BYU vs Stanford (& Pac 12 refs)

Interesting stats - BYU shoots 54% from the field and 53% from 3 pt. land. Just need to bone up on FT.

This team is going to be fun to watch. They still have room to grow but I have high expectations. I like the depth across the board!



Go Cougs!



L Hatton

Louisville, KY

I think this is a record for number of pages on a basketball post on CC this early in the season. Love the enthusiasm! Go Cougars!

I love love love the half court off, working from the inside out way it should be...great start to the season..These are the wins we need to pile up for march...

Yep, the refs sucked... welcome to college road games (it's hard to win on the road) and we wont because we're tough.



This team is tough. When is the last time our team fought like this for rebounds? Mika and KC have really elevated our toughness.



KC really scares me still with his decision making, but he is tough. Tough to guard and tough on D. He's the biggest reason this years team is better than last year. Give up Davies and add Worthington and Mika might be a wash (better defensively, worse offensively) but KC is so much better than Zylstra, it's not even close. What I like most about having KC handle the ball is that he's a soph and in 3 years from now he's going to be silly good, even next year with Haws, Carlino, KC, Halford, Winder, Bartley... our guards are going to be amazing.



Carlino needs to play reckless, when he does he plays hard and he doesn't think too much. When he has to think, he overthinks and makes mistakes. Let him play like this and by next year, you might be seeing those Jimmer comparisons seem realistic.



Mika is raw, but he brings toughness to this team. Stanford is big, in fact they're bigger on average than Gonzaga and Mika had no problem with their physicality. But the best thing about Mika is how he runs the floor, because if he does this, Gonzaga can't afford to keep their oaf of a 7 footer on the floor, same for St. Marys and their oaf... they get tired and they can't run.



Good game tonight... I want to see more Halford on the floor!! The guy doesn't make mistakes, doesn't take bad shots and is in the right place at the right time defensively. He is still being underutilized.

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Stanford is a team loaded with seniors that went to the 2nd round of the NIT last year. It seemed easy to beat them at their place, but they will be a top 50 RPI team this year. Very good win and on the road to boot.

Players wil need to fight for playing time. Much improved bench.



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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/24/year/2013/stanford-cardinal



Stanford is a team loaded with seniors that went to the 2nd round of the NIT last year. It seemed easy to beat them at their place, but they will be a top 50 RPI team this year. Very good win and on the road to boot.

Dropped over a hundred on them.



I loved seeing our bench come in and not only hang with them but expand the lead. Some great potential.



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Only got to see last 8 minutes. I was at a business dinner in SoCal. But wow! When's the last time you've seen any college hoops team drop 110? The rule change will definitely help BYU and Haws in particular. The WCC refs will not be able to sin by omission and with impunity by letting WCC teams best the slobber out of our players.

Great win! Better garner attention from poll voters. Computers will at least show the love. But who knows, media and pollsters are drooling over Kansas and wiggins, Kentucky, Duke and JP (should be a great match up tonight,admittedly) and Mich State, blah, blah. I hope they noticed the Kitties from BYU have some game too!!



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Man......I'd like to see Halford on the floor more as well but the guy can't pass up OPEN 3's like he did last night. We brought him in to shoot 3's so fire away dude.



It's GREAT for our team that we've replaced Zylstra with KC and Cusick with a healthy Winder/Halford

Because I'm in an "antenna-only" tv mode right now, I was only able to listen to the game last night. Greg Wrubell rocks!



One thing I really noticed - although Greg Wrubell is obviously a fan of BYU, he is generally very balanced in his view of things like the referees. Yet he was stating over and over how poor the referees were, allowing Stanford to beat up on Haws, for example, and then calling ticky-tack calls on the other end. For those of you able to watch the game, was it this bad? If so, kudos to the Cougs for overcoming and winning in impressive style despite the bad calls.



It was obvious that the Cougars have a strong bench. With Carlino and Haws both out of the game with foul trouble in the first half, the team just kept scoring.



I thought I might fall asleep while listening, but no way! It made for a late night in the Central time zone. :bug: (This is me trying to stay awake today.)

The ESPN guys were VERY good to us. They went on and on about how fast we played and how our guards would score on you, etc. Seemed like the one was captivated by Carlino, with the whole "Matty Basketball" and everything.

IowaCougar wrote:
Because I'm in an "antenna-only" tv mode right now, I was only able to listen to the game last night. Greg Wrubell rocks!



One thing I really noticed - although Greg Wrubell is obviously a fan of BYU, he is generally very balanced in his view of things like the referees. Yet he was stating over and over how poor the referees were, allowing Stanford to beat up on Haws, for example, and then calling ticky-tack calls on the other end. For those of you able to watch the game, was it this bad? If so, kudos to the Cougs for overcoming and winning in impressive style despite the bad calls.



It was obvious that the Cougars have a strong bench. With Carlino and Haws both out of the game with foul trouble in the first half, the team just kept scoring.



I thought I might fall asleep while listening, but no way! It made for a late night in the Central time zone. :bug: (This is me trying to stay awake today.)

