Should Walters be COY?

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Rose made a mistake by sitting Carlino and MIka in the first place. Austin and Sharp out there at the same time? What the hell... You have two players on offense that have absolutely no desire to shoot the ball, or even have it in their hands. That was just bad, bad, coaching.



With a double digit lead Rose started resting everyone midway through the first, which I understand, but you have to make sure that you get the win, and when USF made their run Rose was too slow to get the right guys back in. He didn't have the right guys in until the last few minutes, and then it was too late USF had momentum and went in ahead at half. Rose was a subsitution nightmare last night.



I am not sure why Haws is on the bench and Sharp is playing in his place for 5 minutes down the stretch last night. Why not play Carlino and Winder (or Halford) and then slide KC down to guard Dickerson, instead of Austin or Sharp. KC can defend as well as either of those guys, and he actually has a chance of scoring and/or rebounding on the offensive side of the ball.



Coaching mistake, after mistake, after mistake, after mistake.



It is amazing to me that he hasn't found the right starting lineup this late in the season for the 3rd year in a row. This is the time to be finalizing your chemistry, not starting a new one.That showed down the stretch in that game. Teams just don't score for 6 minutes at a time. That almost loss is on Rose, and the only reason USF didn't win is BYU easily has twice the amount of talent they do.

You should put the hyperbole like "BYU has easily twice the talent" right up front to provide posters a hint about how much bias they are about to encounter.



In your mind, who is most incompetent - Rose or Anae?



It seems ironic that after listing all of the glaring faults of the players that continue to bet out your favorites, you then conclude that even with all that ineptness, BYU - easily twice the talent.



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BlueIsBetter wrote:
Cool story, bro.



Rose got out coached. He needs to right the ship. Questioning the "fanhood" of someone that spends countless hours on a BYU fan site, much less countless hours and money spent actually watching the games seems stupid.



Why don't you address the topic instead of going full ad hominen?



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Hit home, eh Bro? So the guy that out coached Coach Rose lost??? Hmmmm.....good for him and bad for Coach Rose I guess. Go Cougars!

Coach Walters won't trade his players for anyone because they are the best fighters. Shall we call him "put up your dukes Walters"?

Coach Rose is a top 5 coach in the country. Not in the conference, in the region, in the area, in the west. IN THE COUNTRY! His record bears this out.



Walters didn't out coach Rose last night. USF played like a team that had won 6 straight. They played really, really hard and got a few breaks and made a few shots, and still lost the game. Sometimes the other team is good too.



The characterization of Austin as not worthy of starting is a joke. He's probably part of 2 out of the 3 top producing 5 man line ups for BYU. He knows his role. He rebounds. He defends his position well. He's an adequate passer. He is probably the most experienced guy on the team.



And for some reason BlueisBetter loves him some Halford. Halford is the one non-D1 athlete on the team. He has one D1 skill, outside shooting, and he's been horrible at that for the past few games, to the point where he's not even taking open 3s right now. He's the biggest defensive liability on the team not named Haws, and that's when he tries.

Also, part of the struggles the first 3 years in conference was changing the team to match the style of the new conference.

hawkwing wrote:

Rose made a mistake of changing a line up that had played very well down the stretch. He changed team dynamics by re-inserting Mika into the lineup.

I agree. Mika off the bench has been great for us.

I don't know what is wrong with some of you. BYU was "peaking" with this line up until last night. And it showed. Why mess with things? At least Mika stayed of of foul trouble in the 2nd half. Austin has become a bit of an O liability. And Carlino came off bench a little too late. In post game interview he said he was mad for not playing.

But tick with what was working as Spiff and Hawk have said. It's nt always about having the best players on the floor. It's about rotations and end of game scenarios.

But as for Rexiboy, I really think there is more to his comments. He's pissed about reffing and probably qualities the free throw disparity. But didnt want to get fined by the WCC. I think he really does believe his team is better. I'm nt offended. But he did take a shot at BYU. Bring it Rex. You are now 0-3 this year to BYU and 0-8 vs BYU in 3 seasons. Oh, and 1-7 vs the WCC final four.

