Blue White Game Info

Marge: Ya know Homer, it's easy to criticize...

Homer: Fun too :lol:







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Let's not forget that the Crowton era had just ended and fans were frustrated by those years of futility. It was more about that than about Bronco anyway, and that is just the fact. Fans were frustrated, were losing at home--again--and it did look as if Anae had no idea how to call a game that day. Fans wanted to see some aggressiveness, because the play calling didn't offer it. I think Beck threw swing passes to the RB like 60% of his passes that day.



The whole staff has improved so much from that BC game, it is amazing. That's what I think of. The positive from that game.

frdbtr wrote:



Bronco's paycheck has nothing to do with him being humiliated by being booed in his first game. Humiliating our own players by booing them, no matter how you rationalize the act, is classless.

Do you really believe that Bronco was humiliated by being booed over a stupid decision? If so he really is in the wrong line of work. I have a problem with booing players on the team you are supporting. I do not have a problem with booing a coach for giving up on his players.



Let's compare Bronco punting to another dumb coaching move from the NFL. The Patriots are ahead of the Colts late in the game with 4th and 2 around their own 25 yard line. Their coach decides to go for it instead of punting. They don't convert, the Colts get the ball and win easily. If you were a fan of the Patriots would you boo your coach for that decision?



Coaches get $1M plus. Okay to boo. Student athletes get $0. Not okay to boo.

Mars wrote:

I was just pointing out that your analogy sucked balls.

No, YOU suck balls!



;)

My favorite two posts of this thread.

Wickchad84087 wrote:

Bronco's paycheck has nothing to do with him being humiliated by being booed in his first game. Humiliating our own players by booing them, no matter how you rationalize the act, is classless.

Do you really believe that Bronco was humiliated by being booed over a stupid decision? If so he really is in the wrong line of work. I have a problem with booing players on the team you are supporting. I do not have a problem with booing a coach for giving up on his players.



Let's compare Bronco punting to another dumb coaching move from the NFL. The Patriots are ahead of the Colts late in the game with 4th and 2 around their own 25 yard line. Their coach decides to go for it instead of punting. They don't convert, the Colts get the ball and win easily. If you were a fan of the Patriots would you boo your coach for that decision?



Coaches get $1M plus. Okay to boo. Student athletes get $0. Not okay to boo.

So, the fact that Bronco makes a lot of money is supposed to make it so he no longer feels humiliation? Let me think, you are in front of 50,000 people, you make a call that you feel is the safe thing to do and has a small probablilty of working and you hear the entire fan base start to boo. If it were you in that situation, would you think "I make a lot of money so I expect this to happen with unpopular decisions". I don't think you would, you would be mad, humiliated and hurt. Then a couple years later when you have dominated for 4 years in a row, would you not let that same fan base know that you still haven't forgotten the humiliation that you endured at their hands? You guys really need to think of this on a human level and not a financial level.

So...uh...just wanted to say thanks for the info about the Blue/White game. If you have anything else RELATED TO IT will you send me a PM or start a new thread with a recognizable title so I can find it easier? Because this thread I just read through hoping to find answers only had like 2.



Go Cougs!!!

J. Child

Ammon, ID

frdbtr wrote:

So, the fact that Bronco makes a lot of money is supposed to make it so he no longer feels humiliation? Let me think, you are in front of 50,000 people, you make a call that you feel is the safe thing to do and has a small probablilty of working and you hear the entire fan base start to boo. If it were you in that situation, would you think "I make a lot of money so I expect this to happen with unpopular decisions". I don't think you would, you would be mad, humiliated and hurt. Then a couple years later when you have dominated for 4 years in a row, would you not let that same fan base know that you still haven't forgotten the humiliation that you endured at their hands? You guys really need to think of this on a human level and not a financial level.

Only women hold grudges for four years.



If Bronco can't handle 65,000 people voicing their opinion of a bonehead call then maybe he should reduce his responsibilities to organizing firesides.



If I were in that situation (and was qualified to do the job and got the big paycheck) I would look back on why I was the only one in the stadium who didn't know the right thing to do. I probably wouldn't bring it up again if I was absolutely wrong. If I made a call that nobody agreed with and won the game because of it I might rub it in a little, but I wouldn't carry it with me for 4 years. Let it go. If he carries things like that then he will burn out as a head coach very quickly. Guess what, 65,000 fans at the game want BYU to win. They don't care about the head coaches feelings.

AmmonCougar1 wrote:
So...uh...just wanted to say thanks for the info about the Blue/White game. If you have anything else RELATED TO IT will you send me a PM or start a new thread with a recognizable title so I can find it easier? Because this thread I just read through hoping to find answers only had like 2.



Go Cougs!!!

J. Child

Ammon, ID

How dare you interupt our discussion on booing coaches to ask a question about what the thread was originally intended for... ;)


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jonnylingo wrote:

Schmoe wrote:
I was just pointing out that your analogy sucked balls.

No, YOU suck balls!



;)

My favorite two posts of this thread.

Hahaha, it's definitely the offseason, isn't it? :lol:

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Somehow I suspect that Mars has that shirt hanging in his closet and has just been waiting for the right moment to wear it (which, in reality, is never, but it won't get any more appropriate than this goofy conversation).

Schmoe wrote:
Somehow I suspect that Mars has that shirt hanging in his closet and has just been waiting for the right moment to wear it (which, in reality, is never, but it won't get any more appropriate than this goofy conversation).

No, I have this one:



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AmmonCougar1 wrote:
So...uh...just wanted to say thanks for the info about the Blue/White game. If you have anything else RELATED TO IT will you send me a PM or start a new thread with a recognizable title so I can find it easier? Because this thread I just read through hoping to find answers only had like 2.



