Udub @ BYU: Each Fanbase Expects Easy Win

I think it is silly to get into cock fight over football histories. Both schools have great tradition, both schools have had some great talent at QB. And come September 4, none of that will mater one bit. The best team on the field that day wins. I still think BYU wins, because I think UW is still in rebuild mode from the last time they had a solid program going, which goes back to Neuheisel in 2002, and because PAC-10 schools come to Provo arrogant and should not. Conference affilaition or not, BYU is the equal of most PAC schools and superior to many. Only USC really dominates us, but that can be said of the other 9 PAC schools as well. Last year was a nice leap for UW, but they are still not there yet. Like I said, in 2 more years, I think they are back on top of the PAC-1x. But come September 4, BYU wins, unless our QB play is still an issue after that game.

Bottom line is that we don't even know who BYU is going to be this year. For all we know Riley Nelson could end up with 100+ yards rushing in this one and completly over shadow Locker and his hype. On the other hand, BYU could have some opening game stumbles. I will tell you this though, UW is lucky to get BYU in game 1 of the season. If we were talking about game 2, I would think BYU is a heavy favorite at Lavell Edwards Stadium.

To repeat: here's the scorecard on the BYU vs UW quarterback question



Davey Obrien BYU 4 UW 0

Sammy Baugh BYU 7 UW 0

Heisman BYU 1 UW 0

Super Bowl 2 UW 0

Chris Chandler took the Falcons to the Superbowl in 1998 :crazy:

PurpleReign wrote:
Chris Chandler took the Falcons to the Superbowl in 1998 :crazy:

I may be wrong, but I think he's refering to super bowl wins.

PurpleReign wrote:

And you think your schedule has nothing to do with that? We would have won four or five games in 2008 if we played your schedule as the bottom half of the MWC is a far cry from even the worst PAC10 teams.

And yet the worst teams in our conference (UNLV and UNM) have beat ASU and UofA (twice) in recent years... :whistle: ...two those wins were in AZ btw ;)

yes, UW has a good tradition if you dig back deep enough (waaaay back...), but to say that Washington is a more prestigious football school than BYU is pretentious at best. And to be honest, I only see things getting worse for Washington over time. They may have some good years with Sark, but I just don't see them gaining the edge over 75% of the other teams currently in their conference...



EDIT - I do like the Huskies, and usually pull for them in their conference games..

craigoscarson wrote:
To repeat: here's the scorecard on the BYU vs UW quarterback question



Davey Obrien BYU 4 UW 0

Sammy Baugh BYU 7 UW 0

Heisman BYU 1 UW 0

Super Bowl 2 UW 0

And that, folks, was the KO.

Gotta love UW logic.

PurpleReign wrote wrote:

And you think your schedule has nothing to do with that? We would have won four or five games in 2008 if we played your schedule as the bottom half of the MWC is a far cry from even the worst PAC10 teams.

So a UW team that lost EVERY game it played in 2008, including five games by five or more touchdowns, would have won four or five games with BYU's schedule? A team that lost half it's games to teams with losing PAC-10 records would have had a winning record in 2008 with BYU's schedule.



Here was BYU's 2008 record. Please find me four or five wins.



Northern Iowa: They finished 11-2. Granted they're a D-1AA team, but I'm not ready to chalk this up as a win. But we'll give the Huskies the benefit of the doubt. 1-0.

@ Washington: Obviously they can't play themselves, but since they lost to BYU, they lose here too, and if it was a road game like it was for BYU, I don't think it's even close. 1-1.

UCLA: UCLA beat UW by 20 in 2008, which is acutally 39 points closer than UCLA was to BYU. 1-2.

Wyoming: The Pokes were 4-8 and lost by 44 to BYU. They also beat an SEC team on the road, something I don't see UW doing that year. 1-3.

@ Utah State: The Aggies were 3-9 so maybe the Huskies can sneak up on them. But then again, maybe not. This is a road game, something the Huskies haven't won in a few years. Tough call. 2-3.

New Mexico: Loss. I'll take Rocky Long and the 3-3-5 against an inaccurate thrower in Locker. 2-4.

@ TCU: If UW fans thought OU played defense... 2-5.

@ UNLV: The Rebels beat a PAC-10 team in 2008, something UW couldn't. 2-6.

Colorado St: The Rams won a bowl game and had a winning record. Average UW score against teams with a winning record in 2008: 45-12. 2-7.

