Can we please refrain from villainizing the schwenkes

Mars wrote:

Phillips chose byu because he love it and byu has done an amazing job recruiting him. Also because his options were limited.

Kona is also quoted as saying "I love BYU". Phillips was recruited by Alabama, Michigan, and Cincinnati, among others. Phillips kept true to his word though, while Schwenke threw the blessing of a BYU scholarship (an answer to a personal prayer) out the window.



And yes, it will be VERY interesting to see if Schwenke ends up serving a mission now, like he said he wanted to do at BYU. Hopefully his immaturity here doesn't end up costing him THAT as well... :~(

Lawboy wrote:
Yes, and UW fans were wrong for doing so. Just because they did, does not make it right. And just because fans everywhere do it, does not make it ok for BYU fans, right?? Higher standard and all you guys hold BYU to applies to fans as well then, right?



reality is that BYU wil just be fine without him. High recruit, but no guarantee he pans out. Personally, I'd rather we got Heimuli. A strong DT can affect a game more than a DE. But we bailed on him already, unfortunately.

gmj81 wrote:
I pulled this from a post over on TBS but nothing in the post was protected information and it was so well-stated that I had to be bring it over:



Must read if you want to know why Bronco pulled the scholly

It's long so just read the highlighted part if you want the quick version.





“I just got a call back from Notre Dame and they confirmed that the offer was made, so we’re going to fly up there tomorrow afternoon,” Mr. Schwenke said. “We’re excited. I know Kona is also excited. We’re absolutely excited about the events over the past couple days and we’re looking forward to coming over there and seeing the school, meeting the coaches, as well as some of the faculty members.



“The history of Notre Dame, and everything about the school, being a parent has us excited. I remember watching some of the old Notre Dame games from way, way back and to get the opportunity to get an offer from Notre Dame is something that is beyond words for myself, and I know I can speak for my wide as well. We’re just excited to come up there and visit and check out the campus and check out the school. I know Kona is very excited as well.”



“Based on the conversations that we’ve had with the coaches, they’re very gracious and very accommodating to us, and it will be very exciting to meet them face to face,” the Mr. Schwenke explained. “I don’t doubt there is a lot of sincerity in their voices and that they’re caring people that want the best for our son. There’s nothing that I sense from our conversations that would make me feel otherwise. I felt really god about the conversations I’ve had with the coaches thus far.”

http://byu.scout.com/2/941589.html



"I'm really excited about coming up to Notre Dame and seeing their school," Schwenke said. "I've been pretty interested since Notre Dame came down to our school and talked to me. I'm real excited to come up there and see the campus."



"I just heard from Manti (Te'o) and Roby (Toma) that Notre Dame is a great place, and the school is great up there and the academics are good. I just heard from them, and my dad was just telling me about Notre Dame and how great it is because he's been following them. I'm just excited to come check it out."



http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf...ting/onthetrail







Now compare all of the quotes from up above with the ones down below. It starts to get really weird. The quotes on top happened before the quotes on bottom. Probably a couple of days between the two.







“We told Coach Mendenhall that Kona is 100 percent committed to BYU and that taking a trip to Notre Dame didn’t detract from his commitment, that he just wanted the opportunity to visit some friends,” informed Kona’s father McKay. “Kona has prayed about it and the answer he received was that BYU was the school he needed to sign with and I told Bronco that, so it’s hard for me to understand why he can’t take Kona’s word on this.”



“It’s an ugly side to BYU that we didn’t see until just this week and we’re extremely disappointed by all of this,” said McKay. “My son gave them his word and that still apparently wasn’t good enough. He wants to trip to Notre Dame and we’re going there because we believe that it’s not something that is disrespecting BYU by doing so. They told us that they would pull his offer if he goes to Notre Dame and hopefully they change their minds, but we don’t believe we’re doing anything wrong here. We were never told beforehand that we couldn’t trip to other schools if we wanted to keep our BYU offer, so them telling us so now that it’s so late doesn’t show a lot of trust in their part.”



“He still wants to go to BYU, even now, but he doesn’t feel that he should be treated this way by the coaches there,” summed up McKay regarding Kona’s mindset. “It’s truly an unfortunate thing, but all we can do is move on and decide between Notre Dame and Washington.”





Bronco aint no Dummy!!

