Democratic Party = The True Fascists

BroncoBot wrote:

And to date, any journalist can express any opinion he/she wants. It's not even close to Russia yet where putin has killed who-knows-how-many reporters.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia



I think what trump said was dumb. But the press acting like they are being herded up and killed doesn't make me feel even a little sorry for them. The press has been irresponsible and certainly has favorites (both sides). It's the emotional driven inconsistency that drives me crazy.

Yes, what he said was dumb. But it was more than just that. It shows his general disregard for Constitutional freedoms if they get in the way of his own ambitions.



This isn't about violence against the media. Yeah, of course it's great it hasn't come to that. That doesn't mean saying things that fly in the face of the Constitution is ok. If our standard for caring about this is wait until people are being jailed or killed in the name of free speech/press, then it is already tragically too late.

SpiffCoug wrote:

SpiffCoug wrote:

Never put more thought into a Trump tweet than Trump does.

Fair enough. But he is the President of the United States of America. Our country has for a long time been the leader of the free world and in numerous ways, not just militarily, the most powerful nation in the world. I can give the short shrift Trump’s tweets deserve, but they still embarrass the office of the Presidency and this nation. The tweets undercut our causes, and put our nation in a tougher spot in various ways. Any sane person would recognize that and stop. I can ignore his tweets but the world is not and as a result our position is weaker. And as conservative writer David French said in the National Review today, Trump’s tweets are doing long term harm to the Republican Party and principles of liberty.

I agree. Trump's twitter account is awful for his administration and awful for the nation. It adds to the irreconciliable political divide currently infesting our nation. It is poisoning conservatism. It is a blight on the office.



But Trump still doesn't - and likely never will - understand the gravitas required of his current position.

I agree. God Bless the United States of America!

When Steve Bannon starts saying he thinks there's a 70% chance Trump won't make it to 4 full years, and knowing that guy doesn't do or say anything that isn't self-serving, it makes me wonder what his angle is and what he's planning on doing.

BlueK wrote:

When Steve Bannon starts saying he thinks there's a 70% chance Trump won't make it to 4 full years, and knowing that guy doesn't do or say anything that isn't self-serving, it makes me wonder what his angle is and what he's planning on doing.

I'd plan on u more years of Trump.

Snoscythe is 100% correct. Snoscythe is spot on.

BTW, if anybody has any doubts about the commitment of hardcore leftist George Soros to support Antifa and the leftist organizations - the WSJ is reporting today that Soros transferred $18 billion (that's BILLION) to his left wing supporting "Open Society Foundation."



Anyone have any doubts about where the money is coming from for Antifa, Black Lives Matter, anti-Israel groups, Democrat voter mobilization efforts, Open Border groups, American Constitution Society (recruits and indoctrinates law students with leftist doctrine and places them in positions of power), he views the USA as the primary cause of human suffering in the world and wants to undermine U.S. world power, etc, etc. Supports ACORN, MoveOn.org, supports pushing the Democrat party to the left (hard left) and is anti-capitalist and dedicated to training and funding future leftist leaders as teachers, politicians, lawyers, and activists.



Anybody doubting the commitment of the left to defeat and destabilize Constitution loving Americans better wake up. The Bill of Rights (make that 1st and 2nd Amendments) is at risk. It's a matter of time.



Snoscythe is 100% correct.

Do any of you guys agree with the current GOP purge movement pushed by Steve Bannon? Personally I think it's extremely short sighted, but we'll see what happens. Not sure how "establishment" got to be such a dirty word among the Trumpist faction. Well, maybe it's not that hard to understand if you see this as more of a hostile takeover of an existing party.

BlueK wrote:

Do any of you guys agree with the current GOP purge movement pushed by Steve Bannon? Personally I think it's extremely short sighted, but we'll see what happens. Not sure how "establishment" got to be such a dirty word among the Trumpist faction. Well, maybe it's not that hard to understand if you see this as more of a hostile takeover of an existing party.

Curious, do you agree with McCain blocking the repeal of ObamaCare? It's obvious McCain and Trump have a personal beef going. Personal beef aside, what about what is right for the American people and America itself?

Ddawg wrote:

Do any of you guys agree with the current GOP purge movement pushed by Steve Bannon? Personally I think it's extremely short sighted, but we'll see what happens. Not sure how "establishment" got to be such a dirty word among the Trumpist faction. Well, maybe it's not that hard to understand if you see this as more of a hostile takeover of an existing party.

Curious, do you agree with McCain blocking the repeal of ObamaCare? It's obvious McCain and Trump have a personal beef going. Personal beef aside, what about what is right for the American people and America itself?

Trump campaigned on something way different than the law that was proposed. That's what makes this so strange in some ways. And really it's a significant portion of his base that would have been hurt had it passed. To me and many republicans it doesn't matter because our coverage is good already. But Trump if you listen to the things he actually said about healthcare, he really campaigned for even more socialized medicine than Obamacare is: even lower deductibles, more coverage for everyone, universal coverage, etc. He's not really a details guy, and he did call the House version "mean" once he learned some of the details. I think his main problem with Obamacare is that it has Obama's name on it.

BlueK wrote:

Trump campaigned on something way different than the law that was proposed. That's what makes this so strange in some ways. And really it's a significant portion of his base that would have been hurt had it passed. To me and many republicans it doesn't matter because our coverage is good already. But Trump if you listen to the things he actually said about healthcare campaigned for even more socialized medicine than Obamacare is.

Thank you. That wasn't the question.

Do you agree with McCain blocking the effort to repeal ObamaCare?