San Diego St: Aztecs were 2-10. They'd be on the road. I'll give the Huskies this one: 3-7.

@ Air Force: Hmmm... another bowl winning team with a winning record...3-8.

@ Utah: Maybe the Huskies would have been as motivated as the Crimson Tide. 3-9.

Arizona: Of course this was a bowl game for BYU, which UW wouldn't have even sniffed, and I'm not sure the Huskies would want a second 34-point beating from the Wildcats. 3-10.



So Washington MAY have had three wins with BYU's schedule in 2008. Of course, I'm not sure we can tab that D-1AA game up as a win or the road trip to the Aggies. Bottom line: the 2008 Huskies were awful, bad and pathetic. They were not a good team in any way shape or form.

Is 4 or 5 wins in any conference any good? Why are we even debating that. Just debating that suggests any teams sucks extremely bad.

I too believe BYU can win. However the Oklahoma game in a hostile environment compared to FSU at home concerns me. I believe this being each team's first game favors the Y.



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dsmith1212 wrote:
I too believe BYU can win. However the Oklahoma game in a hostile environment compared to FSU at home concerns me. I believe this being each team's first game favors the Y.



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Agreed. As I stated elsewhere, BYU is facing four highly mobile QBs in their first four games. BYU spent all last season prepping for the Oklahoma game. When kickoff came around, BYU had a gameplan that led them to victory. They implemented one that OU, their OL in particular, were simply not prepared for.



Bronco and staff have nothing better to do than come up with a gameplan to stop four running QBs. UW won't have the benefit that Kapernick and Ponder will. There will be no tape to see how BYU plans on defending a mobile QB in 2010.



I fully expect BYU to throw wrinkles at Locker that he hasn't seen on film from BYU.

what if we go 3-3-5, but do it right this time? That would be awesome to be able to throw that in there, and play two defensive coverages.

Did anyone see the 4 qbs from the Pac-10 on ESPN today?



And did anyone notice that Locker couldn't hit the side of a barn when they did the helmet thing? He's always had accuracy problems and I expect that to continue. A month of fall camp is not going to cure that.



Is Locker going to be the next Brian Brohm? A guy that fizzles out the season that he was supposedly the #1 draft pick?

Locker has NFL size, Brohm didn't.

FWIW, Locker barely missed the helmet, it hit the lip of the stool right in front of the helmet. WR's have arms, with hands on the end of them, so really that was an accurate throw from 25 yards out.



Some of you may have took my post about the schedule the wrong way, I was not in any way saying a handful of wins is good, it's not, at all. I was merely saying BYU does not play the toughest schedule, and our dawgs would have performed better with your 2008 schedule, or any BYU year for that matter. There really is a difference from top to bottom when it comes to a BCS conference and Mid Major conference.



As for QB U, I will admit BYU has had a lot of success with college awards, but that is because it is a system offense. I think UW takes the #1 spot because it produces NFL quarterbacks, many of which did have a lot of success at the college level, just didn't put up the gaudy numbers of a system offense (same reason Hawaii QB's broke all those records but were not high priorities from NFL teams).





Anyways, as far as the game goes I think it will be tough, but I have a feeling our offense is going to put up big numbers this year. As long as our defense doesn't regress, we should win enough games to go bowling.

Mars wrote:

There really is a difference from top to bottom when it comes to a BCS conference and Mid Major conference.

Sure there is. And there really is a difference between a very good BCS-level team like BYU and a low-level BCS team like Washington.

Ahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! (awesome...)

PurpleReign wrote:
As for QB U, I will admit BYU has had a lot of success with college awards, but that is because it is a system offense. I think UW takes the #1 spot because it produces NFL quarterbacks, many of which did have a lot of success at the college level, just didn't put up the gaudy numbers of a system offense (same reason Hawaii QB's broke all those records but were not high priorities from NFL teams).

So your argument is that your qb's are not as good at the college level - and mediocre in the NFL too - but there are more mediocre players out there than BYU's. Did I get that right, or did you want to run that by me again? "At least we get our qb's into the NFL, where the never see the light of iday from the end of the bench." I mean, your claim to fame is Warren Moon. Right? Let me repeat that, Warren Moon. The journeyman much ado about nothing qb. Hell, he plays for the PROS now against 16 year old kids. Do I have that right? Warren Moon!?!? Is your pitch to future QB prospects "Hey, Warren Moon came out of Udub." Then you grab the recruit to be by the shoulders, and shake him yelling, "Warren Moon, son! Warren Moon!"