ridiculous

One valid point was made. It is virtually impossible to know the intent of the ISU player. In the still photo in isolation, he looks guilty as heckck. In the video in flow, harder to judge intent. Impossible to know imho.



Iirc, Mika starts to take the ball up, fakes, pulls it down to go back up. The ISU guy might have bought the pump fake and jabbed for where he thought the ball was headed and when Mika pulled it back - clearly hands in face with ball nowhere in sight.



It may have been intentional. It may have been unintentional. Only God and the ISU player knows.



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Utahforlife wrote:

Forced/coached (and repeated behavior--from last year) confessions to avoid or mitigate potential punishments don't count. Hoyberg just lives with it, justifying, albeit quietly, either by total denial or that he is saving these kids from their abject circumstances and "developing their character." He won't be disciplining his players.

Yeah, sort of like that time in 1999 when that representative from BYU,albeit a fan, was forced/coached to attack a ute cheerleader....what a classless fan base, what a bunch of thugs....they should be banned from all sports

Wow! Must be a troll with a U education. Seeing two entirely different things as the same. One was repeated behaviour, the other was a one time incident. One was a mamber of the team, over whom the coach has control, repeating something that should have been very well covered in team meetings after the first incident, the other was a fan, over whom the coach, the team, the school has no direct control before the incident. We all know that it was very well covered after there was something to deal with.

Utahforlife wrote:

Utahforlife wrote:

Forced/coached (and repeated behavior--from last year) confessions to avoid or mitigate potential punishments don't count. Hoyberg just lives with it, justifying, albeit quietly, either by total denial or that he is saving these kids from their abject circumstances and "developing their character." He won't be disciplining his players.

Yeah, sort of like that time in 1999 when that representative from BYU,albeit a fan, was forced/coached to attack a ute cheerleader....what a classless fan base, what a bunch of thugs....they should be banned from all sports

Ah yes, the old "there are some bad fans in every fanbase, so every fanbase and program has the exact same amount of class" argument.

Oh, don't worry the actions of the fans and derogatory comments made about a few individuals clearly proves the level of class that exists with members of the BYU fan base, it's common knowledge that these knuckleheads exist everywhere. Forgetting at times you are guilty of that behavior is what often ended a further notice



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There is certainly a huge difference between what a fan does and what members of a team, who should be taught discipline by their coach, do in a game.

True, BYU players aren't perfect, but repeated obscene gestures from the players are not tolerated, and I've never seen a BYU player intentionally gouge an opponent's eyes, although I've seen it happen to two BYU players. And don't claim that I can't tell it was intentional; the ball was below Lika's waist, and he was looking directly into Mika's face as he attacked it with both hands.

snoscythe wrote:

:skeptic: Dude, make sense.

Based upon his communications skills, I'm worried this guy might be having a stroke.



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No, just a U :utard: education.

I get that people make mistakes, we all do. IMO, though, it's one thing to make a mistake and at least make an attempt at taking some responsibility for it versus excusing the behavior.



In the heat of the moment, an ISU player flipped off the student section. Mistake made. He then apologized for it. Good on him. His coach should follow his example as his coach bares some responsibility for the behavior of his team (2nd year in a row one of his players has done such). The coach should reprimand his player, but so far hasn't.



In the heat of the moment, an ISU player made a poor play and maimed a player. Whether accidental or not, he should apologize for it. That's the classy thing to do. I don't accidentally hit someone's car and then take no responsibility for it because it was an "accident." At the very least the classy thing to do would be for ISU's coach to say he was sorry and wish Mika a quick recovery. Is that so hard? Apparently for ISU it is.



It's not so much that poor decisions were made, it's the pretending that they weren't.



A dumb BYU fan attacked a Ute cheerleader (I saw it first hand). BYU apologized, banned the dumb student from the stadium and beefed up security. What more do people want?

Gunk--good response. I agree. I find it ironic what these anti-BYU posters think. Specifically, I have yet to find a BYU fan who thinks BYU fans are perfect. The only ones who think that we think that are the anti-BYU trolls. It is not too dissimilar from the anti-mormons who are the only ones who think that no church leader has ever made a mistake and then when they find out to the contrary think it is the biggest deal since sliced bread. I have yet to meet a faithful member who thinks that though. Perhaps I'm wrong, but the members I know think the church is for the perfecting of the Saints not the perfected Saints. It is so odd this disconnect.

BoiseBYU wrote:
Gunk--good response. I agree. I find it ironic what these anti-BYU posters think. Specifically, I have yet to find a BYU fan who thinks BYU fans are perfect. The only ones who think that we think that are the anti-BYU trolls. It is not too dissimilar from the anti-mormons who are the only ones who think that no church leader has ever made a mistake and then when they find out to the contrary think it is the biggest deal since sliced bread. I have yet to meet a faithful member who thinks that though. Perhaps I'm wrong, but the members I know think the church is for the perfecting of the Saints not the perfected Saints. It is so odd this disconnect.