Ddawg wrote:

Trump campaigned on something way different than the law that was proposed. That's what makes this so strange in some ways. And really it's a significant portion of his base that would have been hurt had it passed. To me and many republicans it doesn't matter because our coverage is good already. But Trump if you listen to the things he actually said about healthcare campaigned for even more socialized medicine than Obamacare is.

Thank you. That wasn't the question.

Do you agree with McCain blocking the effort to repeal ObamaCare?

It's hard to answer that because I honestly didn't care either way. It's never been that pressing of an issue for me because it doesn't affect my coverage. I do think it's not a good thing that we've gotten to where it's considered evil for both parties to work together. If you can't pass something with only your own party's votes then that's a horrible thing. That's not what the Founders intended.



I worry that we're becoming like the Jaredites -- not really much rhyme or reason or principles. It's just about each side wanting to destroy the other until everyone is dead.

BoiseBYU wrote:

BoiseBYU wrote:

Never put more thought into a Trump tweet than Trump does.

Fair enough. But he is the President of the United States of America. Our country has for a long time been the leader of the free world and in numerous ways, not just militarily, the most powerful nation in the world. I can give the short shrift Trump’s tweets deserve, but they still embarrass the office of the Presidency and this nation. The tweets undercut our causes, and put our nation in a tougher spot in various ways. Any sane person would recognize that and stop. I can ignore his tweets but the world is not and as a result our position is weaker. And as conservative writer David French said in the National Review today, Trump’s tweets are doing long term harm to the Republican Party and principles of liberty.

I agree. Trump's twitter account is awful for his administration and awful for the nation. It adds to the irreconciliable political divide currently infesting our nation. It is poisoning conservatism. It is a blight on the office.



But Trump still doesn't - and likely never will - understand the gravitas required of his current position.

I agree. God Bless the United States of America!

I disagree. If you haven't noted what Mr. Trump has worked on like sex trafficking, dumping the Paris climate accord and our paying for it, releasing unnecessary staff and many other things, my listing them would be superfluous.

Mars wrote:

Places like Hollywood definitely do seem to adopt a monolithic group-think. L.A. and New York control a lot of our media, and conservatives don't seem to last long there.

This I can agree with.

nuk13 wrote:

SpiffCoug wrote:

SpiffCoug wrote:

Never put more thought into a Trump tweet than Trump does.

Fair enough. But he is the President of the United States of America. Our country has for a long time been the leader of the free world and in numerous ways, not just militarily, the most powerful nation in the world. I can give the short shrift Trump’s tweets deserve, but they still embarrass the office of the Presidency and this nation. The tweets undercut our causes, and put our nation in a tougher spot in various ways. Any sane person would recognize that and stop. I can ignore his tweets but the world is not and as a result our position is weaker. And as conservative writer David French said in the National Review today, Trump’s tweets are doing long term harm to the Republican Party and principles of liberty.

I agree. Trump's twitter account is awful for his administration and awful for the nation. It adds to the irreconciliable political divide currently infesting our nation. It is poisoning conservatism. It is a blight on the office.



But Trump still doesn't - and likely never will - understand the gravitas required of his current position.

I agree. God Bless the United States of America!

I disagree. If you haven't noted what Mr. Trump has worked on like sex trafficking, dumping the Paris climate accord and our paying for it, releasing unnecessary staff and many other things, my listing them would be superfluous.

I honestly think Trump's twitter use is genius. Distracts from his pretty thorough dismantling of Obama's legacy.

GREAT speech by fellow Cougar and LDS Senator Jeff Flake today. Hit the nail on the head about everything that's wrong with the republicans today.

BlueK wrote:

GREAT speech by fellow Cougar and LDS Senator Jeff Flake today. Hit the nail on the head about everything that's wrong with the republicans today.

Not really.



Flake was very unpopular in Az and had zero chance of winning re-election, because of his positions. His positions made him unelectable. Flake attacks Republicans, Conservatives, and a sitting GOP president. What does he expect.



"Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) said he would not be able to win the Republican primary, "that's the bottom line." Flake complained, calling Republican primary voters "a subset of a subset."



https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/10/25/flake_i_could_not_win_in_a_republican_primary_thats_the_bottom_line.html

BlueK wrote:

GREAT speech by fellow Cougar and LDS Senator Jeff Flake today. Hit the nail on the head about everything that's wrong with the republicans today.

I liked his speech too.

BoiseBYU wrote:

GREAT speech by fellow Cougar and LDS Senator Jeff Flake today. Hit the nail on the head about everything that's wrong with the republicans today.

I liked his speech too.

Thirded.

Mars wrote:

BlueK wrote:

GREAT speech by fellow Cougar and LDS Senator Jeff Flake today. Hit the nail on the head about everything that's wrong with the republicans today.

I liked his speech too.

Thirded.

Of course the collected "Never Trump" crowd would like the speech delivered by Sen. Flake. Liking it does not mean he is correct - regardless of how sincere he is. There is a reason why Sen. Flake approval ratings hit 18% in AZ. His own constituents have rejected his views soundly.

BlueK wrote:

GREAT speech by fellow Cougar and LDS Senator Jeff Flake today. Hit the nail on the head about everything that's wrong with the republicans today.

The "fellow cougar and LDS senator" is one of my least favorite angles ever. Haven't listened to Flake's speech yet, but I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt because he goes to church.

LDS people seem very willing to accept the views of any politician/celebrity who attends church with them.

Just like Americans seem so ready to listen and pander to whatever garbage hollywood celebs have to say.