seen. We regularly have guys running into each other and guarding the same man (happens normally around the top of the key).



As for me being "mad at the world", nice strawman attempt there, but I am entirely fine with most things in the world. BYU's abysmal defensive plan (which basically puts the inside guys on the perimeter, and the outside guys guarding the key to any team that pays attention) is not one of the good things in the world.



I don't think that you actually watch the games, at least not carefully.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

BlueIsBetter wrote:

Agreed. Doesn't seem like Rose has even tried Haws at the two. I still think Sharp and Z at the three would have been much better. But I do trust Rose.

I think that rose has realized that the onlychance we have at winning games is if haws scores 20 to 30 a night. Haws is not a good man defender,at least not at this point post mission, and could not guard the 2, and he's not very good at zone either. Or at least roses version of the zone, with guards running around back and forth and tripping over each other all of the time.



I think Rose is just trying to save him for the offense its side of the court.

I don't think that you and I are watchng the same team... I certainly haven't seen the guards tripping over each other "some of the time," let alone "all of the time." You should consider watching this team some time, it's actually pretty fun... moreso than just grousing around in your underwear and being mad at the world...

I've seen every game this year. Our defensive rotation is some of the worst I have ever seen. We regularly have guys running into each other and guarding the same man (happens normally around the top of the key).



As for me being "mad at the world", nice strawman attempt there, but I am entirely fine with most things in the world. BYU's abysmal defensive plan (which basically puts the inside guys on the perimeter, and the outside guys guarding the key to any team that pays attention) is not one of the good things in the world.



I don't think that you actually watch the games, at least not carefully.

Nope... I'm usually high and drunk when I watch the games :roll:



I do see that you have changed your position from guys "tripping over each other all of the time" to "running into each other"... to "guarding the same man" I'm not sure what it'll be next but I'm sure it will be something different and be looked at through a negative slant. :roll:



The truth is "Rose's version of the zone" (as you put it) doesn't have people "tripping over each other all of the time." And even an old, drunk, tweaker can see that

Fair enough, I *have* seen our guys smash in to each other, and get tangled up on defense. It happens at least once a game, actually.



NEGATIVE SLANT!!!

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Fair enough, I *have* seen our guys smash in to each other, and get tangled up on defense. It happens about once a game, actually.



NEGATIVE SLANT!!!

So that is what you meant by all of the time - once a game?



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I get good, and sometimes great things from most of you guys on here, but it is never good to read name calling. I get disagreement, we all disagree at times, even general authorities, but even a little more respect will improve the discussions. Apologies for the digression.



Back to the subject or close to it. Haws, in spite of being a sophomore and just off a mission, has become one of the best players in the nation. I believe next year both his defense and outside shooting will improve. Hopefully Carlino (really getting back to said subject) will work with the coaches and teammates to improve his play and thus improve the whole team.

Agreed. Jimmer had a hard time deferring to, who was it, Lee Cmmard? Until he had virtually a no holds barred, green light, he struggled. We can only hope that Carlino earns that and can utilize is strengths and then he and Haws can create a dynamic duo approach next year. Haws will improve his three point shooting over the summer.

Cougs_Rule wrote:
Agreed. Jimmer had a hard time deferring to, who was it, Lee Cmmard? Until he had virtually a no holds barred, green light, he struggled. We can only hope that Carlino earns that and can utilize is strengths and then he and Haws can create a dynamic duo approach next year. Haws will improve his three point shooting over the summer.

For the record, Haws is 2nd on the team in 3 point shooting.



Cusick - 41% on 29/70 shooting

Haws - 38% on 38/99 shooting

Zylstra - 35% on 37/105 shooting



Cusick should be shooting more, though he isn't one to force a shot.



Haws will get better. I suspect it will be above 40% next season.

Cusick is shooting a good amount, as most of his looks come from being unguarded. Cusick doesn't create his own shot, so he wouldn't have that many more opportunities even if he jacked it up every time he touches the ball behind the 3 point line. He gets passed to when he is open over in the corner. He doesn't have the ball in his hands that much.