Payton Dastrup

Bball programs aside, I can't imagine living 4-5 yrs as a single, LDS guy in Ohio. That's definitely not the same as Arizona. The kid will be in for some culture shock.

Hopefully Ryan Andrus develops into something decent........we may need him for a year after Mika leaves on his mission



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BYULV wrote:
Bball programs aside, I can't imagine living 4-5 yrs as a single, LDS guy in Ohio. That's definitely not the same as Arizona. The kid will be in for some culture shock.

I just love cultural elitists who somehow feel the church doesn't exist outside the footprint Brother Brigham put them in. Might surprise you that OSU has a strong very vibrant LDS singles community, not like out west where you are one of a million there is a feeling of community and young people get to know each other and help each other. I think this is one thing that happens when young athletes trip to the east, they are presently surprised at how strong and vibrant the church is.



Not endorsing OSU because most major universities do have strong LDS Institute and singles programs. Just saying.

Ya maybe he didnt want to be a Mormon BYU homer. He certainly will stick out at OSU as peculiar, if that's what he's going for. Just hope he gets to play bball at some point.

KYCoug wrote:

Bball programs aside, I can't imagine living 4-5 yrs as a single, LDS guy in Ohio. That's definitely not the same as Arizona. The kid will be in for some culture shock.

I just love cultural elitists who somehow feel the church doesn't exist outside the footprint Brother Brigham put them in. Might surprise you that OSU has a strong very vibrant LDS singles community, not like out west where you are one of a million there is a feeling of community and young people get to know each other and help each other. I think this is one thing that happens when young athletes trip to the east, they are presently surprised at how strong and vibrant the church is.



Not endorsing OSU because most major universities do have strong LDS Institute and singles programs. Just saying.

I feel like I can comment quite well on this, I've been at BYU and at an urban school where I was close to the hoops program both times. (Granted much closer to the hoops program at UMKC since I was on their payroll). Jeremiah Hartsock was an RM that signed with UMKC, served his mission and then played at UMKC. He admittedly thought that he'd have no problem socially before his mission and afterwards would admit he had a hard time feeling like he was fitting in, and how difficult it is to avoid temptation when you're around the rest of the team that simply have different values systems.



Payton won't be practicing with or going on roadtrips with the OSU singles community. Where he'll feel out of place the most is with his teammates and coaches. He won't have the choice of a dozen+ temples to visit within an hours drive, there won't be as many wholesome places to go with his teammates when they want to hang out, he won't have coaches that will set aside time for conference, he will be expected to play on sunday, his teammates will be drinking and having premarital sex and think he's the crazy one for not doing it (that's what a lot of people love about college). He's going to be in a land where his family and parents aren't around or even close.



Even Arizona or Arizona State would have been more comfortable for him, thriving LDS population with good institutes and beautiful young ladies. The fact that they weren't even on his final list and that BYU then wasn't the final choice, to me, makes me think this guy is a little naive OR he craves autonomy from his parents and relatives (many of which live in Utah). That autonomy will be challenged on his mission and depending on where he serves, he might be a lot less naïve in 2+ years.



Yet he's saying he's mission 1st. 1 of 2 things will happen. 1. He'll get on his mission and at some point have doubts about the decision he made, and possibly change his mind 2. He'll naively think that he can withstand the culture and get there and either leave or give in. 3. Or I suppose he doesn't go on the mission.



In the meantime, BYU might excel, Mika might go pro early, get hurt (some have postulated that Dastrup is concerned about minutes with Mika at BYU) or Ohio State might stink, get in trouble, sign 4-5 other big men, etc. A lot can happen in 2 + years including the thing that happens to most RMs that worked hard during their missions... they grow up.



