loyd jr leaves BYU

craigoscarson wrote:
Good player,,, poor decision. BYU runs the perfect system for a guard like him. He knew what he was getting into when he signed up. He was poised to be the man on this offense his senior year.



He'll come to regret it. This just means that we'll see Kyle Collinsworth handling the ball a lot more, sooner than expected.



If I were his father, I'd grab the kid by the mohawk and drag him back into Dave Roses office kicking and screaming and do everything it took to get back in his good graces.

Lawboy wrote:

Good player,,, poor decision. BYU runs the perfect system for a guard like him. He knew what he was getting into when he signed up. He was poised to be the man on this offense his senior year.



He'll come to regret it. This just means that we'll see Kyle Collinsworth handling the ball a lot more, sooner than expected.



If I were his father, I'd grab the kid by the mohawk and drag him back into Dave Roses office kicking and screaming and do everything it took to get back in his good graces.

Yeah Craig, but we are LDS, and grew up with much of this. Loyd is not, and to outsiders, alot of this is just silliness, seems petty and intrusive. I get that he agreed to doing it, but the honest truth of the matter is that LDS kids get what they are signing up for with the HC because they grew up with many aspects of it in church life and in their homes. Non-LDs kids just do not, so it is a HUGE culture shift for them. HUGE. Coaches can try to prepare them, but many of these kids really have no idea how different it will be, and I think this stuff just wore Loyd down over time. Unfortunate too. I think he benefits by being here, and I think BYU--as an institution--benefits by his presence and diversity, even if he has some issues with some aspects of the HC.



And I am certain that his non-LDs parent will support him and find some things he got into trouble over plain silly. He broke no laws, made no trouble that society would frown upon, but had issues that the HC does. Too bad. I think the HC debate just got an interesting new Exhibit to consider.

storminmormon wrote:
I had this gut feeling that something was up when Loyd Jr.'s brother did not have BYU under consideration at all during his recruitment.

craigoscarson wrote:

craigoscarson wrote:
Good player,,, poor decision. BYU runs the perfect system for a guard like him. He knew what he was getting into when he signed up. He was poised to be the man on this offense his senior year.



He'll come to regret it. This just means that we'll see Kyle Collinsworth handling the ball a lot more, sooner than expected.



If I were his father, I'd grab the kid by the mohawk and drag him back into Dave Roses office kicking and screaming and do everything it took to get back in his good graces.

Yeah Craig, but we are LDS, and grew up with much of this. Loyd is not, and to outsiders, alot of this is just silliness, seems petty and intrusive. I get that he agreed to doing it, but the honest truth of the matter is that LDS kids get what they are signing up for with the HC because they grew up with many aspects of it in church life and in their homes. Non-LDs kids just do not, so it is a HUGE culture shift for them. HUGE. Coaches can try to prepare them, but many of these kids really have no idea how different it will be, and I think this stuff just wore Loyd down over time. Unfortunate too. I think he benefits by being here, and I think BYU--as an institution--benefits by his presence and diversity, even if he has some issues with some aspects of the HC.



And I am certain that his non-LDs parent will support him and find some things he got into trouble over plain silly. He broke no laws, made no trouble that society would frown upon, but had issues that the HC does. Too bad. I think the HC debate just got an interesting new Exhibit to consider.

The year I was accepted into medical school, I had joined the army reserves to help pay for school....I thought a lot of things that I was made to do in basic training were stupid; many of the soliders I trained with were white trash morons, and I know I was smarter than my drill instructors. Sometimes you just have to shutup, deal with it, and produce. I knew what I signed up for; and ultimately they gave me a lot of money for school.



Michael Loyd is not some poor kid from the hood; he's a suburban boy that has been handed what he wanted since junior high aau ball... if BYU wasn't the right fit for him, it might have dawned on him before he spent 3 years getting free college, room, and board in the program. "Not fitting in" happens as a freshman not after 3 years at the school.



This is about a kid that now sees that he can be a special player and is dealing with entitlement issues... bottom line. Anything else said about a split like this is simply crap.



What parent on earth would agree with their child if they chose a tongue ring over a college education.... and what do you think the odds are of him finishing his college degree now that he's walked away (I'll answer that, it's less likely than a week ago).. I would not allow my child to pass up a pretty sure thing for an unsure future. Not to mention the life lessons of finishing what you start, in spite of difficulty.



BYU does not frown upon individuality and there are enough students on campus that everyone can find their outlet; so what, there are grooming and dress standards (less you forget, MLJ attended a private catholic high school (I assure you that they had a dress code too). It's not Mormon prison; Dave Rose was not telling him what he could eat for breakfast and making him wash dishes for his scholarship.



Some people think the grass is always greener on the other side; and when they get there, they think it's greener somewhere else. Others (like Brian Logan) thrive in this environment because they realize how lucky they are to be there. Michael Loyd was just beginning to hit his stride playing the game he loves, to risk that by transferring over some relatively petty things makes no sense.



