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by BYULV · 8/7/2010

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MTM
kitic77 wrote:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/specials/fansurvey/2009/mwest.html

Wow, the other eight MWC schools don't like BYU? Huh, who'd a thunk it?!



This poll proves nothing other than the rest of the conference doesn't like BYU.


I didn't say it "proves" anything. But it supports what I said before. Sweeping generalizations are for small minded people (did I just make one? :lol: ).



Most groups are going to have good and bad factions among them and to label the whole group based on the actions of a small number is wrong. Like it or not we're all pretty much the same.
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BYULV
MTM wrote:
MTM wrote:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/specials/fansurvey/2009/mwest.html

Wow, the other eight MWC schools don't like BYU? Huh, who'd a thunk it?!



This poll proves nothing other than the rest of the conference doesn't like BYU.


I didn't say it "proves" anything. But it supports what I said before. Sweeping generalizations are for small minded people (did I just make one? :lol: ).



Most groups are going to have good and bad factions among them and to label the whole group based on the actions of a small number is wrong. Like it or not we're all pretty much the same.




There is NO way "We're all pretty much the same." I agree there are a small number of bad BYU fans out there that are an embarrassment to all, but there are far more horrible Utah and UNLV fans - it doesn't even come close.
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SpiffCoug
MTM wrote:
MTM wrote:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/specials/fansurvey/2009/mwest.html

Wow, the other eight MWC schools don't like BYU? Huh, who'd a thunk it?!



This poll proves nothing other than the rest of the conference doesn't like BYU.


I didn't say it "proves" anything. But it supports what I said before. Sweeping generalizations are for small minded people (did I just make one? :lol: ).



Most groups are going to have good and bad factions among them and to label the whole group based on the actions of a small number is wrong. Like it or not we're all pretty much the same.

BYULV wrote:
There is NO way "We're all pretty much the same." I agree there are a small number of bad BYU fans out there that are an embarrassment to all, but there are far more horrible Utah and UNLV fans - it doesn't even come close.


Well said BYULV. That is my point. We are NOT "all pretty much the same." The percentage of BYU fans that are "bad fans" who are rude to opposing fans, who get into fights with opposing fans, who look to antagonize opposing fans is so much smaller than anywhere else. The ration of good to bad factions among the BYU fan base is significantly smaller than any other fan base. Fans of other teams who are looking for trouble have to look longer and harder when attending a BYU game to find these "bad factions."



I get that you're not a BYU fan, MTM, but to suggest that the BYU fan base is just like every other fan base is just plain wrong.
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MTM
BYULV wrote:
kitic77 wrote:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/specials/fansurvey/2009/mwest.html

Wow, the other eight MWC schools don't like BYU? Huh, who'd a thunk it?!



This poll proves nothing other than the rest of the conference doesn't like BYU.


I didn't say it "proves" anything. But it supports what I said before. Sweeping generalizations are for small minded people (did I just make one? :lol: ).



Most groups are going to have good and bad factions among them and to label the whole group based on the actions of a small number is wrong. Like it or not we're all pretty much the same.




There is NO way "We're all pretty much the same." I agree there are a small number of bad BYU fans out there that are an embarrassment to all, but there are far more horrible Utah and UNLV fans - it doesn't even come close.


That's your opinion and that is valid.



The fan poll doesn't suggest that, however.
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MTM
kitic77 wrote:
kitic77 wrote:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/specials/fansurvey/2009/mwest.html

Wow, the other eight MWC schools don't like BYU? Huh, who'd a thunk it?!



This poll proves nothing other than the rest of the conference doesn't like BYU.


I didn't say it "proves" anything. But it supports what I said before. Sweeping generalizations are for small minded people (did I just make one? :lol: ).



Most groups are going to have good and bad factions among them and to label the whole group based on the actions of a small number is wrong. Like it or not we're all pretty much the same.

BYULV wrote:
There is NO way "We're all pretty much the same." I agree there are a small number of bad BYU fans out there that are an embarrassment to all, but there are far more horrible Utah and UNLV fans - it doesn't even come close.


Well said BYULV. That is my point. We are NOT "all pretty much the same." The percentage of BYU fans that are "bad fans" who are rude to opposing fans, who get into fights with opposing fans, who look to antagonize opposing fans is so much smaller than anywhere else. The ration of good to bad factions among the BYU fan base is significantly smaller than any other fan base. Fans of other teams who are looking for trouble have to look longer and harder when attending a BYU game to find these "bad factions."