Lawboy wrote:
Personally, I'd rather we got Heimuli. A strong DT can affect a game more than a DE. But we bailed on him already, unfortunately.

jonnylingo wrote:
And michigan and alabama didn't make offers to phillips. if that happens things change, i guarantee it. in that case, I don't think its wise to say if you trip you lose out. Not when with programs like that. You recruit them the best you can hope they pick you. you don't just throw it in the garbage which is is what you will be doing if programs like that is who you are going up against.

snoscythe wrote:

Personally, I'd rather we got Heimuli. A strong DT can affect a game more than a DE. But we bailed on him already, unfortunately.

Yeah, we bailed on him, in part because we were holding a scholarship for Schwenke, under the mistaken impression he could be trusted.

jonnylingo wrote:

snoscythe wrote:
Treat the recruits like men and quit babying them. Then can get babied at Notre Dame and UW and be done playing football in time for finals every year. Yeah, the rule says they can change their mind at any time before signing day, but NCAA rules also allow drinking, porn, and extra-marital sex. We expect more here. I'm just glad this is all getting out of the way this recruiting year so it won't be a surprise to anyone in the future.

AMEN! Very well said, I completely agree.

You guys are unbelievable. you are saying that because he is tripping to nd he is probably going to drink, look at orn and have premarital sex and we are lucky that we don't have him because he probably would have done that stuff had he come to byu??? Where the hell is that logic coming from!!! how does him keeping his verbal commitment to byu in anyway suggest he can't commit to living the honor code? are you serious? If I were kona, if that was what the coaches were telling me, i wouldn't go there either.



i can't talk with people like that. You call that reasoning? Its this kind of thinking that makes people hate byu. it make me hate part of it. its so freaking lame.

jonnylingo wrote:
I get it, I get it. I just get annoyed with people like you who seem so excited to throw things like this in people's face... why do we have to go there? that is exactly what I am talking about. its ridiculous.

jonnylingo wrote:
I dont' get the feeling that Mars holds himself to the same standards that he does others. Mars has surely always followed every prompting that he has received or never waffled after he has given his word.

jonnylingo wrote:

jonnylingo wrote:


I get it, I get it. I just get annoyed with people like you who seem so excited to throw things like this in people's face. We know about the prayer, we know. i just see the schwenke's point of view. I can see where they are coming from. Would you like it if you were in his shoes and bronco quetioned your ability to live the honor code because you were deciding to trip to notre dame? It would tick me off too, even if had had my "prayers answered". And who cares if he serves a mission. why do we have to go there? that is exactly what I am talking about. its ridiculous.



And michigan and alabama didn't make offers to phillips. if that happens things change, i guarantee it. in that case, I don't think its wise to say if you trip you lose out. Not when with programs like that. You recruit them the best you can hope they pick you. you don't just throw it in the garbage which is is what you will be doing if programs like that is who you are going up against.

gmj81 wrote:

gmj81--quit villanizing the Scwhankas!!!!!





;)

I'm sorry, I'm just a villainizer. But what can I say, I do enjoy villainizing. I mean really, what else is better in life than to villainize? I just love to get my kicks out of making villains out of other folks.

gmj81 His latest reaction to be left out in the cold makes it obvious he's been looking for a long time for evidence to provide his family that BYU is evil and not where he should be.

bigbluepuma wrote:

Mars wrote:

I get it, I get it. I just get annoyed with people like you who seem so excited to throw things like this in people's face. We know about the prayer, we know. i just see the schwenke's point of view. I can see where they are coming from. Would you like it if you were in his shoes and bronco quetioned your ability to live the honor code because you were deciding to trip to notre dame? It would tick me off too, even if had had my "prayers answered". And who cares if he serves a mission. why do we have to go there? that is exactly what I am talking about. its ridiculous.



And michigan and alabama didn't make offers to phillips. if that happens things change, i guarantee it. in that case, I don't think its wise to say if you trip you lose out. Not when with programs like that. You recruit them the best you can hope they pick you. you don't just throw it in the garbage which is is what you will be doing if programs like that is who you are going up against.

I disagree. He attended Michigan's camp. It was his dream to play at Michigan. I don't want to take anything away from Phillips though. He is my favorite recruit this year.

Because he didn't encourage them, given that he was already committed to BYU.

jonnylingo wrote:

Yes, and UW fans were wrong for doing so. Just because they did, does not make it right. And just because fans everywhere do it, does not make it ok for BYU fans, right?? Higher standard and all you guys hold BYU to applies to fans as well then, right?



reality is that BYU wil just be fine without him. High recruit, but no guarantee he pans out. Personally, I'd rather we got Heimuli. A strong DT can affect a game more than a DE. But we bailed on him already, unfortunately.

I dont' get the feeling that Mars holds himself to the same standards that he does others. Mars has surely always followed every prompting that he has received or never waffled after he has given his word.

Mars wrote:

I dont' get the feeling that Mars holds himself to the same standards that he does others. Mars has surely always followed every prompting that he has received or never waffled after he has given his word.

Your position was weak enough as it was without sinking even lower to stuff like this. Just stick to playing Kona's lawyer and leave the personal attacks out of it. You adulterous drunkard. ;)

jonnylingo wrote:

jonnylingo wrote:
I dont' get the feeling that Mars holds himself to the same standards that he does others. Mars has surely always followed every prompting that he has received or never waffled after he has given his word.

Your position was weak enough as it was without sinking even lower to stuff like this. Just stick to playing Kona's lawyer and leave the personal attacks out of it. You adulterous drunkard. ;)

Just pointing out how annoying it is when people do it to you.



And by the way. I think Kona will regret his decision. I really do. Its hard to understand what he is doing. I am not interested in being his lawyer. I just get tired of those who feel it is there job to hold others to their lofty ideals so strenuously and with such venom. His is a high school kid who screwed BYU. We all know it and are hur by it. I just don't see why you have to attack his character so vehemently. it obviously got on my nerves.



Now just let me go commit adultery and get drunk in peace.

Ddawg wrote:

Mars wrote:

I dont' get the feeling that Mars holds himself to the same standards that he does others. Mars has surely always followed every prompting that he has received or never waffled after he has given his word.

Your position was weak enough as it was without sinking even lower to stuff like this. Just stick to playing Kona's lawyer and leave the personal attacks out of it. You adulterous drunkard. ;)

Just pointing out how annoying it is when people do it to you.



And by the way. I think Kona will regret his decision. I really do. Its hard to understand what he is doing. I am not interested in being his lawyer. I just get tired of those who feel it is there job to hold others to their lofty ideals so strenuously and with such venom. His is a high school kid who screwed BYU. We all know it and are hur by it. I just don't see why you have to attack his character so vehemently. it obviously got on my nerves.



Now just let me go commit adultery and get drunk in peace.

I cannot tell you how discouraging this whole incident has been for me. I was genuinely excited about Kona - and all the other recruits. I think I feel so affected - because I love Cougar Football so much - and I love to see them excel at the highest level. That can only happen with the highest quality people - athletically, personal charcter & morally.



I think I'll go drink a Dr. Pepper & drown my sorrows!

;) :crazy:

jonnylingo wrote:

jonnylingo wrote:

jonnylingo wrote:
I dont' get the feeling that Mars holds himself to the same standards that he does others. Mars has surely always followed every prompting that he has received or never waffled after he has given his word.

Your position was weak enough as it was without sinking even lower to stuff like this. Just stick to playing Kona's lawyer and leave the personal attacks out of it. You adulterous drunkard. ;)

Just pointing out how annoying it is when people do it to you.



And by the way. I think Kona will regret his decision. I really do. Its hard to understand what he is doing. I am not interested in being his lawyer. I just get tired of those who feel it is there job to hold others to their lofty ideals so strenuously and with such venom. His is a high school kid who screwed BYU. We all know it and are hur by it. I just don't see why you have to attack his character so vehemently. it obviously got on my nerves.



Now just let me go commit adultery and get drunk in peace.

I cannot tell you how discouraging this whole incident has been for me. I was genuinely excited about Kona - and all the other recruits. I think I feel so affected - because I love Cougar Football so much - and I love to see them excel at the highest level. That can only happen with the highest quality people - athletically, personal charcter & morally.



I think I'll go drink a Dr. Pepper & drown my sorrows!

;) :crazy:

I feel your pain. I feel the same way. I get too invested in this stuff. I need to take a deap breath so it doesn't affect me when I get home to spend time with my family. Kona is a good guy. I really like him and was looking forward to having him on the team. I still wish him luck with his decision. He made a mistake but the future is still bright for byu. we really don't need him. would have been nice to have him, but we don't need him. If he wasn't committed enough to not take the trip after byu asked him not to, i guess it just wasn't meant to be.