Go Cougs!!!

J. Child

Ammon, ID

i gave you the answer you need. there is not going to be one.

I don't know if this has been talked about. Has it been announced when spring ball starts up??? I just read an article from the Salt Lake Trib stating that Utah starts up this Tues.

The Utes start earlier and go later because they take a spring break in the middle of their semester. BYU doesn't have one, which is why we start a week later.

frdbtr wrote:

This is just purely my opinion, but I think the easiest way for fans to voice that they are displeased by something a player or coach is doing is by booing. A boo can mean a lot of different things. I was at Bronco's first game and I booed. Why did I boo? I was trying to voice my opinion that I did not support the call Bronco made. Did that mean I didn't support Bronco? Heck no! I've always supported him. I was back the next game cheering for Bronco and the rest of the team. How else could I have had a part in voicing my opinion to Bronco about the call he made? He most definitely didn't like it, but it definitely woke him up and made him question his own call. We understand his reasoning for why he punted but I bet he agrees that it was a stupid decision. People don't have to take boos so personal. If I were making a ton of money for coaching I would go into understanding that I could get booed and if I did I probably deserved it by making a bone-headed decision. That's just my two cents.

Bronco's paycheck has nothing to do with him being humiliated by being booed in his first game. Humiliating our own players by booing them, no matter how you rationalize the act, is classless.

It is also COUNTER PRODUCTIVE! Why is it that "we," as fans, think that we have the right to boo and humiliate the human players and coaches for their performance or decisions, when we are imperfect in our own performance and decisions, just because they are being paid, or receiving a schollie, or simply "on the team?" What message do we think we are giving them? A boo (other than at, say... a referee) is a very generic communication, that very rarely conveys you did "this specific thing" wrong. It usually means, and is ALWAYS heard as "I don't like you." When teams are booed by their own fans, who are supposed to be supporting them, the result is always humiliation, discouragement and loss of confidence, NOT motivation. Athletic performance depends, in great measure, on the performers' mental state and confidence. That is why we go to the games to cheer our team on. The more excited and happy they feel, the better they play. Why don't some of us get that? Haven't we noticed that, in our own games? I certainly have!



In the case in point, Bronco figured out why he was being booed, but still got the message that they ALWAYS get when booed. With 20-20 hind sight, he could see that perhaps, under the extreme pressure of being a brand new head coach in a very big game, he perhaps didn't make the best decision. What if it had worked like he envisioned it? Would it have still been a "bonehead" call? What if (as in the pro. game someone cited) he had made the opposite decision, and not made it, and the opponent scored. Would the same loyal fans have booed him for that? What message, about the call, did he get from the "armchair coach" fans, that he couldn't have figured out all by himself, without being humiliated in front of literally millions of stadium, TV and radio observers, from both teams' fan bases and national observers?



I have been new on a number of jobs in my lifetime. If I had been humiliated, as Bronco was, on my first day, believe me, I would remember it well. Knowing how that felt, and how it would be felt even more deeply by young men in my charge, I would take every opportunity to tell people how wrong it is to treat your own in that manner. Booing your own team is VERY POOR SPORTSMANSHIP, no matter how you rationalize it. Booing one coach because you had been frustrated by another is unconscionable. Booing someone who is just learning his job, (first game....no one can be expected to just step in and do everything right) is rediculuos. Most of all, nothing good comes of it, and a lot of bad comes of it. It is, and always will be counter productive.

bigbluepuma wrote:
Why is it that "we," as fans, think that we have the right to boo and humiliate the human players and coaches for their performance or decisions

I only boo our robot players and coaches. ;)

Mars wrote:

I only boo our robot players and coaches. ;)

Does not compute! Does not compute! Beep Beep Boop...BOOM!!

Mars wrote:

Why is it that "we," as fans, think that we have the right to boo and humiliate the human players and coaches for their performance or decisions

I only boo our robot players and coaches. ;)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wickchad84087 wrote:

jonnylingo wrote:

I just got off the phone with the BYU football office people and was told that spring practices begin March 15th and that if there is a game (they said Bronco announced on LOI day that it was dependent on the number of healthy players available) then it will be Saturday April 10, 2010. The lady thought 11a but was very clearn to say she did not know for sure.



My next question is what BYU football activities are available for me and my kids to do before and after the game (assuming the play it)? Autographs? Pics? Go on the field? etc? Any info helps. Thanks again!



Go Cougs!!!

J. Child

Ammon, ID

If i were a betting man, I would say there is not going to be a blue and white game this year. Bronco wants as little to do with the fans as possible. Especially those die hard ones.

This is the biggest crock of crap that has ever been stated on this website. Just because Bronco goes to bat for one of his players against the fans (when losers were calling for Max to be benched last year) doesn't mean that Bronco hates all fans. Bronco hates ignorant fans the boo him on his coaching debut and ignorant fans that want a 3 year starter benched because he throws a couple of interceptions. Sorry for the rant, I get irritated sometimes when people make blanket statements without any basis in fact.

I actually get the impression that Bronco has an antagonistic (if that's a word) relationship with the fans right now. Bronco deserved to be booed in his first game coached. He conceded the game by punting when we were down by two scores with time left for a comeback. I still agree with that boo. I don't agree with the idiots calling for Max to be benched though.

NO ONE deserves to be booed by his own fans. That does nothing but hurt. If you want to boo, boo the refs or, better yet, boo Marshmallow Henderson.... I'll help. :evil: