Interesting Quitingham quote

Cougs_rule do you read what I write? I go after Utah fans hard when they disparage my religion I just do so from a different angle. I don't go after them with scripture but with logic and reasoning. I ask them questions that eventually pin them on their own words. At that point they generally realize that they've been jerkbags and usually apologize.



I recall during my undergrad a few years ago when someone started to mock the LDS faith. I asked them if they knew that Mormons started this school, that a Mormon heads the football team, that a converted Mormon was one of the best football players to play at Utah (Weddle), we were also on generally good terms and I then asked him if he knew that I was an active member of the LDS faith. He then promptly apologized and said that he didn't realize any of those things, though I made it apparent I was LDS from the beginning by saying I never drank, smoke, chugged coffee, etc. Most fans and students I know are like this. If you approach them kindly and acknowledge your own faults and the faults of others nominally like you (read other Mormons) they generally silence their rhetoric and you end up on friendlier terms.



It's a matter of approach. I approach BYU fans with religion and logic because that is what they respond to. I approach U fans with logic and much broader moral reasoning because that is what they respond to.



Also, I apologize for not responding to you at your convenience. I have other constraints on my time that preclude me from following this board day and night.

Is there a way to unfollow threads? I'm being serious here. This thread is a dumpster fire.

If you're talking about email updates when someone posts on it, you can click "Unsubscribe Topic" at the bottom of the page.

I'm wondering about the new since last visited icon. It's fine if I can't... I just have to remember not to click on it. i think I can manage that. :)

When you've clicked all the topics you want to read, simply click the "mark all topics as read" option on the forum page.

Genius!!!

ByUte1315 wrote:
Cougs_rule do you read what I write? I go after Utah fans hard when they disparage my religion I just do so from a different angle. I don't go after them with scripture but with logic and reasoning. I ask them questions that eventually pin them on their own words. At that point they generally realize that they've been jerkbags and usually apologize.



I recall during my undergrad a few years ago when someone started to mock the LDS faith. I asked them if they knew that Mormons started this school, that a Mormon heads the football team, that a converted Mormon was one of the best football players to play at Utah (Weddle), we were also on generally good terms and I then asked him if he knew that I was an active member of the LDS faith. He then promptly apologized and said that he didn't realize any of those things, though I made it apparent I was LDS from the beginning by saying I never drank, smoke, chugged coffee, etc. Most fans and students I know are like this. If you approach them kindly and acknowledge your own faults and the faults of others nominally like you (read other Mormons) they generally silence their rhetoric and you end up on friendlier terms.



It's a matter of approach. I approach BYU fans with religion and logic because that is what they respond to. I approach U fans with logic and much broader moral reasoning because that is what they respond to.



Also, I apologize for not responding to you at your convenience. I have other constraints on my time that preclude me from following this board day and night.

My bad. Good for you. You seem to me to be a rarity. I have not encountered many of you.



My last trip to RES was my last trip to RES. it was astounding to see the difference between the nice drunks and the mean drunks. I minded my manners that day, making friends with all the drunk people. I did chase off two teenage BYU fans who were obnoxious and drawing serious ire and some thrown objects. I didn't even want to be in the same vicinity as those idiots. That scored some points with the few non-drunk fans as well as the drunk ones.

But the most amazing (really the only amazing) thing was being so close to Johhny when he caught THE PASS from John Beck.

That pass sobered up the crowd.



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I would like to take this opportunity to publicly apologize to all the good Ute fans who I may have lumped in together with the bad in the past. LDS or non-LDS there are many really great people who cheer for the University of Utah and it is unfair and unkind to paint the same broad brush as the classless members of their fanbase. Anyone who was offended you have my sincerest apologies. It's those good members of the fan base that I want to be the most vocal and active here and in the state at large and some of my comments may cause them to do the opposite.

hawkwing wrote:
I would like to take this opportunity to publicly apologize to all the good Ute fans who I may have lumped in together with the bad in the past. LDS or non-LDS there are many really great people who cheer for the University of Utah and it is unfair and unkind to paint the same broad brush as the classless members of their fanbase. Anyone who was offended you have my sincerest apologies. It's those good members of the fan base that I want to be the most vocal and active here and in the state at large and some of my comments may cause them to do the opposite.

Not a Ute fan, but nice thoughts. There are some good Utes too.

NDCougar wrote:

I would like to take this opportunity to publicly apologize to all the good Ute fans who I may have lumped in together with the bad in the past. LDS or non-LDS there are many really great people who cheer for the University of Utah and it is unfair and unkind to paint the same broad brush as the classless members of their fanbase. Anyone who was offended you have my sincerest apologies. It's those good members of the fan base that I want to be the most vocal and active here and in the state at large and some of my comments may cause them to do the opposite.

Not a Ute fan, but nice thoughts. There are some good Utes too.

I don't, and never had had any problems with ND fans. When I went to ND last year we were treated with a great deal of respect and kindness. Nothing but the best to ND.

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
I would like to take this opportunity to publicly apologize to all the good Ute fans who I may have lumped in together with the bad in the past. LDS or non-LDS there are many really great people who cheer for the University of Utah and it is unfair and unkind to paint the same broad brush as the classless members of their fanbase. Anyone who was offended you have my sincerest apologies. It's those good members of the fan base that I want to be the most vocal and active here and in the state at large and some of my comments may cause them to do the opposite.

Not a Ute fan, but nice thoughts. There are some good Utes too.

I don't, and never had had any problems with ND fans. When I went to ND last year we were treated with a great deal of respect and kindness. Nothing but the best to ND.

We pride ourselves on it. When there are fans out of line (there are fans out of line at every school) other fans jump in to remedy the situation.



Hands down the most respectable opposing fans on their home field were OU fans. Worst LSU.



Should be a good game this year, still deciding if I go or not.....

Fido wrote:

nickdutson wrote:

Amen. He punched his ticket for a contract extension with this win and that's what he's gloating about. Most Ute fans only care that "their team" sticks it to the LDS church. His team accomplished that again. He's a happy man right now and should be I guess.

what a stupid comment. Most fans are LDS and I'm sure the fans are happy to stick it to fans like you and your stereotypes.

I would love to see the numbers here. Perhaps the students are LDS but the U has always been the anti-LDS' tool for spitting in the face of the church. If you have a problem with Mormons and live in Utah you are a Ute fan 100% of the time. I would LOVE to see the exception to this rule. Thank the Lord I no longer live in the bubble, but I spent enough years in Utah to master both the culture and the nuances of fandom among the residents.

How presumptuous of you. Did you spend ANY time in Utah north of point of the mountain? U of U has one of the largest LDS institute programs anywhere. Come to church with me sometime in Davis County. You will see "red" LDS members outnumber "blue" ones probably 4:1. They are better people than some I see representing BYU on the various message boards. People with attitudes like this embarass both the university and the church as it runs counter to the mission of both.

As a matter of fact yes I did. I took a whole year off from BYU and attended the U institute classes regularly. I thought it was excellent and the attendance seemed solid. Pretty much all of my friends in the singles ward were Utes and they were great people. But that is not my point. The institution up there is the anti-Mormon's 1st choice barnone. I did not say there aren't good Mormons at the U--I said the U is the home of those who have a problem with the church and that is a fact.

Where else are they supposed to go? The U is state owned school and can't say anti religion can't go to school there.

Fido wrote:
You are worried about calling out Ute fans for their behavior? I'll bet you were an honor code snitch too, right? lol

Just read this post. Not sure what it means.

NDCougar wrote:
What specifically is a cop out? No one is letting the Ute fans that have issues off the hook, I am simply saying to paint every Ute fan as the same is idiotic. Should we paint every BYU fan as the fans berating the officials and throwing drinks? There are a lot more good fans than bad fans, you don't notice the good fans. Why can't a fan cheer in a respectful way for their school. I see a lot of BYU fans give a pass to BYU fans who act inappropriately, but want to classify every Utah fan as the same based on a few bad fans.

What I'm pointing out is that, to say "every team has bad fans" really doesn't touch on the important difference between the bad Ute fans and the bad BYU fans. Like I said, the bad Ute fans are far more in number, and far worse in behavior, than the bad BYU fans. So, to attempt to draw some comparison is absurd.



Now, one may say that it should be that way because of BYU's higher standards. And they would be absolutely right. Of course BYU, on average, is going to have a better acting fan base than the non-Mormons, jack-Mormons, and ex-Mormons that make up most of the present day Ute fan base. Which is why I don't have that much of a problem with them. You can't blame them for acting like that any more than you can blame a baboon for acting like a baboon. It's the LDS Ute fans who convince themselves that the 2013 U of U is the same as the 1913 U of U that annoy me.

They remind me of the Missourians of the 1830s.



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