This has happened to many RMs. On the football team there are currently several RM transfers for exactly this reason. Wadsworth, Reilly, and Unga all wanted the BYU experience and were all willing to risk the uncertainty of a transfer than to stay where they would have gotten plenty of PT. They are all reportedly thriving at BYU, socially, academically, and athletically (wadsworth and reilly will be big factors in special teams and the secondary depth chart next year) There are RMs that have transferred from other D1 programs without even being offered scholarships from BYU because they wanted the experience. It was clear that Taysom Hill wanted the BYU experience, but he admitted that he knew Heaps was going to BYU and that PT wasn't going to be there... then his mission happened, and Heaps transferred... enter Hill. And with hoops, the sunday issue is a big issue that some RMs realize shouldn't even be in the discussion.



I'm sure OSU has a nice campus and a decent LDS singles community... but it's not BYU. The only place you can get the full BYU experience is BYU and history has shown that we get more transfers from RMs to BYU than transfer from. Dastrup could be one of those



Dastrup eliminated ASU and Arizona before naming his top 3-4, then eliminated BYU in spite of the fact that his family is in Arizona and Utah... my biggest question is why OSU unless he wanted a good program that was far from home. He brought up NBA placement... yet ASU and Arizona were eliminated. OSU to me is a head scratcher.

beauso79 wrote:
Hopefully Ryan Andrus develops into something decent........we may need him for a year after Mika leaves on his mission



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Isaac Nielsen will be back too

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KYCoug wrote:

Bball programs aside, I can't imagine living 4-5 yrs as a single, LDS guy in Ohio. That's definitely not the same as Arizona. The kid will be in for some culture shock.

I just love cultural elitists who somehow feel the church doesn't exist outside the footprint Brother Brigham put them in. Might surprise you that OSU has a strong very vibrant LDS singles community, not like out west where you are one of a million there is a feeling of community and young people get to know each other and help each other. I think this is one thing that happens when young athletes trip to the east, they are presently surprised at how strong and vibrant the church is.



Not endorsing OSU because most major universities do have strong LDS Institute and singles programs. Just saying.

Wow, Thanks for the personal attack! I've never been to Ohio, so maybe I'm wrong and it's a Mormon Nirvana. I'm hardly a cultural elitist and I do have a bit of experience outside the Brigham bubble. I spent 4 years in Kansas City and figured Ohio would not be a lot different culturally for an LDS single guy. I loved living in KC and loved the church and the members (and nonmembers) there, but I'm just glad I was married to do it. It's not going to be what a kid from Arizona is used to. He probably thinks he lives "in the mission field", but will definitely notice a difference when he gets to Ohio. Hope he loves it.

Craigo everything you said is correct and points out the uniqueness of the Y. However, there is a temple in Ohio, there are like minded youth, but he will have to make the effort to go to them where the evil will be around him almost constantly but that is true of universities in the inner mountain west (other than the Y) as well. I was pointing out that sense he has decided for OSU he still has options for a spiritual life and a social life with like minded singles. Still I agree with you there is no other place even close to the Y. These young kids don't see all the bad influences that will be thrown at them and I'm sure they feel they are bigger than all of the evil. If they really feel they have NBA potential they may feel the draw to the big lights and big dance because lets face it, the Y doesn't have much of a track record putting players into the NBA. If they get on the mission I agree they will come back grounded and hopefully have the greater insight to see their way to the Y. To me the question is if he goes on his mission right out of HS, how much slack will OSU give an out of shape 2 years out of the game RM when everyone else coming in their program has just as much talent and comes in the program ready to eat him alive and plant him on the bench. To me that would be killer. Lets hope he see's the light before it's to late, for him and the Y.

Meh, kid's gotta go where he feels is the place for him. Good luck.

BYULV wrote:
Wow, Thanks for the personal attack! I've never been to Ohio, so maybe I'm wrong and it's a Mormon Nirvana. I'm hardly a cultural elitist and I do have a bit of experience outside the Brigham bubble. I spent 4 years in Kansas City and figured Ohio would not be a lot different culturally for an LDS single guy. I loved living in KC and loved the church and the members (and nonmembers) there, but I'm just glad I was married to do it. It's not going to be what a kid from Arizona is used to. He probably thinks he lives "in the mission field", but will definitely notice a difference when he gets to Ohio. Hope he loves it.

