Trump a disaster for the Nation and Republicans

On the flip side, I see polls like this...



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and doesn't this just scream 2008 John McCain all over again. He was the only one that could beat Hillary back then. Is there a candidate with a realistic chance of beating the democrats?

billbillbillbill wrote:
On the flip side, I see polls like this...



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and doesn't this just scream 2008 John McCain all over again. He was the only one that could beat Hillary back then. Is there a candidate with a realistic chance of beating the democrats?

Not anymore.

hawkwing wrote:
One of the countless reasons why so many people are adamantly opposed to Donald Trump is because it has been proven and consistently shown that Trump has less than no chance of winning a general election. If Trump wins the nomination the election is already over and Hillary is the new President.



https://twitter.com/MsAvaArmstrong/status/722419177747836928

This Hawk - I accept - and it holds weight in my mind. It's objective data. Personally, I do not care how many women a man has slept with. Obviously it is better, and desirable, if he has good moral scruples in his personal life. But to me, it's not a deal breaker. Bigger fish to fry.



What is more critical is, will he follow the Constitution. Will he defend the Constitution. Will be protect the borders and the security if American citizens. Will he support laws - enforce them and not do lawless end runs around Congress with Executive Orders. Will he appoint Conservative Supreme Court Justices? Will he reign in our ballooning national debt.

Ddawg wrote:

One of the countless reasons why so many people are adamantly opposed to Donald Trump is because it has been proven and consistently shown that Trump has less than no chance of winning a general election. If Trump wins the nomination the election is already over and Hillary is the new President.



https://twitter.com/MsAvaArmstrong/status/722419177747836928

This Hawk - I accept - and it holds weight in my mind. It's objective data. Personally, I do not care how many women a man has slept with. Obviously is is better, and desirable if he has good moral scruples in his personal life. But to me, it's not a deal breaker. Bigger fish to fry.



What is more critical is, will he follow the Constitution. Will he defend the Constitution. Will be protect the borders and the security if American citizens. Will he support laws - enforce them and not do lawless end runs around Congress with Executive Orders. Will he appoint Conservative Supreme Court Justices? Will he reign in our ballooning national debt.

It seems to me he has proven in his dealings as a businessman and his statements in the press, including during the very election cycle where he has said he would undermine the Constitution, remove 1st amendment rights from reporters, torture and kill people, and use government agencies to punish his enemies you'll join me in doing everything you can to make sure he doesn't get elected.

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
One of the countless reasons why so many people are adamantly opposed to Donald Trump is because it has been proven and consistently shown that Trump has less than no chance of winning a general election. If Trump wins the nomination the election is already over and Hillary is the new President.



https://twitter.com/MsAvaArmstrong/status/722419177747836928

This Hawk - I accept - and it holds weight in my mind. It's objective data. Personally, I do not care how many women a man has slept with. Obviously is is better, and desirable if he has good moral scruples in his personal life. But to me, it's not a deal breaker. Bigger fish to fry.



What is more critical is, will he follow the Constitution. Will he defend the Constitution. Will be protect the borders and the security if American citizens. Will he support laws - enforce them and not do lawless end runs around Congress with Executive Orders. Will he appoint Conservative Supreme Court Justices? Will he reign in our ballooning national debt.

It seems to me he has proven in his dealings as a businessman and his statements in the press, including during the very election cycle where he has said he would undermine the Constitution, remove 1st amendment rights from reporters, torture and kill people, and use government agencies to punish his enemies you'll join me in doing everything you can to make sure he doesn't get elected.

OK, so he gets elected. You dont think that Hillary would do the same? They're both pond scum. Doesn't matter either way, I'm not wasting energy on it.

hawkwing wrote:
It seems to me he has proven in his dealings as a businessman and his statements in the press, including during the very election cycle where he has said he would undermine the Constitution, remove 1st amendment rights from reporters, torture and kill people, and use government agencies to punish his enemies.

False. True. True.



And that is how every candidate would answer if they had to answer truthfully. Stop with the superficial mantra that there is any real difference between Trump and the other turds running for president.

hawkwing wrote:
One of the countless reasons why so many people are adamantly opposed to Donald Trump is because it has been proven and consistently shown that Trump has less than no chance of winning a general election. If Trump wins the nomination the election is already over and Hillary is the new President.



https://twitter.com/MsAvaArmstrong/status/722419177747836928

hawkwing wrote:

It seems to me he has proven in his dealings as a businessman and his statements in the press, including during the very election cycle where he has said he would undermine the Constitution,

With all due respect - I don't think Trump would undermine the Constitution. No doubt, Trump is an aggressive,businessman - real aggressive. I would not conduct business as he has. On the other hand, lots of people who do business with Trump say he is honest and support him.



