Blue White Game Info

frdbtr wrote:

frdbtr, you need to relax. Its no secret Bronco doesn't love the fans. Nobody likes those idiots who boo or say 'replace max'. I in fact got a yelling match with four of them at one of our games. They are morons. That said they are still the fans and they are what make the program work. Bronco doesn't respect that and he seems to take that stuff too seriously. it comes with the territory.



Trust me there will be no blue and white game. bronco will try and find any excuse possible to skip it. he goes out of the way to avoid dealing with fans.



nobody is saying that booing at our own players and yelling at them when we are at home is wrong. i hate those fans, but that is what you get when you have a high profile job. You will always have stupid fans.

Saying "it is no secret that Bronco avoids fans" just doesn't add up to the information that I have read in the past where he went out of his way to stay and visit with fans and their children during Fan days in the past. Saying "it is no secret that Bronco avoids fans" doesn't add up to stories I have heard 2nd hand and in the media about fans who ran into him while he was vacationing to be away from it all and yet he was courteous to them and signed autographs for them. The thing that is frustrating is how short of memories that some of you all have. Until last year when Bronco got after the fans for what was being said in the media and on message boards about Max, everyone thought he was great to the fans. Frankly, Bronco not being friendly to the fans is actually new to me. If Bronco hates fans so much wouldn't he cancel the firesides he does every week during the season since he has to interact with "fans" at those? If you say "it is no secret" I want more data then last years canceling of the blue/white game due to field conditions and last years getting after some morons that wanted to bench Max.

Schmoe wrote:

Short_Change wrote:
This is just purely my opinion, but I think the easiest way for fans to voice that they are displeased by something a player or coach is doing is by booing. A boo can mean a lot of different things. I was at Bronco's first game and I booed. Why did I boo? I was trying to voice my opinion that I did not support the call Bronco made. Did that mean I didn't support Bronco? Heck no! I've always supported him. I was back the next game cheering for Bronco and the rest of the team. How else could I have had a part in voicing my opinion to Bronco about the call he made? He most definitely didn't like it, but it definitely woke him up and made him question his own call. We understand his reasoning for why he punted but I bet he agrees that it was a stupid decision. People don't have to take boos so personal. If I were making a ton of money for coaching I would go into understanding that I could get booed and if I did I probably deserved it by making a bone-headed decision. That's just my two cents.

This is the smartest comment of them all. I 100% agree.



One thing that bothers me is that Bronco mentions the booing in that game every chance he gets.

Every chance he gets? Really? C'mon now, guys, let's be a little more rational. Also, like Short Changed said, booing can mean so many different things, so it's the easiest but least effective way of voicing your opinion as a fan, it's the method of the lazy fan. Write in to your local media, write to Bronco, call in to local radio, create a blog about BYU sports, there are so many ways to voice your opinion, but to just boo? I find it not to be constructive, which good criticism should always be.

frdbtr wrote:
You obviously didn't hear his explanation of his thought process which was to try to pin them deep and then hold them to 3 and out to get the ball back quickly... which didn't work. He said that he admitted it was a bad call because the punter put the ball into the end zone and then BYU's defense didn't stop them from driving the field and getting a field goal. Mars, I respect your opinions most of the time but if you were one of the ones who booed Bronco on his first day, you were being classless on that day.

Schmoe wrote:

Short_Change wrote:
This is just purely my opinion, but I think the easiest way for fans to voice that they are displeased by something a player or coach is doing is by booing. A boo can mean a lot of different things. I was at Bronco's first game and I booed. Why did I boo? I was trying to voice my opinion that I did not support the call Bronco made. Did that mean I didn't support Bronco? Heck no! I've always supported him. I was back the next game cheering for Bronco and the rest of the team. How else could I have had a part in voicing my opinion to Bronco about the call he made? He most definitely didn't like it, but it definitely woke him up and made him question his own call. We understand his reasoning for why he punted but I bet he agrees that it was a stupid decision. People don't have to take boos so personal. If I were making a ton of money for coaching I would go into understanding that I could get booed and if I did I probably deserved it by making a bone-headed decision. That's just my two cents.

This is the smartest comment of them all. I 100% agree.



One thing that bothers me is that Bronco mentions the booing in that game every chance he gets.

Every chance he gets? Really? C'mon now, guys, let's be a little more rational. Also, like Short Changed said, booing can mean so many different things, so it's the easiest but least effective way of voicing your opinion as a fan, it's the method of the lazy fan. Write in to your local media, write to Bronco, call in to local radio, create a blog about BYU sports, there are so many ways to voice your opinion, but to just boo? I find it not to be constructive, which good criticism should always be.

