Oregon

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Yes to all the Carlino stuff. He wasn't great, but no one on BYU was. I liked that he didn't quit and kept trying, and actually gave us a chance. There was no one on the court that worked harder than Carlino wearing a BYU jersey yesterday, with the possible exception of Mika.



The zone defense is just miserable, and got exposed for what it is. That is why we lost. Carlino got us to 3 points down with 12 minutes to go. 3 minutes later we were down 12. That is down to a mixture of the zone, poor coaching adjustment and recognition, and not having enough quality players wearing blue, which the injury of Collinsworth certainly affected. I don't think that if Carlino or Haws played a perfect game, or if Rose coached a perfect game we would still have won that game. We just didn't have the personnel with KColl out, and their bench took our bench to the woodshed and hurt them bad.

snoscythe wrote:
In the second half of the Gonzaga game, and for the entire Oregon game, BYU needed points, needed a lot of them, and needed them in a hurry.



I don't understand why BYU fans are upset that Carlino tried to do that. Who did they expect to try and step up and get us back in the Gonzaga game and replace KC's scoring against Oregon? Frank Bartley?

snoscythe wrote:
In the second half of the Gonzaga game, and for the entire Oregon game, BYU needed points, needed a lot of them, and needed them in a hurry.



I don't understand why BYU fans are upset that Carlino tried to do that. Who did they expect to try and step up and get us back in the Gonzaga game and replace KC's scoring against Oregon? Frank Bartley?

hawkwing wrote:
I never got upset that Carlino tried to score, I got upset that he tried to score from 6 feet beyond the arc.

Mars wrote:

I never got upset that Carlino tried to score, I got upset that he tried to score from 6 feet beyond the arc.

Or when he sprints down the court, dribbles straight into 3 defenders, and then lobs up an ugly shot that barely gets near the basket, all about 4 seconds into the shot clock and without a single pass. That's dumb basketball.

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
I never got upset that Carlino tried to score, I got upset that he tried to score from 6 feet beyond the arc.

Or when he sprints down the court, dribbles straight into 3 defenders, and then lobs up an ugly shot that barely gets near the basket, all about 4 seconds into the shot clock and without a single pass. That's dumb basketball.

Yep.

Gunk wrote:

In the second half of the Gonzaga game, and for the entire Oregon game, BYU needed points, needed a lot of them, and needed them in a hurry.



I don't understand why BYU fans are upset that Carlino tried to do that. Who did they expect to try and step up and get us back in the Gonzaga game and replace KC's scoring against Oregon? Frank Bartley?

This.



And it's been this way almost the entire season. At the beginning of the season, who other than Haws was going to score the ball? Austin? Nope. Mika? Good for a few. KC? Took him a bit to get his legs and scoring back. So right from the get go Haws and MC were relied on to score the ball.



KC got hot and Winder got hoy at the end of the season, minus the last two games. But in all seriousness, we played 3 on 5 when on offense against Oregon.



We desperately need a 2 that can knick down 3s and stretch the defense and 4 or 5 that can keep defenses honest in the middle.



We didn't really have either of those pieces this year.



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BroncoBot wrote:
Almost as dumb as being down 20 and running an offense to the end of the shot clock and having the ball in austin/Mika/Sharp's hands 15 feet from the basket and having to heave up a desperation shot.

Mars wrote:

Almost as dumb as being down 20 and running an offense to the end of the shot clock and having the ball in austin/Mika/Sharp's hands 15 feet from the basket and having to heave up a desperation shot.

My problem with Carlino is that he did the same thing down 3 as he did down 20. No awareness.

hawkwing wrote:
Another thing to consider here is I don't think anyone would be mad at Carlino if he didn't show he had the talent and ability to be something special. It's just he consistently took himself out of opportunities to really excel.

Cougs_Rule wrote:

BroncoBot wrote:
Almost as dumb as being down 20 and running an offense to the end of the shot clock and having the ball in austin/Mika/Sharp's hands 15 feet from the basket and having to heave up a desperation shot.

My problem with Carlino is that he did the same thing down 3 as he did down 20. No awareness.

Yep.

BoiseBYU wrote:

Mars wrote:

Almost as dumb as being down 20 and running an offense to the end of the shot clock and having the ball in austin/Mika/Sharp's hands 15 feet from the basket and having to heave up a desperation shot.

My problem with Carlino is that he did the same thing down 3 as he did down 20. No awareness.

Yep.

I actually get that some players are streaky. When Carlino is on fire it's amazing. When he's not, it's well amazing in a different way. Playing within one's self is a talent and MC has not acquired it yet.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

Cougs_Rule wrote:

BroncoBot wrote:
Almost as dumb as being down 20 and running an offense to the end of the shot clock and having the ball in austin/Mika/Sharp's hands 15 feet from the basket and having to heave up a desperation shot.

My problem with Carlino is that he did the same thing down 3 as he did down 20. No awareness.

Yep.

I actually get that some players are streaky. When Carlino is on fire it's amazing. When he's not, it's well amazing in a different way. Playing within one's self is a talent and MC has not acquired it yet.

Neither has anyone else wearing a Cougar jersey.



I get bugged because people act like Carlino is the main problem, when he is normally far from it.

Gunk wrote:
MC is the whipping boy for fans' frustrations. Nevermind he'll go down 2nd all time in assists and quite possibly in the Top 15 all time in scoring. Ya, what a horrible player...