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FINALLY . . . It's Over!!!

by 1967cougar · 7/11/2010

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SpiffCoug
Metallicat wrote:
I have to disagree with you Kitic. I was just talking to a friend the other day about how we tried to get into but just couldn't. It's just not our thing. Sure, we turned it on for a few moments here and there, especially while the US was playing, but other than that it's just not an attention grabber.

Did you know who was playing? Did you know who any of the players were? Did you know where the teams were in the standings?



When I watch a BYU game or an RSL game, I know who each player is. I don't need the announcer to tell me who wears #60 or #37 or #2. I know who they are. What position they play. How good they are/should be. I know where BYU is in the standings and rankings. I know why the game is/isn't important. I have a reason to care if they win/lose.



Same with RSL.



I'd argue that you didn't know those things. You didn't have a reason to care. Being a fan is about caring. Too many sports fans are giving soccer a chance, without giving themselves a reason to care. If you don't know about the team, its players, its position in the standings, it's tough to care.



I think too many of them think, well I was entertained by the national team, so I'll tune into the Toronto FC vs FC Dallas game. But they don't care about either team. They don't know who any of the players are. They know who Donovan and Dempsey are but not Breck Shea, Ugo Ihemelu, Dax McCarty or Dewayne De Rosario. Then the game is 1-0 or 0-0 or only has that ONE moment I was talking about earlier. But because they haven't gotten to the point of caring for one of those teams, that moment is lost to them.



Getting into soccer can be a long process. I brought a friend of mine to an RSL game in 2006. In the middle of the 2nd half he stands up and yells "BORING" at the top of his lungs. He got lots of laughs and some jeers and sneers. But to be honest, he was right. The game did stink. He came to a few games the last few years. This past year he bought season seats and couldn't wait for the first game. He now cares if RSL wins or loses. He's into soccer, because he cares.
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Ddawg
Metallicat wrote:
I'm a soccer guy. I love the sport. I feel for those sport fans who don't get it. I think they're missing out on great competition. I think they're afraid they would come to like soccer and don't want to be perceived as a "soccer-guy" because then they'd be uncool. So they put down the sport. Call it boring. Say it will never catch on.



But I really believe they're afraid to like the sport. I think they don't want to give it a chance, because they're afraid they will come to appreciate it. I think they don't want to follow the sport and come know the teams and the players, because they're afraid they'll become fans of the sport.



But when soccer reaches that tipping point. I know it's been said for years that it's going to happen. But it really is. I think the tipping point will happen in the next 10 years. I think by the time the World Cup is done in 2022 after being held in the US, the MLS will be well followed, and will be considered an acutal "major league."



Until then, I don't care if people follow soccer. I care that I follow soccer. I think it's a great sport that many American sports' fans would love if they gave it half a chance.


I have to disagree with you Kitic. I was just talking to a friend the other day about how we tried to get into but just couldn't. It's just not our thing. Sure, we turned it on for a few moments here and there, especially while the US was playing, but other than that it's just not an attention grabber.


Soccer is like softball or bowling. They're GREAT to play! Really. But to watch on TV? Not a chance. Unless the USA is playing. I'll always support & root for the boyz from the USA!! I'm goofy like that. But - to watch Uruguay, or Ghana, or Latvia, or Uzbekistan battle it out - while being "Diva Drama Queens" for the entire 90+ minutes flopping like sardines??? I'm out!

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AmmonCougar1
Seconded!



Well stated Kitic!



Go Cougs!!!



J. Child

Ammon, ID
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wildeone
I watch bowling on tv...because I use my time wisely...
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snoscythe
LOL. So we're supposed to spend hours of our time being bored, learning the nuances of something we don't care for, in hopes that someday years down the road we will be interested. What an awesome soccer conversion study! Thank heavens your friend had nothing that actually interested him to fill his time.



Sounds like my uncle trying to sell me on chess camp.



Again, I'm not saying anyone is an idiot for liking soccer. There are differences of opinion--I'm just waiting for the soccer-snobs to make the same concession rather than continually trying to force the conversion of those who have better things to do with their time.
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Metallicat
Yes, I did actually know who was playing (the countries at least), but no, I didn't care. I only care if the US wins.