Cougs_Rule wrote:
But as for Rexiboy, I really think there is more to his comments. He's pissed about reffing and probably qualities the free throw disparity. But didnt want to get fined by the WCC. I think he really does believe his team is better. I'm nt offended. But he did take a shot at BYU. Bring it Rex. You are now 0-3 this year to BYU and 0-8 vs BYU in 3 seasons. Oh, and 1-7 vs the WCC final four.

Not to quibble, but I believe they have beaten BYU once prior to this season.



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For those of you claiming I don't like Austin, I do. I don't like his non aggressiveness on offense, and I don't like that he isn't being used. He literally isn't being guarded, and they are doubling down on Mika, with one guy guarding the pass and one guy guarding his backside.



Austin needs to shoot! He has a good shot. He isn't being aggressive, and Rose isn't utilizing him at all. It makes it harder for Mika to get a good look, and we are playing 4 on 5 on the offensive side. If he isn't looking to score, he isn't playing. That is why I am saying to replace him with someone that wants the ball. It has nothing to do with effort or ability. It has to do with being used, and looking for the ball. He is a liability on offense, unless he looks to be aggressive, which he isn't. He is WIDE OPEN, and BYU needs to give him some looks. He can shoot. That is all.

Also, on the Coach Rose stuff. He is a great coach. That doesn't mean that he doesn't have flaws. He gets too interested in matchups, but doesn't take advantage of them. How many plays does KColl post up against a smaller guard? Never. I mean, isn't that the point of starting a Small Forward at point guard. Instead, Collinsworth tries to take much quicker guards off the dribble and ends up getting it stolen or blocked by the back line. He should be posting up and they should be getting the ball to him in the post.



But, I'm just a "non-fan," non-coach, internet poster... so what do I know?

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Also, on the Coach Rose stuff. He is a great coach. That doesn't mean that he doesn't have flaws. He gets too interested in matchups, but doesn't take advantage of them. How many plays does KColl post up against a smaller guard? Never. I mean, isn't that the point of starting a Small Forward at point guard. Instead, Collinsworth tries to take much quicker guards off the dribble and ends up getting it stolen or blocked by the back line. He should be posting up and they should be getting the ball to him in the post.



But, I'm just a "non-fan," non-coach, internet poster... so what do I know?

Blue, this seems to be a more reasonable and objective critique IMO. Your last line does little to elicit much sympathy, but nonetheless, what I am guilty of is I sometimes tire of the emotional, venom fueled rants bashing coaches when things go south or appear to be heading south. Maybe I am a bit sensitive having been a high school basketball coach for 12 years and a high school administrator for the past 17 years. BYU is fortunate to have Coach Rose. Anyone waiting for the perfectly coached game will be waiting a looooooong time. BTW, the main point of my previous point was that teams do go on prolonged scoring droughts at times. Sometimes even more than six minutes. Sorry if my rant was too personal. Go Cougars!

BlueIsBetter wrote:
For those of you claiming I don't like Austin, I do. I don't like his non aggressiveness on offense, and I don't like that he isn't being used. He literally isn't being guarded. They are doubling down on Mika, with one guy guarding the pass and one guy guarding his backside.



Austin needs to shoot! He has a good shot. He isn't being aggressive, and Rose isn't utilizing him at all. It makes it harder for Mika to get a good look, and we are playing 4 on 5 on the offensive side. If he isn't looking to score, he isn't playing. That is why I am saying to replace him with someone that wants the ball. It has nothing to do with effort or ability. It has to do with being used, and looking for the ball. He is a liability on offense, unless he looks to be aggressive, which he isn't. He is WIDE OPEN, and BYU needs to give him some looks. He can shoot. That is all.

Austin should shoot 1 or 2 times per game on average - in range. He did shoot twice last night going 1 of 2 and 0 for 1 at the line. Rose does get him open looks. He just does not take the shots. Defense decent. Rebounding up and down. And we need someone to givw minutes and take some fouls or Mika and KC would foul out if KC played the 4 all game.



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Wolverine wrote:

Also, on the Coach Rose stuff. He is a great coach. That doesn't mean that he doesn't have flaws. He gets too interested in matchups, but doesn't take advantage of them. How many plays does KColl post up against a smaller guard? Never. I mean, isn't that the point of starting a Small Forward at point guard. Instead, Collinsworth tries to take much quicker guards off the dribble and ends up getting it stolen or blocked by the back line. He should be posting up and they should be getting the ball to him in the post.



