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Why will this team win a tourney game?

by mizzoucoug · 12/15/2009

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Schmoe
This is becoming really petty really fast. Why don't you two give it a rest?
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Italics
Schmoe wrote:
This is becoming really petty really fast. Why don't you two give it a rest?


Agreed. I didn't expect a small mental error to create such hissy fit in someone.
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Mars
Italics wrote:
Italics wrote:
Most teams that will make it to the tourney this year would have beaten Fresno St. by more than 5 points. Just sayin'.
We led by 15 with 1:26 left. Rose eased up on his friend.
Most teams that will make the tourney this year would have played 4 quarters and maintained that lead.
:roll:



Most teams that will make the tourney aren't coached by guys that were hired by Steve Cleveland. You can't skip over this point entirely to make your very needlessly-critical complaint about a road win over an old rival.
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Schmoe
Hey everyone, just thought I'd let you all know that I killed it again the prediction game tonight, I'm going to extend my lead, and I say that we will win a tourney game given we get there this year, and none of what the rest of you said matters one iota. So suck it (and stop fighting like little girls :P ).
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Mars


I don't fight like a girl, but I know how to handle one:

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Italics
I don't think I'm being needlessly critical of the team. I'm just saying, there is no I see reason to believe that this year won't be any different than the last few. Doesn't mean we're no good, I just don't see us getting beyond round 1.
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Mars
Italics wrote:
I don't think I'm being needlessly critical of the team. I'm just saying, there is no I see reason to believe that this year won't be any different than the last few. Doesn't mean we're no good, I just don't see us getting beyond round 1.

Really? No matter what our seed is or who we match up against, we wouldn't be able to beat ANY of the other 64 teams in the field? You know that after two months of games?
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Schmoe
I think that our chances are greatly improved this year because we don't depend on one person (ie--Cummard, Plaisted) to get our scoring. Yes, we have Jimmer, but Haws is playing extremely well, Emery is stepping up, even Hartsock is really coming back to where he was pre-mish.
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craigoscarson
Schmoe wrote:
I think that our chances are greatly improved this year because we don't depend on one person (ie--Cummard, Plaisted) to get our scoring. Yes, we have Jimmer, but Haws is playing extremely well, Emery is stepping up, even Hartsock is really coming back to where he was pre-mish.


Just to make sure we all understand, Noah did not attend BYU before his mission, has never had a redshirt season (though KSL often calls him a redshirt soph) and got home last year a couple months before the season started, just to injure his leg when the season got started.



So unless you saw him score 30 pts a game in high school in 6a Oklahoma, dominated both Lopez brothers in AAU, etc. I'm not sure anyone that hasn't seen him then can say that they know where he was pre-mish especially since he gets a mulligan for last year (when he should have been redshirted). Noah is very good but I don't think he's yet close to the form he showed in high school. If he stays motivated, he's going to be a stud for us at the 4 for the next 3 years; and we havent' had a true 4 for over half a decade. He currently dominates BYUs statbook when it comes to rebounds and blocks per minute played and he's not even close to his pre-mish form.



http://byu.scout.com/2/503441.html



If Davies and Hartsock can continue to improve all season, then I think we can win a tourney game; but not if Miles and JT continue to play so poorly. Haws has been a revelation (I never expected him to be so good, so early) , Emery is becoming an all around stud, and our bench is tremendous; the issue is our seniors and their lackluster play.
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Schmoe
craigoscarson wrote:
So unless you saw him score 30 pts a game in high school in 6a Oklahoma, dominated both Lopez brothers in AAU, etc. I'm not sure anyone that hasn't seen him then can say that they know where he was pre-mish especially since he gets a mulligan for last year (when he should have been redshirted). Noah is very good but I don't think he's yet close to the form he showed in high school. If he stays motivated, he's going to be a stud for us at the 4 for the next 3 years; and we havent' had a true 4 for over half a decade. He currently dominates BYUs statbook when it comes to rebounds and blocks per minute played and he's not even close to his pre-mish form.