I can however, sit down and watch a rugby match with out knowing who's playing or any of the players' names. I can't even name a single famous rugby player. I just find Rugby entertaining and soccer, err, less interesting.



I wish ESPN would get amped up over the Rugby world cup rather than soccer, but that's just me.
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Ddawg
I submit a proposal!!!! Borrowed from the Pentagon.



#1 We won't ask (if you like soccer).

#2 You don't tell (if you like soccer).



Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!

:bug: :lol: :lol: :lol: :whistle: :whistle: ;)
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Ddawg
Sammich wrote:
The real reason why those of us who love American (eg. real) football won't ever be comfortable with becoming fans of soccer:

http://www.theonion.com/video/soccer-officially-announces-it-is-gay,17603/


That's SWEET!! Priceless! I laughed till my son (he plays soccer in high school) asked what I was watching. I re-played it for him. You needed to see the look on his face - he thought the "sports report" was the "real deal." He was ticked!! Ha-ha-ha!!! Very good post!!

:D :lol: :D :lol:
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Mars


There are so, so many reasons soccer is a terrible PROFESSIONAL sport...



1- Ties. Any game where hours later you can walk away without seeing anyone win or lose is just flat-out awful. Communist. Anti-American.



2- Low-scoring. 1-0 games are plentiful, and plenty boring. No boring sport will ever be widely accepted in America, or anywhere else with good taste and better options (like college football!).



3- Flopping. The antithesis of sport/competition. Disgusting. Unwatchable.



4- The Rules. The game continues on for a "mystery period" after the time runs out, but we have no idea how much time that is, and neither do the players. WTF.



5- The Refs. They can call a penalty on a team that takes away a goal, without saying who it on or what they did. WTF?
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Bluma
Mars wrote:
1- Ties. Any game where hours later you can walk away without seeing anyone win or lose is just flat-out awful. Communist. Anti-American.




Ties are good, and it means you don't have to play some totally different set of rules for overtime periods.



Some matchups are just that - a perfect match up, a draw, stalemate, etc. Overtime just gives the advantage to the team that scores first. I don't like college football OT, and really don't like sudden death in the NFL. If you play 60 and the score is tied, then maybe, just maybe, both teams are equally good. neither deserves a loss or a win.



Overtime should be for championships only.
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ByuIcoug
College Football used to have ties. Also there is flopping all over football, i.e Kruger. Refs have been horrible in this world cup I will give you that. In football if a game is 3-0 it is amazing defensive battle. A 1-0 game in soccer is about the same.
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tmoney35
Bluma wrote:
1- Ties. Any game where hours later you can walk away without seeing anyone win or lose is just flat-out awful. Communist. Anti-American.




If you play 60 and the score is tied, then maybe, just maybe, both teams are equally good. neither deserves a loss or a win.




I had never thought of it that way before, but Bluma's reply to Mars did sound very communist.

This is America for crying out loud! We're all about winners and losers.



The thing about flopping that really bothers me is how they roll around on the ground like they just got shot until they get the call and then they get up like nothing happened. I can understand the strategic importance of flopping, even though I don't like it, but why can't just falling down be enough? Why with the constant rolling around on the ground like they're dying? I can't stand that.
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Lawboy
Mars wrote:


There are so, so many reasons soccer is a terrible PROFESSIONAL sport...



1- Ties. Any game where hours later you can walk away without seeing anyone win or lose is just flat-out awful. Communist. Anti-American.



2- Low-scoring. 1-0 games are plentiful, and plenty boring. No boring sport will ever be widely accepted in America, or anywhere else with good taste and better options (like college football!).



3- Flopping. The antithesis of sport/competition. Disgusting. Unwatchable.



4- The Rules. The game continues on for a "mystery period" after the time runs out, but we have no idea how much time that is, and neither do the players. WTF.



5- The Refs. They can call a penalty on a team that takes away a goal, without saying who it on or what they did. WTF?