As a Constitutional issue - just take the border. Hillary is an "Open Border" politician. In direct violation of federal law. Hillary does not like the 2nd Amendment - and likens gun and ammo manufacturers to terrorists. Unconscionable! Hillary attack cops - supports the Black Lives Matters communists. Unconscionable! You would vote for Hillary who's an anti cop, anti gun, open border socialist over an arrogant man who is a huge supporter of cops, gun ownership, and enforcing federal law on the border.

hawkwing wrote:

remove 1st amendment rights from reporters,

I don't think so - again - with all due respect. What Trump said was - Last month at a rally in Texas, he said he would “open up” libel laws to make it easier to sue news organizations for “purposely negative and horrible and false articles.”



So, should the media be held responsible for printing false stories about a candidate? I think so. Look how Mitt Romney was demeaned - slandered - and libeled. His reputation was slimed by liberal politicians (slime-ball Harry Reid) and liberal news outlets. I personally think news outlets, media, and politicians should NOT be protected from saying or printing falsehoods about their political opposition. Lying to destroy a political opponent is scuzzball tactics. It should be held accountable. Now, exactly what would that standard be? It's for the Supreme Court to decide. The current libel standard was set in 1964 in the ruling "Sullivan vs New York". Is it time to update that ruling? I think so. Seeing how vicious and dishonest the media has become today, I think I agree with Trump on this one. But, it's for the courts to work out where the bar is set.

hawkwing wrote:

torture and kill people,

It depends on what your definition of "torture" is. Are we talking about waterboarding? I am all for it. Q: How many people dies at the hands of the USA while being waterboarded? Zero. How much valuable information was attained? Invaluable info that helped us effectively fight Terrorism at the time, and eventually get Obama bin Laden. It's a tool - very effective - no permanent damage.



Kill people? If they are terrorists - kill them all. The problem with Obama and the liberals is - they are aggressive towards Fox News, Conservative Christians, and Tea Party folks. ISIS and Muslim terrorists? Well, they're the JV team. Kick the can down the road. If I was president - 60 days and ISIS would cease to control any territory in Iraq or Syria. Then the "mop up" phase would begin - low intensity operations.



IMHO - the problem with the Middle East is - we're not killing enough of the right people - period. Obama is a Muslim apologist - and ignores the real problem while the cancer spreads. Both Cruz and Trump swill aggressively go after the cancer.

hawkwing wrote:

use government agencies to punish his enemies you'll

Obama has been using the government for years (the IRS) to go after the Tea Party folks. No other president has used the full weight of the federal govt (as Obama has) to crush and silence political opposition. Obama and his IRS are still doing it. I sincerely do not believe Trump will go after people with the IRS. It's Gestapo tactics, but, Obama is a socialist. He'll have advisors that will strongly advise to not act like Obama. That's a big deterrent - as Trump despises Obama.

hawkwing wrote:

join me in doing everything you can to make sure he doesn't get elected.

Absolutely - I will join you and vote for Ted Cruz - and do all I can to help Cruz win the nomination. However, if Trump is the GOP nominee. I will support him 100% over the lying criminal Hillary Clinton who is owned by foreign govt's and Wall Street.

Well said, Ddawg. Trump, as flawed as he is, would be by far the lesser evil than any of the Obama-third-term candidates. The Dems do not have any candidates that are not the latter.

It seems that many folks are unaware of the level of damage already done to our constitution by Obama. The damage will become permanent if his crimes against the U.S. Constitution are not prosecuted. Legal precedent will become established for ignoring the constitution if no indictment or challenge occurs. So far, this evil man and his communist entourage are getting away with it all.



Bruce Jenner may be a tranny, but he got it right when he said that Hillary would be the same as another Obama, and that "America is through, if Hillary is elected." Hillary already has a track record for being criminal, deceitful, and completely corrupt, and communist. She makes semantically challenged Trump look like a saint.



We cannot afford, or survive a Hillary continuation of Obama-style tyranny. It would mean a loss of our way of life, human dignity, The American Dream, for our children and grandchildren. They may have to fight a war to recover their "inalienable human rights."



By the way, I never said that I liked Trump. Just tying to keep things in perspective.