Sorry if that came across as a personal attack, not my intent. Having grown up in the east it easy to be over sensitive about the "we're better Mormons because we're from the west" ethos. We're all good!!!

KYCoug wrote:

Wow, Thanks for the personal attack! I've never been to Ohio, so maybe I'm wrong and it's a Mormon Nirvana. I'm hardly a cultural elitist and I do have a bit of experience outside the Brigham bubble. I spent 4 years in Kansas City and figured Ohio would not be a lot different culturally for an LDS single guy. I loved living in KC and loved the church and the members (and nonmembers) there, but I'm just glad I was married to do it. It's not going to be what a kid from Arizona is used to. He probably thinks he lives "in the mission field", but will definitely notice a difference when he gets to Ohio. Hope he loves it.

Sorry if that came across as a personal attack, not my intent. Having grown up in the east it easy to be over sensitive about the "we're better Mormons because we're from the west" ethos. We're all good!!!

No problem. We get our share of being seen as bad Mormons, we live in Las Vegas. :evil: Even the chick-fil-A guy won't let them build a franchise here because we're too sinful. :angry:

hawkwing wrote:
I feel like we get this kid.

Looks like I was right, it just took a few extra days and an odd journey to get there.

craigoscarson wrote:

BYULV wrote:
Bball programs aside, I can't imagine living 4-5 yrs as a single, LDS guy in Ohio. That's definitely not the same as Arizona. The kid will be in for some culture shock.

I just love cultural elitists who somehow feel the church doesn't exist outside the footprint Brother Brigham put them in. Might surprise you that OSU has a strong very vibrant LDS singles community, not like out west where you are one of a million there is a feeling of community and young people get to know each other and help each other. I think this is one thing that happens when young athletes trip to the east, they are presently surprised at how strong and vibrant the church is.



Not endorsing OSU because most major universities do have strong LDS Institute and singles programs. Just saying.

I feel like I can comment quite well on this, I've been at BYU and at an urban school where I was close to the hoops program both times. (Granted much closer to the hoops program at UMKC since I was on their payroll). Jeremiah Hartsock was an RM that signed with UMKC, served his mission and then played at UMKC. He admittedly thought that he'd have no problem socially before his mission and afterwards would admit he had a hard time feeling like he was fitting in, and how difficult it is to avoid temptation when you're around the rest of the team that simply have different values systems.



Payton won't be practicing with or going on roadtrips with the OSU singles community. Where he'll feel out of place the most is with his teammates and coaches. He won't have the choice of a dozen+ temples to visit within an hours drive, there won't be as many wholesome places to go with his teammates when they want to hang out, he won't have coaches that will set aside time for conference, he will be expected to play on sunday, his teammates will be drinking and having premarital sex and think he's the crazy one for not doing it (that's what a lot of people love about college). He's going to be in a land where his family and parents aren't around or even close.



Even Arizona or Arizona State would have been more comfortable for him, thriving LDS population with good institutes and beautiful young ladies. The fact that they weren't even on his final list and that BYU then wasn't the final choice, to me, makes me think this guy is a little naive OR he craves autonomy from his parents and relatives (many of which live in Utah). That autonomy will be challenged on his mission and depending on where he serves, he might be a lot less naïve in 2+ years.



Yet he's saying he's mission 1st. 1 of 2 things will happen. 1. He'll get on his mission and at some point have doubts about the decision he made, and possibly change his mind 2. He'll naively think that he can withstand the culture and get there and either leave or give in. 3. Or I suppose he doesn't go on the mission.



In the meantime, BYU might excel, Mika might go pro early, get hurt (some have postulated that Dastrup is concerned about minutes with Mika at BYU) or Ohio State might stink, get in trouble, sign 4-5 other big men, etc. A lot can happen in 2 + years including the thing that happens to most RMs that worked hard during their missions... they grow up.



