Starting to lean towards Evan McMullin for President

I am, too. But, that could be a "hidden" vote for Hitlery. I suspect, too, that the hacking issue is going to really get bad in this election and the dead and non-citizens will vote like mad for her.

hawkwing wrote:
There was also recently a letter to the editor or an opinion piece in one of the big papers that said Trump should follow the lead of Govenor Bogg's and Missouri and persecute Mormons heavily. They need to let us know that our kind aren't welcome in the United States anymore.



I don't blame Trump for this stupidity, but it does highlight his most vocal supporters.

I can tell you for a fact that all this assumed, supposed, imagined "Donald Trump hates Mormons and has it in for them" is pure B.S.



I know for a fact (because I personally know this guy and have talked to him) that Trump has told someone here in Utah - a Mormon - that he will be in his cabinet if he is elected. It is not Sen. Mike Lee. This is an amazing position for Donald Trump to take - considering how Mitt Romney has treated Trump publicly, and how Sen. Mike Lee has called for Trump to step down.



I know what I am talking about - while you folks are rumor mongering.



If Trump was to win (it now seems impossible), and this man was appointed to the cabinet in the promised position, he could and would do a lot of good for Utah. I have been sitting on this for weeks and have not posted it. You guys need to let the hysteria go.



Regardless of the offensive locker room talk that was illegally recorded 11 years ago - Trump is the only candidate that has a chance of stopping Hillary. She is the MOST dishonest, duplicitous, and corrupt politician to ever run for the presidency. And probably has a 90% chance of winning the presidency. She will do irreversible damage to this Country that we will NEVER recover from with her appointments to the Supreme Court, open borders, and appointments to the Federal Appellate Courts.



It literally is game over.

I just hope now that Trump has lost this election that his dabbling in politics is over.

Mars wrote:
I just hope now that Trump has lost this election that his dabbling in politics is over.

You and all the other Never-Trumpers deserve a Hillary presidency. The damage to this country will be irreversible. It's not hyperbole.

Ddawg wrote:

I just hope now that Trump has lost this election that his dabbling in politics is over.

You and all the other Never-Trumpers deserve a Hillary presidency. The damage to this country will be irreversible. It's not hyperbole.

Then am I correct to assume you are quitting your job on 9 Nov? Because if it's over there really isn't any reason to continue as before.

SpiffCoug wrote:

Mars wrote:
I just hope now that Trump has lost this election that his dabbling in politics is over.

You and all the other Never-Trumpers deserve a Hillary presidency. The damage to this country will be irreversible. It's not hyperbole.

Then am I correct to assume you are quitting your job on 9 Nov? Because if it's over there really isn't any reason to continue as before.

What are you talking about? Please post where I posted - where I said - "there really isn't any reason to continue ..."

You said it's not hyperbole that the damage will be irreversible. So why continue on?

SpiffCoug wrote:
You said it's not hyperbole that the damage will be irreversible. So why continue on?

Then that is YOUR conclusion. Do not put words in my mouth. Yes, the damage to this country of 8 years with Obama and 4-8 years with Hillary, the damage will be irreversible. Due to all the points I have posted on this site for months. The most critical point is the Judicial appointments to both the Supreme Court and the Federal Appellate Court. The damage that will be done by the Libtard lawmaking from the bench will be irreversible. Not to even mention the open borders and the importation of 100's of thousands of Middle Eastern refugees - look at Europe.



Are you engaging in childish rhetoric or serious about this country? I am very serious about this country and the Constitution. I have spent my entire life defending this country, the law, and the people.

Yes, I am serious. And you are telling me the country is OVER on November 9, 2016.

SpiffCoug wrote:
Yes, I am serious. And you are telling me the country is OVER on November 9, 2016.

I am refraining from telling you how moronic you sound. I posted EXACTLY what I meant. If Hillary is elected to the office of president, the damage done to this country will be irreversible because of the 8 disastrous Obama years we are wrapping up followed by 4-8 years off Hillary. What is NOT clear?

Exactly. It's irreversible. The country is over. So why continue doing what you're doing? If it's over, you need to make major changes to your life to get ready to defend your family from the coming doom. You don't have time to waste.

Hillary will only rape us. Trump would rape and kill us. We're all so lucky to have chosen these two options for ourselves.

SpiffCoug wrote:
Exactly. It's irreversible. The country is over. So why continue doing what you're doing? If it's over, you need to make major changes to your life to get ready to defend your family from the coming doom. You don't have time to waste.

That is YOUR spin. If you want to play a childish game of "Gotcha" with word traps - I don't have the inclination or the time. I will engage in substantial, adult conversations about the issues any time. But if you want to lay word traps, be dishonest by twisting and torturing what I have posted into something I did not say - I won't play your game. I use to think that you and this board was better than that.

Mars wrote:
Hillary will only rape us. Trump would rape and kill us. We're all so lucky to have chosen these two options for ourselves.

These retired Generals and Admirals disagree with you. I'm curious, what Branch of the military did you serve in?



Retired US military personnel

General Robert C. Oaks in 1986

Vice Admiral Jerry L. Unruh in 1988

General Burwell B. Bell III in 2011

Alfred G. Hansen, General, Commander, Air Force Logistics Command (COMAFLC) (1987–89).

