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QB Battle Day 5

by SpiffCoug · 8/12/2010

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QuarterbackU
All you guys do is argue about Heaps' and Nelson's packages. Heaps has a different looking package, Nelson did a good job with his package, etc... silly.
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QuarterbackU
Seriously though, it is such a reach by all of us and the media to declare who is the winner in any of this. The quarterback position is alot like basketball in that it takes some time and some consecutive snaps to get yourself comfortable. After each had 6-7 passes you cannot claim anyone won. They both had 2 completions for crying out loud. This is why the QB competition is not a good idea in my opinion after the first week or week and a half of fall camp. Whoever it is going to be needs to start getting the majority of the reps or maybe Bronco needs to change the format and let Nelson have day 6 to himself and Heaps day 7 and so on so we can get that good sample size and see more about how each QB really handles a set of drives. What we are getting now just doesn't seem effective to me.
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CougarPeasant
QuarterbackU wrote:
All you guys do is argue about Heaps' and Nelson's packages. Heaps has a different looking package, Nelson did a good job with his package, etc... silly.


I am very PRO Prop 8. I could care less about either of their packages. :sick:
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SpiffCoug
QuarterbackU wrote:
Seriously though, it is such a reach by all of us and the media to declare who is the winner in any of this. The quarterback position is alot like basketball in that it takes some time and some consecutive snaps to get yourself comfortable. After each had 6-7 passes you cannot claim anyone won. They both had 2 completions for crying out loud. This is why the QB competition is not a good idea in my opinion after the first week or week and a half of fall camp. Whoever it is going to be needs to start getting the majority of the reps or maybe Bronco needs to change the format and let Nelson have day 6 to himself and Heaps day 7 and so on so we can get that good sample size and see more about how each QB really handles a set of drives. What we are getting now just doesn't seem effective to me.

Unfortunately for us fans, we don't get to see all of practice. We only get stats of the 11v11 drills. We don't get reports on how they were doing during position training, the skelly drills, the timing/route drills. Basically everything the coaches see.
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SpiffCoug
One interesting note. I went back and looked at spring ball. Riley had fewer than half the pass attempts than Jake in the spring (105 Jake, 51 Riley). Through five days, he only has 10 fewer attempts (51 Jake, 41 Riley). Are the coaches asking him to throw more so the evaluation between the two players is more apples to apples?
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bball
My head came up earlier this week when Doman was talking about Nelson's throwing, that he has a low release, that he has got to get it up, that they've demanded he work on a higher release. This is a big red flag to me. I think the coaches all know Heaps is the passer, period, that Nelson has issues. But wisely, they are not willing to annoint Heaps as the starter. First, they want to make very sure that Heaps can put together the whole package as a QB, and Second, that Nelson takes himself out of the number one spot revealing an unacceptable throwing motion, interceptions or balls batted down.



Heaps is going to be the QB, whether he starts against UW is irrelevant, he's going to play, and within three or four games Heaps is going to be the starter.



I've also noticed that the coaches are giving Lark more reps. I think they recognize Lark as a very talented QB, that if Heaps falters (or is injured), they may very well turn to Lark rather than Nelson. Nelson can get the job done, but I think the handwriting is on the wall, Heaps is going to be the QB this year, not next year, but this year. And Nelson just may find himself as the #3 guy by year's end.
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Brayden Green
so you are thinking the scenario just like last year, he'd be the #3 guy? Hmmm, I wonder. No Gaskins to give him the backup job this year, though. ;)
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Ddawg
CougarPeasant wrote:
All you guys do is argue about Heaps' and Nelson's packages. Heaps has a different looking package, Nelson did a good job with his package, etc... silly.


I am very PRO Prop 8. I could care less about either of their packages. :sick:




Whaaaaaaaa??????

:bug: :bug: ;)
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Mars
kitic77 wrote:
I went back and looked at spring ball. Riley had fewer than half the pass attempts than Jake in the spring (105 Jake, 51 Riley). Through five days, he only has 10 fewer attempts (51 Jake, 41 Riley). Are the coaches asking him to throw more so the evaluation between the two players is more apples to apples?

I think it's because as spring camp went on, they started more and more drives 80 yards away from the endzone, and Heaps got more first downs thus more plays, passes, yards, and touchdowns. This may be the case again as Fall camp develops.
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blue42
redneckjedi wrote:
Or maybe the receivers just aren't used to catching passes from a receiver with a real arm? He's just throwing too hard and too accurately for the balls to be caught! ;)


Is Chambers now part of the QB battle? ;)
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blue42
kitic77 wrote:
Did anyone hear Jay Drew's interview on 1280? If not, it's a good listen.



