loyd jr leaves BYU

Mars wrote:

Since Lloyd was not kicked out of school and wants to be at BYU - I suggest the following... Maybe the Lord is giving Lloyd an opportunity to reflect on matters far more important than basketball.

See what I mean CougarClaw? ;)

The NERVE of some fans to misspell Llloyd's name.



and I believe my name is spelt KougarKlaw.

Per Loyd, he was forced out, and wanted to stay. He said he parting was not mutual, as BYU claims it to be. Said it was not an HC thing, either. It was a potential academics issue, per Loyd. He said: "How do I put this?" he said. "School is hard for me. I was released more for academics [than any other reason], I would say. There is a lot of stress on me. It is a tough school, a great school. ... It took a lot of work, a lot of time. It was a constant struggle for me to be eligible." He continued: "I am still fuzzy about all the reasons I got released," he said. "It might be just little things. It might be they are tired [of dealing] with me. Because I feel like the school is very strongly based on religion, and the [honor] code. They try not to give anybody any leeway. I know they care about the [basketball] program, and I have proven myself on the court. But they obviously care more about what they stand for than basketball."



Don;t know all the details, just know that he sounds like a good kid who tried to make it work, but for some reason, the higher ups at BYU (Loyd's assertion, not mine) was ready to cut ties with Loyd.



Read it all here:



http://www.sltrib.com/byucougars/ci_15027285

Lawboy wrote:
I know they care about the [basketball] program, and I have proven myself on the court. But they obviously care more about what they stand for than basketball."



Read it all here:



http://www.sltrib.com/byucougars/ci_15027285

I hate the thought of being without Loyd but that part of his quote that I bolded reminds me why I'm proud to be a BYU fan!!!



Go Cougs!!!

J. Child

Ammon, ID

I do not disagree. But I do wonder exactly what the kid did that was so wrong that went against what BYU believes in. His haircut? A tongue ring? If so, then it was an HC issue, in spite of what is being reported and talked about by all parties. Future academics? They are deciding he will already fail at BYU now? Not sure I like that precedent, if it is the case, especially seeing how Bronco and staff bent over backwards to help Manase Tonga. The what? I think the real story is not being told, and if it is, it is silliness.

Like most stories the truth is somewhere in between. I don't think BYU forced him not like Loyd said, nor do I think it was a completely "mutual decision" as BYU has put out. To only believe Loyd's statement's is unfair to BYU and Coach Rose.

Yeah, Loyd's interview didn't really clear the air. At first, he paints it as an academic issue, but later on in the interview, it's plain it wasn't about academics, but all he does is talk in vagueries. Probably got caught donating money to the wrong side of Prop 8 in California.....at least that's my working theory right now.

snoscythe wrote:
Yeah, Loyd's interview didn't really clear the air. At first, he paints it as an academic issue, but later on in the interview, it's plain it wasn't about academics, but all he does is talk in vagueries. Probably got caught donating money to the wrong side of Prop 8 in California.....at least that's my working theory right now.

No--that was the Steve Young family ;)

BoiseBYU wrote:

Yeah, Loyd's interview didn't really clear the air. At first, he paints it as an academic issue, but later on in the interview, it's plain it wasn't about academics, but all he does is talk in vagueries. Probably got caught donating money to the wrong side of Prop 8 in California.....at least that's my working theory right now.

No--that was the Steve Young family ;)

Ouch! Gotta give Steve credit, I don't know how long my marriage would last if my wife and I didn't see eye to eye politically. My bishop and his wife are polar opposites politically and they seem to do okay . . . maybe thats why he's the bishop.

BYULV wrote:

snoscythe wrote:
Yeah, Loyd's interview didn't really clear the air. At first, he paints it as an academic issue, but later on in the interview, it's plain it wasn't about academics, but all he does is talk in vagueries. Probably got caught donating money to the wrong side of Prop 8 in California.....at least that's my working theory right now.

No--that was the Steve Young family ;)

Ouch! Gotta give Steve credit, I don't know how long my marriage would last if my wife and I didn't see eye to eye politically. My bishop and his wife are polar opposites politically and they seem to do okay . . . maybe thats why he's the bishop.

It doesn't hurt that Steve's wife is gorgeous.

craigoscarson wrote:

BoiseBYU wrote:

Yeah, Loyd's interview didn't really clear the air. At first, he paints it as an academic issue, but later on in the interview, it's plain it wasn't about academics, but all he does is talk in vagueries. Probably got caught donating money to the wrong side of Prop 8 in California.....at least that's my working theory right now.

No--that was the Steve Young family ;)

Ouch! Gotta give Steve credit, I don't know how long my marriage would last if my wife and I didn't see eye to eye politically. My bishop and his wife are polar opposites politically and they seem to do okay . . . maybe thats why he's the bishop.