I get that you're not a BYU fan, MTM, but to suggest that the BYU fan base is just like every other fan base is just plain wrong.


I understand and this not a winnable argument especially on a BYU fan site so I won't try. It's another one of those arguments where I will respectfully disagree.
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SpiffCoug
MTM wrote:
I understand and this not a winnable argument especially on a BYU fan site so I won't try. It's another one of those arguments where I will respectfully disagree.

So basically what you're saying is that the number of bad fans who are rude and disrespectful towards opposing fans is no different at a BYU game than a Wyoming or UNLV or Utah or Washington game?
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MTM
kitic77 wrote:
I understand and this not a winnable argument especially on a BYU fan site so I won't try. It's another one of those arguments where I will respectfully disagree.

So basically what you're saying is that the number of bad fans who are rude and disrespectful towards opposing fans is no different at a BYU game than a Wyoming or UNLV or Utah or Washington game?


How do you objectively measure that?
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SpiffCoug
MTM wrote:
MTM wrote:
I understand and this not a winnable argument especially on a BYU fan site so I won't try. It's another one of those arguments where I will respectfully disagree.

So basically what you're saying is that the number of bad fans who are rude and disrespectful towards opposing fans is no different at a BYU game than a Wyoming or UNLV or Utah or Washington game?


How do you objectively measure that?

I guess you technically can't count it. But simply can't see how we have as many "bad fans" as other schools. I've never, not once verbally assaulted opposing fans at any BYU home game. Nor do I remember any more than a few handful of instances of that happening in the 15 years I've been attending games since I moved to Utah in 1995.



But simply walking across the parking lot at road games at Wyoming, UNLV, and Utah I've been verbally abused and in one instance accosted. I didn't seek out these encounters. I was simply walking to my paid for seat in another stadium. Those fans actively sought out a BYU fan to tell me and my fanhood off.



This does not happen at BYU.
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MTM
kitic77 wrote:
kitic77 wrote:
I understand and this not a winnable argument especially on a BYU fan site so I won't try. It's another one of those arguments where I will respectfully disagree.

So basically what you're saying is that the number of bad fans who are rude and disrespectful towards opposing fans is no different at a BYU game than a Wyoming or UNLV or Utah or Washington game?


How do you objectively measure that?

I guess you technically can't count it. But simply can't see how we have as many "bad fans" as other schools. I've never, not once verbally assaulted opposing fans at any BYU home game. Nor do I remember any more than a few handful of instances of that happening in the 15 years I've been attending games since I moved to Utah in 1995.



But simply walking across the parking lot at road games at Wyoming, UNLV, and Utah I've been verbally abused and in one instance accosted. I didn't seek out these encounters. I was simply walking to my paid for seat in another stadium. Those fans actively sought out a BYU fan to tell me and my fanhood off.



This does not happen at BYU.


Well I'll say the same thing I said to BYULV-that is your experience and your opinion so that in itself makes it valid.



I have never personally experienced anything negative at LES but I've heard what I believe to be credible accounts of being on the receiving end of really nasty stuff there. It is unrealistic of you believe that "this does not happen at BYU".
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SpiffCoug
MTM wrote:
Well I'll say the same thing I said to BYULV-that is your experience and your opinion so that in itself makes it valid.



I have never personally experienced anything negative at LES but I've heard what I believe to be credible accounts of being on the receiving end of really nasty stuff there. It is unrealistic of you believe that "this does not happen at BYU".

Correct, while it is unrealistic - I'll grant you that - "that this does not happen at BYU," I find it fully realistic that it happens FAR, FAR less than at any other place.



You seem to be implying that the rate of incidence here at BYU is no different than elsewhere and I utterly reject that notion.
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MTM
kitic77 wrote:

You seem to be implying that the rate of incidence here at BYU is no different than elsewhere and I utterly reject that notion.


I don't know if it is or isn't, and I don't know how to prove or disprove that, nor do I feel the need to.
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SpiffCoug
MTM wrote:

You seem to be implying that the rate of incidence here at BYU is no different than elsewhere and I utterly reject that notion.


I don't know if it is or isn't, and I don't know how to prove or disprove that, nor do I feel the need to.

There probably isn't any way to prove it one way or the other except through personal experience. If you're willing to believe that BYU fans are as bad as other fans, then you clearly haven't been to Lavell Edwards Stadium or the Marriott Center much and haven't traveled to opposing venues to experience those atmospheres much either.