This has happened to many RMs. On the football team there are currently several RM transfers for exactly this reason. Wadsworth, Reilly, and Unga all wanted the BYU experience and were all willing to risk the uncertainty of a transfer than to stay where they would have gotten plenty of PT. They are all reportedly thriving at BYU, socially, academically, and athletically (wadsworth and reilly will be big factors in special teams and the secondary depth chart next year) There are RMs that have transferred from other D1 programs without even being offered scholarships from BYU because they wanted the experience. It was clear that Taysom Hill wanted the BYU experience, but he admitted that he knew Heaps was going to BYU and that PT wasn't going to be there... then his mission happened, and Heaps transferred... enter Hill. And with hoops, the sunday issue is a big issue that some RMs realize shouldn't even be in the discussion.



I'm sure OSU has a nice campus and a decent LDS singles community... but it's not BYU. The only place you can get the full BYU experience is BYU and history has shown that we get more transfers from RMs to BYU than transfer from. Dastrup could be one of those



Dastrup eliminated ASU and Arizona before naming his top 3-4, then eliminated BYU in spite of the fact that his family is in Arizona and Utah... my biggest question is why OSU unless he wanted a good program that was far from home. He brought up NBA placement... yet ASU and Arizona were eliminated. OSU to me is a head scratcher.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Payton read this comment, and this is what made him re-think his decision. Actually very well thought out.

OSU has a nice campus, until you factor in crime etc. As for singles community....maybe 20-30 in attendance each week at church? And that includes kids like me who make the 90 minute trip from Dayton, Cincy, Akron etc. to find a bigger group to be with.



If you're looking for a big, strong, active LDS singles community, from my 7 years living in Ohio, Ohio is not the state to find it in.

Dear fans who posted negative comments about Payton after he committed to OSU; shame shame shame. Do you still hold those same judgements now that he's a cougar? :whistle:



Fans will be fans :sick:

Schmoe wrote:
Meh, kid's gotta go where he feels is the place for him. Good luck.

I stand by my statement (but much more happily now).

Schmoe wrote:

Meh, kid's gotta go where he feels is the place for him. Good luck.

I stand by my statement (but much more happily now).

And you should. Your statement was a candidate for most appropriate.



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This may get me in trouble, so let me first remind



I went to BYU by accident, did not deserve to be there, felt constrained and restrained by rules, could hardly wait to leave. Went to U for MBA. Liked it better there.



But, I never could forget people like W. Cleon Skousen even though I was totally inactive as a Church member.



Years later, I know why the Lord put me there.



I have lived in Utah from birth and outside of Utah since my MBA except for 2 years working in SLC. And I have liked every place I have lived. Love Utah too.





I am sure the Lord has different reasons for putting P. Dastrup there.



Nothing against OSU. Just part of a bigger plan. Probably re meeting his future wife. But, who knows.



He made a decision well thoughr out in his mind based on facts and business sense and chose Ohio State.



Then he listened to The Spirit. There. I said it. It was not $ and cents. It was not playing time. It was Spiritual.



News articles reported that he felt something was missing right after committing to The OSU. He was Spiritual enough to ponder that. Buyers Remorse. No. It did not wear off. He pondered it over the weekend. Might have gotten down on his knees and talked to his Heavenly Father about it. There, I said it.



He called BYU on Monday. IDK if it was before or after The Stanford game. Definitely after the Weber State game. He probably saw that those were on ESPN. Maybe even watched one or both. Say BYU players in action. Maybe was reminded of the fit.



Spiritual decision. Kudos to him for recognizing what that feelling that something was missing meant.



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KYCoug wrote:

Bball programs aside, I can't imagine living 4-5 yrs as a single, LDS guy in Ohio. That's definitely not the same as Arizona. The kid will be in for some culture shock.

I just love cultural elitists who somehow feel the church doesn't exist outside the footprint Brother Brigham put them in. Might surprise you that OSU has a strong very vibrant LDS singles community, not like out west where you are one of a million there is a feeling of community and young people get to know each other and help each other. I think this is one thing that happens when young athletes trip to the east, they are presently surprised at how strong and vibrant the church is.