The NFL has ties. So the NFL must be communist and un-American. And until the late 90's CFB also had ties.



NHL games are low scoring. Since when do you need scroing to have great action. See baseball, hockey, and the NFL for details.



Flopping? See the NBA. Seriously.



There is no mystery period. At the end of each half, a game ref who has tracked the stoppages holds up a board for all to see how much "stoppage" time gets added. The on field ref is bound to follow that, by the rules of the game. No mystery.



Refs. The argument you just made applies to the NFL and NBA as well. Refs can actually influence things, and sometimes badly. Happens in sports--even with replay. Although if you want to rip soccer, rip it for not using technology to review huge plays. I can get behind that.



If you do not like it, that is fine. So what. I feel that way about baseball, and loved it as a kid and played in HS. Now it bores me. Just my opinion.
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CougarClaw
Lawboy wrote:


There are so, so many reasons soccer is a terrible PROFESSIONAL sport...



1- Ties. Any game where hours later you can walk away without seeing anyone win or lose is just flat-out awful. Communist. Anti-American.



2- Low-scoring. 1-0 games are plentiful, and plenty boring. No boring sport will ever be widely accepted in America, or anywhere else with good taste and better options (like college football!).



3- Flopping. The antithesis of sport/competition. Disgusting. Unwatchable.



4- The Rules. The game continues on for a "mystery period" after the time runs out, but we have no idea how much time that is, and neither do the players. WTF.



5- The Refs. They can call a penalty on a team that takes away a goal, without saying who it on or what they did. WTF?


The NFL has ties. So the NFL must be communist and un-American. And until the late 90's CFB also had ties.



NHL games are low scoring. Since when do you need scroing to have great action. See baseball, hockey, and the NFL for details.



Flopping? See the NBA. Seriously.



There is no mystery period. At the end of each half, a game ref who has tracked the stoppages holds up a board for all to see how much "stoppage" time gets added. The on field ref is bound to follow that, by the rules of the game. No mystery.



Refs. The argument you just made applies to the NFL and NBA as well. Refs can actually influence things, and sometimes badly. Happens in sports--even with replay. Although if you want to rip soccer, rip it for not using technology to review huge plays. I can get behind that.



If you do not like it, that is fine. So what. I feel that way about baseball, and loved it as a kid and played in HS. Now it bores me. Just my opinion.


completely agree. One additional note is that we talk about the high-scoring nature of football. Well EACH SCORE IS WORTH 6 or 7 POINTS!.



Take away the multiplier and all of the sudden scores aren't that dissimilar. What was the final world Cup score? 3-2. Just for fun, let's multiply that by 7. 21-14. Woah! Decent scoring game!



and...given that this thread is moving to 6 and 7 pages. Anyone else think the title is somewhat funny?
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SpiffCoug
I think a lot of flopping in soccer could be remedied by an extra official on the field. It's tough for one guy to watch everything. Players flop and embellish and sell calls, because they have to draw the refs attention who is at times horribly positioned because he's not faster than the players or the ball.
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scott715
Give flops yellow cards and use instant replay. Flops ruin the game. What happened to tough guys?



By the way is this thread finally over?
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Ddawg
Lawboy wrote:



Since when do you need scroing to have great action.


Personally - I've always enjoyed great action while "scroing!!"

:D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :whistle: :whistle: ;)
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Schmoe
scott715 wrote:
What happened to tough guys?




They decided to play other sports...
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CougarPeasant
I enjoyed the world cup. There is an elegance to soccer that is missing in football. Yet, I feel the same about soccer that most others do on this board. Too much faking, too poorly officating, and too slow at times for my tastes. Seriously, they have 3 refs on the field, why can't the side judges call fouls besides just waving their flags when the ball goes OB? Why isn't there a replay ref for missed calls like when the ball actuallyh goes in the goal but is missed by the field judge? Or when a Netherlands player deliberately spikes a Spaniards chest during play and only gets a yellow card and is not tossed from the game and all future tournaments??? The worst thing international players brought to the NBA is FLOPPING!!!! I can barely stand the NBA now because of soccer's influence on it.
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