But, I'm just a "non-fan," non-coach, internet poster... so what do I know?

Blue, this seems to be a more reasonable and objective critique IMO. Your last line does little to elicit much sympathy, but nonetheless, what I am guilty of is I sometimes tire of the emotional, venom fueled rants bashing coaches when things go south or appear to be heading south. Maybe I am a bit sensitive having been a high school basketball coach for 12 years and a high school administrator for the past 17 years. BYU is fortunate to have Coach Rose. Anyone waiting for the perfectly coached game will be waiting a looooooong time. BTW, the main point of my previous point was that teams do go on prolonged scoring droughts at times. Sometimes even more than six minutes. Sorry if my rant was too personal. Go Cougars!

No problem, we can hug it out. :) I think rose is great, but he gets caught up in nuances Sometimes, like our gimmicky zone and playing people at the wrong positions, but not taking advantages of the good things about that.



I think that rose needs better assistants, who would point these things out to him (stuff on the micro level). Things haven't been the same since rice left.



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BlueIsBetter wrote:

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Also, on the Coach Rose stuff. He is a great coach. That doesn't mean that he doesn't have flaws. He gets too interested in matchups, but doesn't take advantage of them. How many plays does KColl post up against a smaller guard? Never. I mean, isn't that the point of starting a Small Forward at point guard. Instead, Collinsworth tries to take much quicker guards off the dribble and ends up getting it stolen or blocked by the back line. He should be posting up and they should be getting the ball to him in the post.



But, I'm just a "non-fan," non-coach, internet poster... so what do I know?

Blue, this seems to be a more reasonable and objective critique IMO. Your last line does little to elicit much sympathy, but nonetheless, what I am guilty of is I sometimes tire of the emotional, venom fueled rants bashing coaches when things go south or appear to be heading south. Maybe I am a bit sensitive having been a high school basketball coach for 12 years and a high school administrator for the past 17 years. BYU is fortunate to have Coach Rose. Anyone waiting for the perfectly coached game will be waiting a looooooong time. BTW, the main point of my previous point was that teams do go on prolonged scoring droughts at times. Sometimes even more than six minutes. Sorry if my rant was too personal. Go Cougars!

No problem, we can hug it out. :) I think rose is great, but he gets caught up in nuances Sometimes, like our gimmicky zone and playing people at the wrong positions, but not taking advantages of the good things about that.



I think that rose needs better assistants, who would point these things out to him (stuff on the micro level). Things haven't been the same since rice left.



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Bingo! My son and I have had this discussion numerous times throughout the year. Are the assistants too inexperienced? I for one would love to see a grizzled, defensive-minded assistant coach on the staff. I have no idea who that would be at this point in time. Max Good just got canned by LMU. He sure was complimentary of the coaches, players, and program at BYU :) Go Cougars!

Many have bemoaned the loss of Dave Rice. Me, too, at the time.considering how UNLV has and has not performed since Rice took over and given the highly rated recruiting classes - current class is Top 10, for example and at least two others were top15-30, maybe Rice will be available. Maybe he is a better assistant coach. Maybe UNLV will break out next year - experience factor.



This is much more of a player talent and experience issue than a coaching issue. When a poster ends a post saying BYU is easily twice as talented as USF, right there expectations disconnect. Mika was great - for a freshman. When he comes back - probably great for a sophomore. KC was great for a sophomore. Poor free throw shooter. Needs to shoot better. Needs to finish a little bit better. Needs to take better care of the ball, and at times, make better decisions. Bartley. Raw. Halford. 1st year D1. Reminds a bit of Jr transfers cut last year. Winder. Was not ready at the start of the season. Finally shooting well now - well other than 2 of last 5 games where he shot poorly. Haws. Great shooter. Great FT shooter. Needs to take better care of the ball and at times make better decisions. Carlino. Streaky. Poor decisions and shot selection at times. Sharp. Limited ability. Worthington. Raw. Austin. Almost no offense. Confidence.



The good news is there is much more to work with and develop from this base than there was the last 2 years. And some new talent is coming. Experience will improve Haws a little, KC a lot, Carlino potentially a lot, Winder somewhat, Austin a bit, and who knows with Bartley and Worthington. Not sure Halford and Sharp have a lot of upside.



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