You're right, I didn't see it. I heard about it, I read about it, I was excited to see Noah at BYU, but I didn't actually see the performance. I'm sure he's still got a way to go before he is 100% All I am saying is that he seems to be returning to premier big-man form and I think he will be absolutely phenomenal for the remainder of his time at BYU.
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Mars
craigoscarson wrote:
He [Hartsock] currently dominates BYUs statbook when it comes to rebounds and blocks per minute played and he's not even close to his pre-mish form.

I'd be curious to see the numbers. Haws has done very well in rebounding also, and Anderson's blocks might not be too bad (he hasn't played very much).
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bball
If this team wins a tourney game, it will be because the post guys rise up and play, both offense and defense. The three guards are a given, they are good, they defend, they shoot; but the inside guys must play much better to go into the tourney and win against other very good teams.
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CougarPeasant
craigoscarson wrote:
I think that our chances are greatly improved this year because we don't depend on one person (ie--Cummard, Plaisted) to get our scoring. Yes, we have Jimmer, but Haws is playing extremely well, Emery is stepping up, even Hartsock is really coming back to where he was pre-mish.


Just to make sure we all understand, Noah did not attend BYU before his mission, has never had a redshirt season (though KSL often calls him a redshirt soph) and got home last year a couple months before the season started, just to injure his leg when the season got started.



So unless you saw him score 30 pts a game in high school in 6a Oklahoma, dominated both Lopez brothers in AAU, etc. I'm not sure anyone that hasn't seen him then can say that they know where he was pre-mish especially since he gets a mulligan for last year (when he should have been redshirted). Noah is very good but I don't think he's yet close to the form he showed in high school. If he stays motivated, he's going to be a stud for us at the 4 for the next 3 years; and we havent' had a true 4 for over half a decade. He currently dominates BYUs statbook when it comes to rebounds and blocks per minute played and he's not even close to his pre-mish form.



http://byu.scout.com/2/503441.html



If Davies and Hartsock can continue to improve all season, then I think we can win a tourney game; but not if Miles and JT continue to play so poorly. Haws has been a revelation (I never expected him to be so good, so early) , Emery is becoming an all around stud, and our bench is tremendous; the issue is our seniors and their lackluster play.


I saw Hartsock starting to put it together towards the end of last season. He really has and plays with basketball smarts. I really think he is the X factor in how good this team can be. Miles will be Miles, but Hartsock can play D, can rebound, and can score. Once he's better integrated into the offense, this team will have 4 legit scores on the floor at all times.



Before this season, I thought BYU was going to walk through the MWC, which might not prepare them well for the NCAA. Now, seeing how good NM, UNLV, and SDSU are, gives me hope that BYU will be challenged and have to dig deep to win the conference this year, even after being virtually a unanimous choice to win it. That will help BYU prepare for that first game and first win under Rose.



Let's just hope they don't play aTm again. :P
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Qman
I have to agree- Hartsock's development is key for this team's chances. His size give us a chance defensively and on the boards. His scoring will keep the D honest for Fredette.
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Italics
Just look at our sloppy play against 6-5 Nevada and tell me that this kind of play would get us past a tourney team :sick:
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SpiffCoug
Depends on who the team is. If we're a 7-10 seed then probably not. But if we're 4-6 seed then it just might.
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snoscythe
Italics wrote:
Just look at our sloppy play against 6-5 Nevada and tell me that this kind of play would get us past a tourney team :sick:


Kind of like sloppy fact checking? Nevada is 6-4.
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Italics
snoscythe wrote:
Just look at our sloppy play against 6-5 Nevada and tell me that this kind of play would get us past a tourney team :sick:


Kind of like sloppy fact checking? Nevada is 6-4.


hit the wrong key.



are you related to kitic by chance? Or maybe Homer Simpson?
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SpiffCoug
They'll be 6-5 after we beat them!
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Mars
Italics wrote:
Just look at our sloppy play against 6-5 Nevada and tell me that this kind of play would get us past a tourney team :sick:

It seems EXCEPTIONALLY stupid to me to complain about a road win against a very good team halfway through the game. This is not fandom, this is paranoid insanity.
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