It was bad in the first half. After Rose called them out it got a little better. Stanford players were crashing into our guys while we could barely breathe. Refs did not want to call any offensive fouls. That was very apparent, for both teams.



And why the one Stanford player wasn't T'd up for rushing down the court and shoving Mika while Mika was walking to the line, I don't know.



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Gunk wrote:

Because I'm in an "antenna-only" tv mode right now, I was only able to listen to the game last night. Greg Wrubell rocks!



One thing I really noticed - although Greg Wrubell is obviously a fan of BYU, he is generally very balanced in his view of things like the referees. Yet he was stating over and over how poor the referees were, allowing Stanford to beat up on Haws, for example, and then calling ticky-tack calls on the other end. For those of you able to watch the game, was it this bad? If so, kudos to the Cougs for overcoming and winning in impressive style despite the bad calls.



It was obvious that the Cougars have a strong bench. With Carlino and Haws both out of the game with foul trouble in the first half, the team just kept scoring.



I thought I might fall asleep while listening, but no way! It made for a late night in the Central time zone. :bug: (This is me trying to stay awake today.)

It was bad in the first half. After Rose called them out it got a little better. Stanford players were crashing into our guys while we could barely breathe. Refs did not want to call any offensive fouls. That was very apparent, for both teams.



And why the one Stanford player wasn't T'd up for rushing down the court and shoving Mika while Mika was walking to the line, I don't know.



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Good point. I'm glad the NCAA made the change about block/charges--it had made games unwatchable, almost like soccer, with all of the diving on the floor. But the no hands rule is pretty weak--although it's going to win us ball games. Especially since nobody on our schedule can stop Haws in the middle without keeping hands on him.

mizzoucoug wrote:

IowaCougar wrote:
Because I'm in an "antenna-only" tv mode right now, I was only able to listen to the game last night. Greg Wrubell rocks!



One thing I really noticed - although Greg Wrubell is obviously a fan of BYU, he is generally very balanced in his view of things like the referees. Yet he was stating over and over how poor the referees were, allowing Stanford to beat up on Haws, for example, and then calling ticky-tack calls on the other end. For those of you able to watch the game, was it this bad? If so, kudos to the Cougs for overcoming and winning in impressive style despite the bad calls.



It was obvious that the Cougars have a strong bench. With Carlino and Haws both out of the game with foul trouble in the first half, the team just kept scoring.



I thought I might fall asleep while listening, but no way! It made for a late night in the Central time zone. :bug: (This is me trying to stay awake today.)

It was bad in the first half. After Rose called them out it got a little better. Stanford players were crashing into our guys while we could barely breathe. Refs did not want to call any offensive fouls. That was very apparent, for both teams.



And why the one Stanford player wasn't T'd up for rushing down the court and shoving Mika while Mika was walking to the line, I don't know.



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Good point. I'm glad the NCAA made the change about block/charges--it had made games unwatchable, almost like soccer, with all of the diving on the floor. But the no hands rule is pretty weak--although it's going to win us ball games. Especially since nobody on our schedule can stop Haws in the middle without keeping hands on him.

The refs still have to see it and call it. I have no doubt we'll get an unevenly called game a time or two this year. I worry that the refs have more potential to influence a game one way or another than they ever had before. There were a lot of calls last night that I couldn't even see contact. It was a little strange.

BYULV wrote:

Gunk wrote:

Because I'm in an "antenna-only" tv mode right now, I was only able to listen to the game last night. Greg Wrubell rocks!



One thing I really noticed - although Greg Wrubell is obviously a fan of BYU, he is generally very balanced in his view of things like the referees. Yet he was stating over and over how poor the referees were, allowing Stanford to beat up on Haws, for example, and then calling ticky-tack calls on the other end. For those of you able to watch the game, was it this bad? If so, kudos to the Cougs for overcoming and winning in impressive style despite the bad calls.



It was obvious that the Cougars have a strong bench. With Carlino and Haws both out of the game with foul trouble in the first half, the team just kept scoring.



I thought I might fall asleep while listening, but no way! It made for a late night in the Central time zone. :bug: (This is me trying to stay awake today.)

It was bad in the first half. After Rose called them out it got a little better. Stanford players were crashing into our guys while we could barely breathe. Refs did not want to call any offensive fouls. That was very apparent, for both teams.



And why the one Stanford player wasn't T'd up for rushing down the court and shoving Mika while Mika was walking to the line, I don't know.



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Good point. I'm glad the NCAA made the change about block/charges--it had made games unwatchable, almost like soccer, with all of the diving on the floor. But the no hands rule is pretty weak--although it's going to win us ball games. Especially since nobody on our schedule can stop Haws in the middle without keeping hands on him.

The refs still have to see it and call it. I have no doubt we'll get an unevenly called game a time or two this year. I worry that the refs have more potential to influence a game one way or another than they ever had before. There were a lot of calls last night that I couldn't even see contact. It was a little strange.