You are arguing against an experience of which you have apparently have no first hand knowledge.
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Schmoe
What constitutes a bad fan? I once made another BYU fan cry at a game because she asked us to "tone it down."
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MTM
kitic, that's my whole point. The entire argument is subjective. There is no way to measure it.



So in the absence of an agreeable way to settle it everyone can just believe what they want.



I think no less of anyone who believes differently than I do.
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CougarClaw
At RES, I for one can't help myself. I just get so mad.



All I see is red.
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Mars
kitic77 wrote:
You seem to be implying that the rate of incidence here at BYU is no different than elsewhere and I utterly reject that notion.

Common sense would agree with kitic, but common sense isn't common either.
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BYULV
MTM wrote:
MTM wrote:
MTM wrote:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/specials/fansurvey/2009/mwest.html

Wow, the other eight MWC schools don't like BYU? Huh, who'd a thunk it?!



This poll proves nothing other than the rest of the conference doesn't like BYU.


I didn't say it "proves" anything. But it supports what I said before. Sweeping generalizations are for small minded people (did I just make one? :lol: ).



Most groups are going to have good and bad factions among them and to label the whole group based on the actions of a small number is wrong. Like it or not we're all pretty much the same.




There is NO way "We're all pretty much the same." I agree there are a small number of bad BYU fans out there that are an embarrassment to all, but there are far more horrible Utah and UNLV fans - it doesn't even come close.


That's your opinion and that is valid.



The fan poll doesn't suggest that, however.


Actually, the fan poll does suggest we are different than the rest of the MWC:



It may have us as one of the rudest, however, in light of all the questions it is likely not rudeness of fans that is being measure so much as envy or jealousy. BYU is listed as the #1 rival overall in the MWC. Only CSU and Wyo list each other as main rivals and every other team lists us as their main rival and it's not even close. How many teams feel their rival's fanbase is not rude. BYU on the otherhand nearly exclusively lists :utard: as their sole rival and therefore does not have any rival bias except toward :utard: .



Favorite stadium to visit = BYU.



Most polite? BYU is always top #1 or #2 (except as rated by the :utard: - and who cares what they think).



The only way this poll means anything when the most polite fans and the rudest fans come from the same school is that those "Rival" fans doing the rating must be projecting something other than fan rudeness into the results. I still think BYU is substantially different than the rest of the MWC (although I was pleasantly treated at TCU and haven't been to all venues.)



P.S. Couple of years ago I went to the UNLV thumping of :utard: down here in LV - seeing those to fanbases go at each other was hysterical. They'd yell back and forth for 10-15 mins then someone would start pushing and a fight would break out. Security calms things down, kicks a few people out and then it all starts over again. I can't repeat here most of what was being said in their arguments.
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Guest
I will, and have, taken my wife to games at many different stadiums, however, I will never take her to Laramie or RES, the abuse I've seen there is far and above what is reasonably acceptable.
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fifthqb
My brother came with me to the BYU-Utah game last year at Lavell Edwards stadium. He graduated from Utah and is a major fan of the University, but really just wanted to see good football. He took his beatings from the crowd. I also remember going to a game at RES when I was younger. I watched a cougar fan come up behind a Utah fan that was being rather obnoxious (not obscene) and deck him in the back of the head, and punched him while he was down. My sister also played in the Utah band and was shocked at the things that were yelled/thrown at her as they were lining up to play at halftime in LES. While I am a BYU fan myself, and currently attending the school, I have a hard time setting BYU fans on a much higher plane then most.
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BYULV
fifthqb wrote:
My brother came with me to the BYU-Utah game last year at Lavell Edwards stadium. He graduated from Utah and is a major fan of the University, but really just wanted to see good football. He took his beatings from the crowd. I also remember going to a game at RES when I was younger. I watched a cougar fan come up behind a Utah fan that was being rather obnoxious (not obscene) and deck him in the back of the head, and punched him while he was down. My sister also played in the Utah band and was shocked at the things that were yelled/thrown at her as they were lining up to play at halftime in LES. While I am a BYU fan myself, and currently attending the school, I have a hard time setting BYU fans on a much higher plane then most.




did he literally take a beating or was he verbally harrassed? Giving the oponent a hard time is one thing, getting into physical scuffles, being vulgar or engaging in personal attacks I think cross the line.
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