It doesn't hurt that Steve's wife is gorgeous.

yeah, I cut my wife a little slack at times due to the gorgeous factor (my wife, not Steve's wife ;) )

snoscythe wrote:
Yeah, Loyd's interview didn't really clear the air. At first, he paints it as an academic issue, but later on in the interview, it's plain it wasn't about academics, but all he does is talk in vagueries. Probably got caught donating money to the wrong side of Prop 8 in California.....at least that's my working theory right now.

Rose isn't talking definitively either:



"When it came right down to it, we just felt that the direction that we were going as a team and as a program, and the things that we felt were really, really important. ... Mike struggled with some of those issues," Rose said. "So the best thing for us to do was kinda go in different directions. And that is kind of how it happened." http://www.sltrib.com/D=g/ci_15027285



The words "kind of" doesn't sit well with me. It should be clear to Loyd why he was dismissed, and I hope it is. I hope he knows and is just not being forthcoming with it. I can certainly understand why he may not want to, but it's a clear reason that he understands and doesn't want to discuss it publicly than why wouldn't he just say, "It wasn't for X reason, but I don't want to discuss the details." Anyways, I just hope he knows why so he doesn't leave looking back wondering what he could have done differently. Does a man no good if doesn't know why.



Rose needs to be careful. Without clear cause - especially when his player is saying he doesn't know why he was dismissed and still wants to play - this could blow up in his face.

I'm Rose knows why he dismissed/parted ways with Loyd. And I'm sure Rose would have conveyed those reasons to Loyd. This is the first player to transfer from BYU since Josh Reisman (back in Cleve's final year) - at least I can't think of anyone else leaving early off the top of my head. I don't think we're in danger of this blowing up in Rose's face and seeing mass defections from the program like we saw up north.



The only other player I can remember leaving early was Broadus - but that was more due to his DUI and other alcohol related issues.

kitic77 wrote:
I'm Rose knows why he dismissed/parted ways with Loyd. And I'm sure Rose would have conveyed those reasons to Loyd. This is the first player to transfer from BYU since Josh Reisman (back in Cleve's final year) - at least I can't think of anyone else leaving early off the top of my head. I don't think we're in danger of this blowing up in Rose's face and seeing mass defections from the program like we saw up north.



The only other player I can remember leaving early was Broadus - but that was more due to his DUI and other alcohol related issues.

What about the dude that transferred to Oklahoma St? Bobbitt or something like that.

kitic77 wrote:
I'm Rose knows why he dismissed/parted ways with Loyd. And I'm sure Rose would have conveyed those reasons to Loyd. This is the first player to transfer from BYU since Josh Reisman (back in Cleve's final year) - at least I can't think of anyone else leaving early off the top of my head. I don't think we're in danger of this blowing up in Rose's face and seeing mass defections from the program like we saw up north.



The only other player I can remember leaving early was Broadus - but that was more due to his DUI and other alcohol related issues.

While uncommon during the Rose years' it was sadly too common during the Cleveland years...



There was the ultra talented Ron Selleaze in Cleve's 1st couple seasons... who actually played for the Harlem Globetrotters for a while (he's still playing pro ball)

http://www.deltajammersplay2win.com/profile-Ron_Selleaze_G_F.html

Selleaze was better than Keena Young by a long shot...



Daniel Bobik (the no defense playing guard/forward)



David Burgess who went from prep all america to BYU benchwarmer to Gonzaga benchwarmer.



and Shawn Oponui and Jake Chrisman who didn't get a lot of pt early and transferred to BYU Hawaii to have all america seasons in the NAIA (Chrisman really should have stayed at BYU)

Short_Change wrote:

I'm Rose knows why he dismissed/parted ways with Loyd. And I'm sure Rose would have conveyed those reasons to Loyd. This is the first player to transfer from BYU since Josh Reisman (back in Cleve's final year) - at least I can't think of anyone else leaving early off the top of my head. I don't think we're in danger of this blowing up in Rose's face and seeing mass defections from the program like we saw up north.



The only other player I can remember leaving early was Broadus - but that was more due to his DUI and other alcohol related issues.

What about the dude that transferred to Oklahoma St? Bobbitt or something like that.

Daniel Bobik transferred under Cleveland.

Didn't Selleaze leave due to the Honor Code. I thought he and a buddy were dismissed for smoking pot. I was on mission when it happened so I don't really remember.

I am sure Loyd Jr. knows why he was booted from the team. It sounds to me like it was fundamentally due to a - Bad Attitude and Lack of Respect. Coach Rose probably did the right thing. I still suggest Loyd Jr. consider getting his Bad Attitude quickly fixed and show up respectfully asking permission to walk on the team in the Fall and that he stay at BYU to graduate no matter what answer he gets.