In that I really think the coaches want to red-shirt Jake. I think they really want to work with him for a year and a half (since he was here in the spring) without the pressure of winning now. I think they're looking for reasons to go with Nelson. If I can project my opinion onto the coaching staff, I think they think Jake Heaps in 2010-2013 could be even better in 2011-2014 if they can red-shirt him.



I think they know Jake is the better QB, but that he may not give any more chance to win games than what they can win with Riley. So they want to be patient and let him develop. The problem is that Riley isn't play well enough to do that and Jake is playing too well to do it either.


I did hear some of it and the thing that stuck out to me was Heaps was the better passer and Nelson the better runner, which I think all of us here believe. What I also heard was the differnt style of plays that were run for both QB's. According to Drew, more passing plays were put in for Heaps and more running plays were put in for Nelson. That shows me the coaches can and will tweak the offense depending on who the QB is.



I was also surprised to hear him say he thinks Bronco is giving Nelson a lot better chance of becoming the started than most people are, granted when most people are giving Nelson 0% chance of starting it isn't hard giving him a better chance. ;) Again this isn't anything Bronco said, it is just an impression Drew has gotten from Bronco.



So the two things I took from what I heard, 1- The play book would be diferent depending on who was the QB, and 2- Bronco still thinks the QB situation isn't as set in stone as everyone thinks.
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redneckjedi
blue42 wrote:
Or maybe the receivers just aren't used to catching passes from a receiver with a real arm? He's just throwing too hard and too accurately for the balls to be caught! ;)


Is Chambers now part of the QB battle? ;)


Yes. Yes he is. ;)







Also, Jake Heaps can throw a ball so hard it will orbit the earth, and then catch it himself. ;)



Jake Heaps doesn't have to throw the football. The football goes where he wants it out of sheer terror.



Jake Heaps is so accurate he can drill Kyle Whittingham right in the soul, unaided by a microscope.



Jake Heaps' arm was also recruited by NASA as a new launch vehicle to propel astronauts to the international space station.



Jake Heaps reads a defense so well, he even can tell you what the defensive coordinator's childhood was like.



Jake Heaps can "literally" throw Tommy Grady 100 yards.



The offensive line does not protect Jake Heaps from the defense. The offensive line protects the defense from Jake Heaps.



Jake Heaps once tried to throw a pass away, to see what it felt like. And that's why the Sphinx doesn't have a nose.



The only known object to ever exceed the speed of light was a football thrown by Jake Heaps.
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blue42
redneckjedi wrote:
redneckjedi wrote:
Or maybe the receivers just aren't used to catching passes from a receiver with a real arm? He's just throwing too hard and too accurately for the balls to be caught! ;)


Is Chambers now part of the QB battle? ;)


Yes. Yes he is. ;)







Also, Jake Heaps can throw a ball so hard it will orbit the earth, and then catch it himself. ;)



Jake Heaps doesn't have to throw the football. The football goes where he wants it out of sheer terror.



Jake Heaps is so accurate he can drill Kyle Whittingham right in the soul, unaided by a microscope.



Jake Heaps' arm was also recruited by NASA as a new launch vehicle to propel astronauts to the international space station.



Jake Heaps reads a defense so well, he even can tell you what the defensive coordinator's childhood was like.



Jake Heaps can "literally" throw Tommy Grady 100 yards.



The offensive line does not protect Jake Heaps from the defense. The offensive line protects the defense from Jake Heaps.



Jake Heaps once tried to throw a pass away, to see what it felt like. And that's why the Sphinx doesn't have a nose.



The only known object to ever exceed the speed of light was a football thrown by Jake Heaps.


LOL +1 Nice mixture of KWhit and Chuck Norris humor!
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vancouvercougar
redneckjedi wrote:
redneckjedi wrote:



Jake Heaps is so accurate he can drill Kyle Whittingham right in the soul, unaided by a microscope.


Whit has a soul?
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redneckjedi
vancouvercougar wrote:
blue42 wrote:



Jake Heaps is so accurate he can drill Kyle Whittingham right in the soul, unaided by a microscope.


Whit has a soul?


Yeah. Microscopic. And he's sold it multiple times, most recently to Larry Scott...
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