Bernie Sanders supporters describe Hillary in one word -



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqTRRDLy8vw

The great news is that Trump has actually inspired Latinos to vote in record setting numbers. From what I heard there is a 40+% increase in the number of Latinos who are planning to vote this election season, which is great. The more citizens who vote the better.



The downside of course, is that 93% say they will vote for anyone BUT Donald Trump.

hawkwing wrote:
The great news is that Trump has actually inspired Latinos to vote in record setting numbers. From what I heard there is a 40+% increase in the number of Latinos who are planning to vote this election season, which is great. The more citizens who vote the better.



The downside of course, is that 93% say they will vote for anyone BUT Donald Trump.

Why do Latinos not like Trump? If I'm latino he's the first guy I vote for.



Besides the media telling them to hate Trump, what is their reason?

BroncoBot wrote:

The great news is that Trump has actually inspired Latinos to vote in record setting numbers. From what I heard there is a 40+% increase in the number of Latinos who are planning to vote this election season, which is great. The more citizens who vote the better.



The downside of course, is that 93% say they will vote for anyone BUT Donald Trump.

Why do Latinos not like Trump? If I'm latino he's the first guy I vote for.



Besides the media telling them to hate Trump, what is their reason?

Maybe you should ask some Latinos.



The idiot Trumpists are going around saying how they're glad to not have the latino and black vote, seeing as 93% of Latinos will not vote for Trump and 95% of blacks polled have said the same thing, but not only will it make it mathematically impossible for Trump to win this election it sets the republicans back at least 50 years by turning minorities even further away from the party. And yes, I have heard several Trump supporters make the claim that they don't want or need minority votes.



All the more proof that Trump is a Democrat trying to destroy the Republican party.

hawkwing wrote:

All the more proof that Trump is a Democrat trying to destroy the Republican party.

You may be right. It's a scary prospect. I do know this (latest from Drudge and Breitbart).

At this point in the GOP primary election process, Trump has received 2 million more votes than Romney did. Conversely, at this point in the Dem primary process, 4.5 million less votes have been cast than back in 2008 when Obama ran the 1st time.



What does this mean? The Dem's are not excited about Hillary and turnout is way down. Whereas, GOP voters are excited. And Trump supporters are super excited. My chance to vote is not till June 7th (CA presidential primary, 8am - 8pm. Anyone not registered, you have till May 23). I will vote for Ted Cruz. Though by that time, Trump will probably have a insurmountable amount of delegates. Who knows? Perhaps, perhaps not. I'm watching the political theater unfold. I've never seen anything like this in my life.



I have no idea whether Trump is part of a Manchurian candidate Democrat plot to destroy the GOP. If it's true. It was executed better than Iranian hostage rescue back in 1980. Which had incredible planning, training and resources poured into it. It's possible Trump, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and Hillary conspired and have pulled off one of the best run political coups in world history. Somehow I doubt it. I think Trump is a loud mouth rich guy that got lucky and hit a nerve with tax paying, conservative Americans. Trump has said what people are thinking - that their country and their party have abandoned the hard working, tax paying, law abiding American people. They want someone that will stand up for them and fight for them, in a bold and decisive way. Trump is filling that need. Right or wrong. Democrat at heart or true converted Conservative, Trump has tapped into what a lot of GOP folks want - an unapologetic warrior.

Just one correction, Trump has very expressly taped into what angry, white males are thinking and pushed it to an extreme, in so doing has alienated minorities in levels never before seen before.

hawkwing wrote:
Just one correction, Trump has very expressly taped into what angry, white males are thinking and pushed it to an extreme, in so doing has alienated minorities in levels never before seen before.

That makes white conservatives sound like they are racist. I'm a white male, I'm very pissed off at Obama and the what the democrats are doing to this country. I'm very pissed off at the open border and the lies this administration tells about it being secure. I'm very pissed off when people tell me I'm a racist because I want the laws enforced and the sovereign borders of this country protected. The reality is, we have no idea who is coming into our country - and a lot of criminals are coming in. Take that to the bank.



Exactly what is wrong with enforcing existing law and protecting our borders? Why am I, other conservatives, and Trump a racist because we want to control who comes into the U.S. in an organized manner where immigrants are vetted? Try sneaking into Mexico illegally. It's a felony. Felons are not treated well in Mexico.

Ddawg wrote:

Just one correction, Trump has very expressly taped into what angry, white males are thinking and pushed it to an extreme, in so doing has alienated minorities in levels never before seen before.

That makes white conservatives sound like they are racist. I'm a white male, I'm very pissed off at Obama and the what the democrats are doing to this country. I'm very pissed off at the open border and the lies this administration tells about it being secure. I'm very pissed off when people tell me I'm a racist because I want the laws enforced and the sovereign borders of this country protected. The reality is, we have no idea who is coming into our country - and a lot of criminals are coming in. Take that to the bank.



Exactly what is wrong with enforcing existing law, protecting our borders, and controlling who comes into the U.S. in an organized manner where immigrants are vetted?

That's exactly the problem, Donald Trump is fueling the impression that the Republican party and all it's members are racists partly by knowingly and deliberately pandering to the most racist base of the party.



You may argue that Republicans aren't racists but if 93% of latinos and 97% of blacks feel that Donald Trump and the Republican's who vote for him are then it doesn't matter.



Name one demographic group other than poor white males that Donald Trump polls better than 40% in, there isn't one. That says a lot.

hawkwing wrote:

That's exactly the problem, Donald Trump is fueling the impression that the Republican party and all it's members are racists partly by knowingly and deliberately pandering to the most racist base of the party.



You may argue that Republicans aren't racists but if 93% of latinos and 97% of blacks feel that Donald Trump and the Republican's who vote for him are then it doesn't matter.



Name one demographic group other than poor white males that Donald Trump polls better than 40% in, there isn't one. That says a lot.

I disagree that conservative GOP are racist. That's a liberal Democrat talking point.



Also, the reason 93% of latinos and 97% of blacks don't like Trump is because those same percentages don't like the GOP. Because the dishonest liberal MSM and dishonest Dem's have been hammering the message for 40 years that anyone who is Republican or Conservative is racist. It's a lie. Pure propaganda. The most racist people in the country are the liberal blacks: Black Muslims, Black Lives Matter, Black Panthers, etc. They spew hate filled racist lies all the time - and never get called for it. The MSM and the Dem party are in bed together and very skilled propagandists.



Almost 94% of black voted for Obama. Is that racist? I've seen video of people exiting the polls and asked who they voted for. It was amazing how every black person said they voted for Obama. When asked what policy of Obama's motivated them to vote for him - they had no answer. They voted for him simply because he was black. Racist?



I pretty tired of being told I'm a racist, or fellow Conservatives are racist, because we don't worship at the alter of liberal thought and liberal give-aways. I stand for the Constitution, enforcing laws, and controlling immigration. If that is racist - so be it.

Yeah, we've gone from 45% Latino support to < 7% with Donald Trump. The GOP needs to find ways to spread their message to minorities not further alienate them. Unfortunately with Trump's campaign that's exactly what has happened, every minority group has seen significant drops in GOP support because of Trump.



Trump will not only lose this election, he has made it impossible for the GOP to win any election in the foreseeable future.

hawkwing wrote:
Yeah, we've gone from 45% Latino support to < 7% with Donald Trump. The GOP needs to find ways to spread their message to minorities not further alienate them. Unfortunately with Trump's campaign that's exactly what has happened, every minority group has seen significant drops in GOP support because of Trump.



Trump will not only lose this election, he has made it impossible for the GOP to win any election in the foreseeable future.

In all seriousness, I don't know that Trump will lose this election. And, I do NOT think Trump is pandering to racists. Not at all.



Here's the question Hawk - you're a smart guy. You also work hard, obey the law and pay your taxes. You aee a solid American citizen. So, here is the challenge to you, or any candidate running for president that want to convey a conservative "law and order" message.



Hawk's Presidential Platform:

1. We live by the Constitution and follow the law. If we don't want the law(s) anymore, we go through the legal process of changing the law. Until then, we enforce the law.



2. We are controlling our border. Period. By building an effective wall/fence system backed up by a Border Patrol large enough to be effective.



3. No more santuary cities. It is a violation of federal law. No more looking thr other way, illegal is illegal.



4. Fiscal responsibility. Deficit spending will stop and the national debt will paid off - an effective - 10 year plan will be put in place and it will be followed. The USA is not a candy store anymore. Tighten your belts.



5. All immigration will be thru controlled, legal process. All immigrants will be vetted - thoroughly. We have a right to know precisely who is coming into our country.



6. All illegals immigrants cannot work in the U.S. And must return to their home country. An electronic verification employment data base will be put in place. All employers will be heavily fined for employing any illegal immigrant ($10,000 per illegal employee to start).



That's just off the top of my head. So, how do you get that message out there without pissing off the Latino voters? How is that diplomatically messaged? It needs to be done, or shut down our Border Patrol and have a big party. Cause it's all crashing down into chaos if we don't restore order.