To me, it was the calls that they missed that smelled like Pac 10.2 favoritism. A couple of our guys (including Tyler) were deliberately pushed to the ground with no call or no attention given, yet Stanford ran to their guys defense when Mika only push a guys hands off of him. (Mika was obviously upset that he didn't get the rim rattling dunk, but whatever, I like the fire.) If I were an opposing coach, I'd do the same thing. Best chance to win is to get BYU out of their comfort zone, either punch them in the face or commit 4 guys to getting back in transition after every shot, made or unmade; and force BYU into a half court offense.

craigoscarson wrote:

mizzoucoug wrote:

IowaCougar wrote:
Because I'm in an "antenna-only" tv mode right now, I was only able to listen to the game last night. Greg Wrubell rocks!



One thing I really noticed - although Greg Wrubell is obviously a fan of BYU, he is generally very balanced in his view of things like the referees. Yet he was stating over and over how poor the referees were, allowing Stanford to beat up on Haws, for example, and then calling ticky-tack calls on the other end. For those of you able to watch the game, was it this bad? If so, kudos to the Cougs for overcoming and winning in impressive style despite the bad calls.



It was obvious that the Cougars have a strong bench. With Carlino and Haws both out of the game with foul trouble in the first half, the team just kept scoring.



I thought I might fall asleep while listening, but no way! It made for a late night in the Central time zone. :bug: (This is me trying to stay awake today.)

It was bad in the first half. After Rose called them out it got a little better. Stanford players were crashing into our guys while we could barely breathe. Refs did not want to call any offensive fouls. That was very apparent, for both teams.



And why the one Stanford player wasn't T'd up for rushing down the court and shoving Mika while Mika was walking to the line, I don't know.



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Good point. I'm glad the NCAA made the change about block/charges--it had made games unwatchable, almost like soccer, with all of the diving on the floor. But the no hands rule is pretty weak--although it's going to win us ball games. Especially since nobody on our schedule can stop Haws in the middle without keeping hands on him.

The refs still have to see it and call it. I have no doubt we'll get an unevenly called game a time or two this year. I worry that the refs have more potential to influence a game one way or another than they ever had before. There were a lot of calls last night that I couldn't even see contact. It was a little strange.

(Mika was obviously upset that he didn't get the rim rattling dunk, but whatever, I like the fire.)

Has Mika even had a dunk yet this year? I've seen him miss 2 already--I'm a little worried that my long-held theory about otherwise good leapers losing their hops upon arrival at BYU is true yet again.

Thanks for the feedback. I think with more even handed refs, the new rule interpretation may prevent the "beat up Haws" defense from being utilized so much this year. Time will tell.

IowaCougar wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. I think with more even handed refs, the new rule interpretation may prevent the "beat up Haws" defense from being utilized so much this year. Time will tell.

I think so too, but refs aren't consistent one group to another. A couple years ago they went foul call crazy in the noncom and it was nonexistent in the conference slate into the tourney. You're not going to change refs that have coached for 20+ years over night.

mizzoucoug wrote:

BYULV wrote:

Gunk wrote:

Because I'm in an "antenna-only" tv mode right now, I was only able to listen to the game last night. Greg Wrubell rocks!



One thing I really noticed - although Greg Wrubell is obviously a fan of BYU, he is generally very balanced in his view of things like the referees. Yet he was stating over and over how poor the referees were, allowing Stanford to beat up on Haws, for example, and then calling ticky-tack calls on the other end. For those of you able to watch the game, was it this bad? If so, kudos to the Cougs for overcoming and winning in impressive style despite the bad calls.



It was obvious that the Cougars have a strong bench. With Carlino and Haws both out of the game with foul trouble in the first half, the team just kept scoring.



I thought I might fall asleep while listening, but no way! It made for a late night in the Central time zone. :bug: (This is me trying to stay awake today.)

It was bad in the first half. After Rose called them out it got a little better. Stanford players were crashing into our guys while we could barely breathe. Refs did not want to call any offensive fouls. That was very apparent, for both teams.



And why the one Stanford player wasn't T'd up for rushing down the court and shoving Mika while Mika was walking to the line, I don't know.



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Good point. I'm glad the NCAA made the change about block/charges--it had made games unwatchable, almost like soccer, with all of the diving on the floor. But the no hands rule is pretty weak--although it's going to win us ball games. Especially since nobody on our schedule can stop Haws in the middle without keeping hands on him.

The refs still have to see it and call it. I have no doubt we'll get an unevenly called game a time or two this year. I worry that the refs have more potential to influence a game one way or another than they ever had before. There were a lot of calls last night that I couldn't even see contact. It was a little strange.

(Mika was obviously upset that he didn't get the rim rattling dunk, but whatever, I like the fire.)

Has Mika even had a dunk yet this year? I've seen him miss 2 already--I'm a little worried that my long-held theory about otherwise good leapers losing their hops upon arrival at BYU is true yet again.

Yes, he has. I think he had one against Weber.



Don't think the leaping is an issue with. Getting fouled and timing may be factors, though.