Do his parents love him? sure Do they respect his individuality? maybe Would they be smart to ask him to finish what he started? I think so.... at this point it's probably too late...



lesson not learned.



like i said, even if the issues are silly, I'd be dragging my kid back into Dave Roses office and begging him to take him back. The tongue ring can wait 2 years. The lesson of finishing what you start (inspite of difficulty) will last forever.



If Owen Pochman can date the playmate of the year after leaving BYU, Michael Loyd has plenty of time to pursue his individuality. But you don't turn your back on a really good thing now because you're asked to cut your hair a certain way.





I have a thing or two to tell him about unwanted bad haircuts..... it does grow back...

Now that sophomore guard Michael Loyd Jr. has left BYU’s basketball program, does that mean the Cougars will start looking for another player to fill his scholarship?

Probably not.

I’m reasonably certain that the scholarship recently given to junior college transfer Stephen Rogers is the one vacated by Loyd, more proof that Loyd’s departure is not exactly a shocker to BYU coaches.

Loyd’s release also saves BYU coach Dave Rose from having to pull a scholarship from a player who is currently has one -- a reserve player such as Brock Zylstra.

It is all making a little more sense now.

I found it hard to believe that the coaching staff would risk the chance of “over-signing” this year when they pursued Rogers so intensely rather late in the recruiting game, and now I realize they must have seen this coming almost a month ago, maybe longer.

By the way, I’ve been told it wasn’t just one or two things -- such as a pierced tongue, low-riding trousers or an out-of-the-ordinary hairstyle -- that got Loyd and Rose sideways with each other, as Utah Jazz coach Jerry Sloan would put it.

It was a bunch of seemingly little things that ultimately became a big thing.

CougarPeasant wrote:
Didn't Rose and Loyd's dad play ball together at Houston? Didn't Rose recruit Loyd in part because of that friendship? Although dad will publically support his son's decision, he is probably miffed privately given the history he has with Rose and the favor Rose did for the dad.



Just thinking aloud.

craigoscarson wrote:
The year I was accepted into medical school, I had joined the army reserves to help pay for school....I thought a lot of things that I was made to do in basic training were stupid...

CougarPeasant wrote:
Didn't Rose and Loyd's dad play ball together at Houston? Didn't Rose recruit Loyd in part because of that friendship? Although dad will publically support his son's decision, he is probably miffed privately given the history he has with Rose and the favor Rose did for the dad.



Just thinking aloud.

craigoscarson wrote:

btw it was Dave Rice that played with Michael Loyd sr. - you gotta wonder how this fallout affects our future recruiting with Bishop Gorman, including a soph 6'7" wing, Roscoe Allen that the Cougs had their eyes on.

Is Ansor Winder rethinking his commitment? etc....

Lawboy wrote:

Good player,,, poor decision. BYU runs the perfect system for a guard like him. He knew what he was getting into when he signed up. He was poised to be the man on this offense his senior year.



He'll come to regret it. This just means that we'll see Kyle Collinsworth handling the ball a lot more, sooner than expected.



If I were his father, I'd grab the kid by the mohawk and drag him back into Dave Roses office kicking and screaming and do everything it took to get back in his good graces.

Yeah Craig, but we are LDS, and grew up with much of this. Loyd is not, and to outsiders, alot of this is just silliness, seems petty and intrusive. I get that he agreed to doing it, but the honest truth of the matter is that LDS kids get what they are signing up for with the HC because they grew up with many aspects of it in church life and in their homes. Non-LDs kids just do not, so it is a HUGE culture shift for them. HUGE. Coaches can try to prepare them, but many of these kids really have no idea how different it will be, and I think this stuff just wore Loyd down over time. Unfortunate too. I think he benefits by being here, and I think BYU--as an institution--benefits by his presence and diversity, even if he has some issues with some aspects of the HC.



And I am certain that his non-LDs parent will support him and find some things he got into trouble over plain silly. He broke no laws, made no trouble that society would frown upon, but had issues that the HC does. Too bad. I think the HC debate just got an interesting new Exhibit to consider.

Sources have told The Tribune that Loyd was late for team meetings on several occasions, and skipped classes and scheduled meetings with tutors, among other missteps that continually got him on Rose's bad side. And some of his antics such as having a mohawk hairdo during BYU's NCAA Tournament games, or having a pierced tongue, or wearing his trousers extra low, didn't help.



Loyd acknowledged Wednesday that he struggled with some of those things, and that he wasn't "the model BYU basketball player." But he said conforming at one of the most conservative college campuses in the country was not as difficult for him as some have suggested.

Cougarbib2 wrote:
Since Lloyd was not kicked out of school and wants to be at BYU - I suggest the following... Maybe the Lord is giving Lloyd an opportunity to reflect on matters far more important than basketball.