Sadly, I do know a few who for whatever reason aren't able to separate the two and are no longer active.



Church made up of volunteers and imperfect people trying to do the best they can.



I remember when I was called to the bishopric and the new bishop completely changed how things were done as that is what he felt inspired to do. The old bishop had obviously felt just as inspired to run things how he did. Some couldn't grasp that. In their mind if the spirit were true then there would only be one "inspired" way to do things.

Cougarbib wrote:
One valid point was made. It is virtually impossible to know the intent of the ISU player. In the still photo in isolation, he looks guilty as heckck. In the video in flow, harder to judge intent. Impossible to know imho.



Iirc, Mika starts to take the ball up, fakes, pulls it down to go back up. The ISU guy might have bought the pump fake and jabbed for where he thought the ball was headed and when Mika pulled it back - clearly hands in face with ball nowhere in sight.



It may have been intentional. It may have been unintentional. Only God and the ISU player knows.



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This is what I was trying to say, but you did a WAY better job than I did.

Utahforlife wrote:

Utahforlife wrote:

saywhat wrote:
There is always the one about BYU letting their thug players have baby mamas, after baby mamas....

Hello again utahforlife.

I can assure you I do not have multiple logins....

I can assure you that you do have multiple logins.

Not sure why I am responding, other than to say I absolutely don't. Insisting that I do shows your credibility...



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That's rich. The guy (or girl) who has a whole what 13 posts, and is on a rivals forum trying to establish who is credible.

Let me ask you this Utahforlife-



Had Mika done the same thing to your center would you be "ok" with it as you are asking BYU to be? Or would you be bemoaning that those "holier than thou" cougars are hypocritical and dirty...

Let's just back up a little. A Utah fan, where BYU has not played any Utah team in months, is trolling a BYU message board. Once little brother, always little brother.

Utahforlife wrote:

Utahforlife wrote:

saywhat wrote:
There is always the one about BYU letting their thug players have baby mamas, after baby mamas....

Hello again utahforlife.

I can assure you I do not have multiple logins....

I can assure you that you do have multiple logins.

Not sure why I am responding, other than to say I absolutely don't. Insisting that I do shows your credibility...



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This thread's title sums up the ongoing pissing match in this thread. Troll or not, I do commend you on your Pro Life stance in your moniker. Not an easy thing to openly put out there in today's PC world. Again, I commend you for your stance. Now it is time to move on to the Texas game and hopefully Wichita State on Tuesday. Please feel free to visit and discuss the Utah game in a few weeks. Utes might be undefeated going into that game unless one of those JC's pull off the upset ;)

Utahforlife wrote:



If course I can tell you it wasn't intentional. You have absolutely no evidence to suggest otherwise. Believing you know an individual's intent, without said individual disclosing it to you, makes you a) god or b) foolish at best.



The fact that it's not a matter of public discourse throughout the basketball community is proof that it's clear it was an accident, and not intentional as thus stated. To continue to perpetuate the libel makes you as thuggish as the one you chastise. Period, end of story.



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Seems like a contradiction. If I'm reading this correctly, you just defined yourself as non credible... seeing as how you are demanding that you and only you knows the facts.



And your speculation (you've proven nothing except that by your own definition {e.g.-insisting on something makes you less credible} you are uncredible) is no more correct than any other speculation thrown out there so far claiming Kane DID gouge intentionally. What BYU fans have provided are pictures which show Kane with fingers in Mika's eyes and the basketball a whole 2 feet away from Mika's non moving head. How does Kane muster enough coordination to make it at this level if he's poking fingers first at someone's face but meant to hit a ball (usually your arms are coming DOWN while swiping you moron).



Take some of your own advice, chill, and realize that as a group of BYU supporters of course we are upset. We about saw our starting center lose his vision because an opponent decided to not go for the ball. Notice how I'm willing to even drop the whole going for the eyes. And if Kane can make it to D1 basketball, he doesn't swipe at the ball and hit someone square in a non-moving target (face) 2-3 feet away from the ball on accident. Not even a bottom ten utah player does that as poorly coordinated as they are.



I agree with Spiff, you're a troll, and a lazy one at that. Your claiming you are a "fan, ie fanatic, ie logic often need not apply" but you have a double standard which doesn't apply to BYU fans. Sounds hypocritical. Did Kane tell YOU he had no intent of injury? And I'm sorry, but if you are intentionally poking someone in the face (whether you intend to cause harm or no) you should have to face the consequences if harm does occur.

Since when can intent only be determined by knowing someone's thoughts? There are a lot of 1st degree murderers convicted because of their intent without ever testifying against themselves. Circumstances and evidence say a lot about a persons intent.

Not pleased that the mods can't spot a troll and eliminate their IP addresses and usernames within a few days of spotting one. Mika will be fine... BYU will be fine. But this forum won't be as enjoyable until we ban these dbags.