John L. Hudson, Lieutenant General

Timothy A. Kinnan, Lieutenant General

Thomas McInerney, Lieutenant General

Robert C. Oaks,[a] General, Commander of Air Training Command, Commander of the U.S. Air Forces in Europe (1986–90)

Richard Secord, Major General

Leo K. Thorsness, Colonel, Medal of Honor recipient

William E. Thurman, Lieutenant General

Retired US Army personnel

Bennie G. Adkins, Command Sergeant Major, Medal of Honor recipient

Burwell B. Bell III, General

Patrick Henry Brady, Major General

Sammy L. Davis, Sergeant, Medal of Honor recipient

Michael John Fitzmaurice, Specialist Four, Medal of Honor recipient

Harold A. Fritz, Colonel, Medal of Honor recipient

Jay Garner, Lieutenant General

Bert Mizusawa,[a] Major General, Deputy Director for Strategic Initiatives, Joint Chiefs of Staff

Robert Martin Patterson, Command Sergeant Major, Medal of Honor recipient

Leroy Petry, Master Sergeant, Medal of Honor recipient

Crosbie E. Saint, General, Commander in Chief, U.S. Army Europe/Commander, Central Army Group

Sidney Shachnow, Major General, a Holocaust survivor

Richard Scholtes, Major General

Ken Stumpf, Sergeant Major, Medal of Honor recipient

John B. Sylvester, Lieutenant General

James Allen Taylor, Major, Medal of Honor recipient

Paul E. Vallely,[a] Major General, 351st Civil Affairs Commander (1982–86), Deputy Commanding General, Pacific Command, Military Committee Chairman for the Center for Security Policy

Retired US Coast Guard personnel

Edward Nelson, Jr., Rear Admiral

Donald C. Thompson, Vice Admiral

Howard Thorsen, Vice Admiral

Theodore J. Wojnar, Rear Admiral

Retired US Marine Corps personnel

Mark Bircher, Brigadier General

Wesley L. Fox, Colonel, Medal of Honor recipient

James E. Livingston, Major General

Robert Magnus, General, Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps

Jay Vargas, Colonel, Medal of Honor recipient

Hershel W. Williams, Chief Warrant Officer 4, Medal of Honor recipient

James H. Flatley III, Rear Admiral

Carl Higbie, former Navy SEAL and author

Robert R. Ingram, Hospital Corpsman, Medal of Honor recipient

J. Adrian Jackson, Rear Admiral

Jerome L. Johnson, Admiral, Vice Chief of Naval Operations (1990–92)

Richard B. Landolt, Admiral

Marcus Luttrell, former Navy SEAL and TV host

James Lyons, Admiral

William J. McDaniel, Rear Admiral

Robert J. Spane, Vice Admiral

Robert F. Schoultz, Vice Admiral

John B. Totushek, Vice Admiral

Jerry L. Unruh, Vice Admiral, Commander of the Third Fleet (1992–94)

Michael E. Thornton, Lieutenant, Medal of Honor recipient

Everyone seems pretty upset and certain we are heading for doom and gloom. I am not saying we are not headed to more trying and hard times and that we do not have some critical choices to make. Just that there are reasons to be optimistic and happy if we look. Particularly those of us with children.I would recommend reading Boyd K Packers October 2011 Conference Talk titled "Counsel to Youth" Pay particular attention to the last couple paragraphs and the promises he makes.

One other thing lets not forget the Lord is in control.I honestly do not believe that either candidate is healthy enough to survive a full term anyways.Just my opinion I do not have any inside source.

Ddawg wrote:

Exactly. It's irreversible. The country is over. So why continue doing what you're doing? If it's over, you need to make major changes to your life to get ready to defend your family from the coming doom. You don't have time to waste.

That is YOUR spin. If you want to play a childish game of "Gotcha" with word traps - I don't have the inclination or the time. I will engage in substantial, adult conversations about the issues any time. But if you want to lay word traps, be dishonest by twisting and torturing what I have posted into something I did not say - I won't play your game. I use to think that you and this board was better than that.

And I used to think you weren't an over-reactionary boob. See we both can play this game.



Apparently I have more faith in this country than you do. I guess, I think the Constitution is stronger than a corrupt, dishonest and evil politician like Hillary Clinton. Hillary is going to be an truly abysmal president of epic proportions. But hopefully, real conservatives can come together and return to the principles that can restore this nation to greatness.



A god-king like Trump isn't the answer. He's more of the problem. It's going to take conservative principles of liberty, limited government, common decency, integrity, hard work and tough love. It's going to take more than just hating Obama and Hillary so much that you become so blinded that you actually wind up helping them stay IN power by nominating disreputable human beings like Trump to "save" us.



So THE question is, how do conservatives stop bowing at the altar of talk radio who don't care about the conservative principles I listed because all they want is more money and more listeners? How do we cleanse the plutocrats, autocrats, bureaucrats and Fox News elites from holding the principles of freedom back?



I don't fully know, but saying the country is done isn't it.

The problem I see at this point is every criticism you can level at Hillary, you can level it at Trump. Every defense you can muster for Trump, you could apply to Hillary (e.g. "Trump said those things 10 years ago--it's in the past!", so that takes everything pre-2005 off the table for Hillary, wouldn't it?).



At this point, the only difference I can see between the two is that if Trump wins (he won't), the republicans can call it a "win", even if in name only because then they are stuck with him as long as he can go unimpeached. Otherwise, it all comes down to animus---I think people hate Hillary/Obama/DNC so much that they prefer nuking themselves to waiting for her to do it.

snoscythe wrote:
The problem I see at this point is every criticism you can level at Hillary, you can level it at Trump. Every defense you can muster for Trump, you could apply to Hillary (e.g. "Trump said those things 10 years ago--it's in the past!", so that takes everything pre-2005 off the table for Hillary, wouldn't it?).



At this point, the only difference I can see between the two is that if Trump wins (he won't), the republicans can call it a "win", even if in name only because then they are stuck with him as long as he can go unimpeached. Otherwise, it all comes down to animus---I think people hate Hillary/Obama/DNC so much that they prefer nuking themselves to waiting for her to do it.

Well... except leaving people for dead and deleting tens of thousands (and maybe more) emails while sitting in an official role for the US.

Maybe Russia and/or Wikileaks still have a card to play.