Not endorsing OSU because most major universities do have strong LDS Institute and singles programs. Just saying.

I feel like I can comment quite well on this, I've been at BYU and at an urban school where I was close to the hoops program both times. (Granted much closer to the hoops program at UMKC since I was on their payroll). Jeremiah Hartsock was an RM that signed with UMKC, served his mission and then played at UMKC. He admittedly thought that he'd have no problem socially before his mission and afterwards would admit he had a hard time feeling like he was fitting in, and how difficult it is to avoid temptation when you're around the rest of the team that simply have different values systems.



Payton won't be practicing with or going on roadtrips with the OSU singles community. Where he'll feel out of place the most is with his teammates and coaches. He won't have the choice of a dozen+ temples to visit within an hours drive, there won't be as many wholesome places to go with his teammates when they want to hang out, he won't have coaches that will set aside time for conference, he will be expected to play on sunday, his teammates will be drinking and having premarital sex and think he's the crazy one for not doing it (that's what a lot of people love about college). He's going to be in a land where his family and parents aren't around or even close.



Even Arizona or Arizona State would have been more comfortable for him, thriving LDS population with good institutes and beautiful young ladies. The fact that they weren't even on his final list and that BYU then wasn't the final choice, to me, makes me think this guy is a little naive OR he craves autonomy from his parents and relatives (many of which live in Utah). That autonomy will be challenged on his mission and depending on where he serves, he might be a lot less naïve in 2+ years.



Yet he's saying he's mission 1st. 1 of 2 things will happen. 1. He'll get on his mission and at some point have doubts about the decision he made, and possibly change his mind 2. He'll naively think that he can withstand the culture and get there and either leave or give in. 3. Or I suppose he doesn't go on the mission.



In the meantime, BYU might excel, Mika might go pro early, get hurt (some have postulated that Dastrup is concerned about minutes with Mika at BYU) or Ohio State might stink, get in trouble, sign 4-5 other big men, etc. A lot can happen in 2 + years including the thing that happens to most RMs that worked hard during their missions... they grow up.



This has happened to many RMs. On the football team there are currently several RM transfers for exactly this reason. Wadsworth, Reilly, and Unga all wanted the BYU experience and were all willing to risk the uncertainty of a transfer than to stay where they would have gotten plenty of PT. They are all reportedly thriving at BYU, socially, academically, and athletically (wadsworth and reilly will be big factors in special teams and the secondary depth chart next year) There are RMs that have transferred from other D1 programs without even being offered scholarships from BYU because they wanted the experience. It was clear that Taysom Hill wanted the BYU experience, but he admitted that he knew Heaps was going to BYU and that PT wasn't going to be there... then his mission happened, and Heaps transferred... enter Hill. And with hoops, the sunday issue is a big issue that some RMs realize shouldn't even be in the discussion.



I'm sure OSU has a nice campus and a decent LDS singles community... but it's not BYU. The only place you can get the full BYU experience is BYU and history has shown that we get more transfers from RMs to BYU than transfer from. Dastrup could be one of those



Dastrup eliminated ASU and Arizona before naming his top 3-4, then eliminated BYU in spite of the fact that his family is in Arizona and Utah... my biggest question is why OSU unless he wanted a good program that was far from home. He brought up NBA placement... yet ASU and Arizona were eliminated. OSU to me is a head scratcher.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Payton read this comment, and this is what made him re-think his decision. Actually very well thought out.

It's a thought I think all the RMs in his family likely shared with him too. We just don't lose guys that truly intend on serving missions very much. My thoughts were not unique and I have a feeling that his commitment suprised his family as much as anyone else and some decided to get in his head and let him know that the ink is not yet dry and he might want to reconsider.



Good for him; I don't think for one minute that he'll regret it. It was a good day for it to happen as it stole all the thunder from Utahs 1st decent recruiting class in a decade. Very exited for BYU, Payton, and the future of BYU hoops.

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Recruiting rankings from ESPN

BYU 24 Does not include PD yet

Utah 30