Short_Change wrote:
Here's a question, without the fans could BYU football survive?

snoscythe wrote:
Wait a minute jonnylingo---does he hate the "die hard fans" (from your first post), or does he hate the "lame fans" (your most recent post) ??



Or are they the same?

snoscythe wrote:

Here's a question, without the fans could BYU football survive?

No. But that's kind of a non sequitor. The stadium is selling out, donations are up, and the fan base is energized. While fans complain about lack of access to practices, scrimmages etc, they sure aren't upset enough to close their wallets.



If BYU doesn't have a Blue/White scrimmage open to the public this year, are you going to send less money BYU's way? If Bronco keeps mentioning getting booed are you going to buy fewer t-shirts or cancel your season tickets?



Yes, the football program depends on the fans. If anything though, Bronco has brought more fans back to the fold and reenergized existing fans. To suggest he is keeping fans away or imperiling BYU football is a bit facetious.

Short_Change wrote:
This is just purely my opinion, but I think the easiest way for fans to voice that they are displeased by something a player or coach is doing is by booing. A boo can mean a lot of different things. I was at Bronco's first game and I booed. Why did I boo? I was trying to voice my opinion that I did not support the call Bronco made. Did that mean I didn't support Bronco? Heck no! I've always supported him. I was back the next game cheering for Bronco and the rest of the team. How else could I have had a part in voicing my opinion to Bronco about the call he made? He most definitely didn't like it, but it definitely woke him up and made him question his own call. We understand his reasoning for why he punted but I bet he agrees that it was a stupid decision. People don't have to take boos so personal. If I were making a ton of money for coaching I would go into understanding that I could get booed and if I did I probably deserved it by making a bone-headed decision. That's just my two cents.

jonnylingo wrote:

Wait a minute jonnylingo---does he hate the "die hard fans" (from your first post), or does he hate the "lame fans" (your most recent post) ??



Or are they the same?

Read the post in context and you will understand what my point is. If you want to argue for the sake of arguing you can go ahead and waste your time with that.

frdbtr wrote:

This is just purely my opinion, but I think the easiest way for fans to voice that they are displeased by something a player or coach is doing is by booing. A boo can mean a lot of different things. I was at Bronco's first game and I booed. Why did I boo? I was trying to voice my opinion that I did not support the call Bronco made. Did that mean I didn't support Bronco? Heck no! I've always supported him. I was back the next game cheering for Bronco and the rest of the team. How else could I have had a part in voicing my opinion to Bronco about the call he made? He most definitely didn't like it, but it definitely woke him up and made him question his own call. We understand his reasoning for why he punted but I bet he agrees that it was a stupid decision. People don't have to take boos so personal. If I were making a ton of money for coaching I would go into understanding that I could get booed and if I did I probably deserved it by making a bone-headed decision. That's just my two cents.

Bronco's paycheck has nothing to do with him being humiliated by being booed in his first game. Humiliating our own players by booing them, no matter how you rationalize the act, is classless.

QuarterbackU wrote:

QuarterbackU wrote:

This is just purely my opinion, but I think the easiest way for fans to voice that they are displeased by something a player or coach is doing is by booing. A boo can mean a lot of different things. I was at Bronco's first game and I booed. Why did I boo? I was trying to voice my opinion that I did not support the call Bronco made. Did that mean I didn't support Bronco? Heck no! I've always supported him. I was back the next game cheering for Bronco and the rest of the team. How else could I have had a part in voicing my opinion to Bronco about the call he made? He most definitely didn't like it, but it definitely woke him up and made him question his own call. We understand his reasoning for why he punted but I bet he agrees that it was a stupid decision. People don't have to take boos so personal. If I were making a ton of money for coaching I would go into understanding that I could get booed and if I did I probably deserved it by making a bone-headed decision. That's just my two cents.

This is the smartest comment of them all. I 100% agree.



One thing that bothers me is that Bronco mentions the booing in that game every chance he gets.

Every chance he gets? Really? C'mon now, guys, let's be a little more rational. Also, like Short Changed said, booing can mean so many different things, so it's the easiest but least effective way of voicing your opinion as a fan, it's the method of the lazy fan. Write in to your local media, write to Bronco, call in to local radio, create a blog about BYU sports, there are so many ways to voice your opinion, but to just boo? I find it not to be constructive, which good criticism should always be.

he does mention the booing in that game in a LOT of his speeches/firesides....ALOT. It must have really hurt his feelings because he has not forgotten it. Booing is an essential part of athletics. When I go to a game i go to party/tailgate/ and be crazy not "be constructive." Be constructive would be more appropriate at church or at work maybe.