Note that I not only have taken the extra L out of Loyd but added a capital J in Jr. just in case Mars starts runnin spell check on me. I apologize to Loyd and JJ for recent mispellings of their names. But Mars headline recently posted with Emminent in place of Imminent tops those gaffes. As I did previously to appease the spellchecking Mars - I will once again acknowledge - I am old, I have bad eyes, and I only memorize the correct spelling of a players name after they have started for a season or so. Even then - I may screw up 50% of the time. ANd I realize a tongue lashing from Mars is Imminent. Or is that Emminent? O yeah - tongue lashing from the Emminent Mars is Imminent!



None of it matters much - but hey - it is the off-season.

Lawboy wrote:
I do not disagree. But I do wonder exactly what the kid did that was so wrong that went against what BYU believes in. His haircut? A tongue ring? If so, then it was an HC issue, in spite of what is being reported and talked about by all parties. Future academics? They are deciding he will already fail at BYU now? Not sure I like that precedent, if it is the case, especially seeing how Bronco and staff bent over backwards to help Manase Tonga. The what? I think the real story is not being told, and if it is, it is silliness.

Any questions now?

craigoscarson wrote:

I'm Rose knows why he dismissed/parted ways with Loyd. And I'm sure Rose would have conveyed those reasons to Loyd. This is the first player to transfer from BYU since Josh Reisman (back in Cleve's final year) - at least I can't think of anyone else leaving early off the top of my head. I don't think we're in danger of this blowing up in Rose's face and seeing mass defections from the program like we saw up north.



The only other player I can remember leaving early was Broadus - but that was more due to his DUI and other alcohol related issues.

While uncommon during the Rose years' it was sadly too common during the Cleveland years...



There was the ultra talented Ron Selleaze in Cleve's 1st couple seasons... who actually played for the Harlem Globetrotters for a while (he's still playing pro ball)

http://www.deltajammersplay2win.com/profile-Ron_Selleaze_G_F.html

Selleaze was better than Keena Young by a long shot...



Daniel Bobik (the no defense playing guard/forward)



David Burgess who went from prep all america to BYU benchwarmer to Gonzaga benchwarmer.



and Shawn Oponui and Jake Chrisman who didn't get a lot of pt early and transferred to BYU Hawaii to have all america seasons in the NAIA (Chrisman really should have stayed at BYU)

Another to transfer under Rose (I believe) was Jordan Cameron, who is now entering his Senior year at USC at Tight End. For USC Football, he has played limited time in 11 games and doesn't have a reception. He also played briefly in 3 basketball games in 2008, but didn't score a point.

kjjson wrote:

kitic77 wrote:
I'm Rose knows why he dismissed/parted ways with Loyd. And I'm sure Rose would have conveyed those reasons to Loyd. This is the first player to transfer from BYU since Josh Reisman (back in Cleve's final year) - at least I can't think of anyone else leaving early off the top of my head. I don't think we're in danger of this blowing up in Rose's face and seeing mass defections from the program like we saw up north.



The only other player I can remember leaving early was Broadus - but that was more due to his DUI and other alcohol related issues.

While uncommon during the Rose years' it was sadly too common during the Cleveland years...



There was the ultra talented Ron Selleaze in Cleve's 1st couple seasons... who actually played for the Harlem Globetrotters for a while (he's still playing pro ball)

http://www.deltajammersplay2win.com/profile-Ron_Selleaze_G_F.html

Selleaze was better than Keena Young by a long shot...



Daniel Bobik (the no defense playing guard/forward)



David Burgess who went from prep all america to BYU benchwarmer to Gonzaga benchwarmer.



and Shawn Oponui and Jake Chrisman who didn't get a lot of pt early and transferred to BYU Hawaii to have all america seasons in the NAIA (Chrisman really should have stayed at BYU)

Another to transfer under Rose (I believe) was Jordan Cameron, who is now entering his Senior year at USC at Tight End. For USC Football, he has played limited time in 11 games and doesn't have a reception. He also played briefly in 3 basketball games in 2008, but didn't score a point.

He did us a favor by leaving; he was a tweener recruit during the time that the Cougs were struggling to recruit and make the transition through the dropoff of the last Cleveland years (though I loved the 02-04 teams)... He's another slow 3/undersized 4(Zylstra, Magnusson) that BYU has had a lot of, and when they start, we're not usually a top 25 team; though I don't mind them as bench players.



BTW - Jordan's sister Brynn was an all-american caliber college basketball player at USC, til Matt Leinart got her pregnant...



Both Jordan and Brynn were working really hard with USC hoops to try to get Kyle Collinsworth to attend there.