Short_Change wrote:

Short_Change wrote:
This is just purely my opinion, but I think the easiest way for fans to voice that they are displeased by something a player or coach is doing is by booing. A boo can mean a lot of different things. I was at Bronco's first game and I booed. Why did I boo? I was trying to voice my opinion that I did not support the call Bronco made. Did that mean I didn't support Bronco? Heck no! I've always supported him. I was back the next game cheering for Bronco and the rest of the team. How else could I have had a part in voicing my opinion to Bronco about the call he made? He most definitely didn't like it, but it definitely woke him up and made him question his own call. We understand his reasoning for why he punted but I bet he agrees that it was a stupid decision. People don't have to take boos so personal. If I were making a ton of money for coaching I would go into understanding that I could get booed and if I did I probably deserved it by making a bone-headed decision. That's just my two cents.

Bronco's paycheck has nothing to do with him being humiliated by being booed in his first game. Humiliating our own players by booing them, no matter how you rationalize the act, is classless.

The only reason why a coach gets paid as much as he does is because of the fans. Without fans we wouldn't pay athletes or coaches in any sport. Fans rule the sport world. If you're getting paid big bucks as a coach there will be times that you will be praised and cheered for and it will be deserved. There will also be times when you make mistakes and the fans will let you know. I see nothing wrong with that. I didn't boo to hurt Bronco's feelings, I booed to let him know that he made a mistake. You see that as classless and I don't. There are few times that I boo and when I do I deem them as deserved. As a coach that comes with the territory. If you get offended by that after all the fans have done then that's your problem.

snoscythe wrote:

frdbtr wrote:

This is just purely my opinion, but I think the easiest way for fans to voice that they are displeased by something a player or coach is doing is by booing. A boo can mean a lot of different things. I was at Bronco's first game and I booed. Why did I boo? I was trying to voice my opinion that I did not support the call Bronco made. Did that mean I didn't support Bronco? Heck no! I've always supported him. I was back the next game cheering for Bronco and the rest of the team. How else could I have had a part in voicing my opinion to Bronco about the call he made? He most definitely didn't like it, but it definitely woke him up and made him question his own call. We understand his reasoning for why he punted but I bet he agrees that it was a stupid decision. People don't have to take boos so personal. If I were making a ton of money for coaching I would go into understanding that I could get booed and if I did I probably deserved it by making a bone-headed decision. That's just my two cents.

Bronco's paycheck has nothing to do with him being humiliated by being booed in his first game. Humiliating our own players by booing them, no matter how you rationalize the act, is classless.

The only reason why a coach gets paid as much as he does is because of the fans. Without fans we wouldn't pay athletes or coaches in any sport. Fans rule the sport world. If you're getting paid big bucks as a coach there will be times that you will be praised and cheered for and it will be deserved. There will also be times when you make mistakes and the fans will let you know. I see nothing wrong with that. I didn't boo to hurt Bronco's feelings, I booed to let him know that he made a mistake. You see that as classless and I don't. There are few times that I boo and when I do I deem them as deserved. As a coach that comes with the territory. If you get offended by that after all the fans have done then that's your problem.

Unless you are Legacy Club member in the Coaches' Circle, your money is not paying Bronco's (or Rose's) salary. I guess only Coaches Circle members have the right to boo those guys.

frdbtr wrote:
Bronco's paycheck has nothing to do with him being humiliated by being booed in his first game. Humiliating our own players by booing them, no matter how you rationalize the act, is classless.

Mars wrote:

Bronco's paycheck has nothing to do with him being humiliated by being booed in his first game. Humiliating our own players by booing them, no matter how you rationalize the act, is classless.

Everyone has the right to make their own opinion, but this train of thought has always been stupid to me. It's like saying it's classless for a teacher to give a bad paper a C-. Just unbelievable to me that some people actually think this way.

Schmoe wrote:
If they don't give any feedback on how to write a better paper, then yes, it's totally pointless.

Mars wrote:

If they don't give any feedback on how to write a better paper, then yes, it's totally pointless.

If you boo when the coach calls a punt down 14 late in the game, do you REALLY think he doesn't know my "feedback" is suggesting that next time, he go for it on 4th down? Because Bronco knew post-game exactly what the boos meant. And he agreed they were right and he was not.

Schmoe wrote:
I was just pointing out that your analogy sucked balls.