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QB Battle Day 7

by SpiffCoug · 8/14/2010

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Cougarbib
I think Bronco will get it figured out. I think it is more complicated than most of you seem to think it is. Since a couple of you didn't notice that I said TIC in my previous post - let me be clear that I am not one of the ones that thinks Heaps is definitely the starter and that Bronco should therfore announce it right now. I think that it is still getting sorted out. At this point, I cannot see Munns in the mix for the UW game, or anytime soon after that. He may eventually get in the mix but is behind everyone else. Lark may still be a factor - although it is a long-shot. I do think they will all have goten a fair shake by the time it all sorts out.



Keep in mind, Munns was out taking care of academics part of Fall camp after missing Spring Camp. That is why Munns' fair shake will look like he got "short changed". He was not ready to truly compete for Sept 4. But he may be a great one before it is all over.



Lark has shown spurts that seem quite promising. I would like to see him run against the 1s, if Bronco feels that is what helps him make this decision. But Bronco only has so many reps to give with and against the ones.



Nelson is exciting. Clearly he does not have the arm and throw that Heaps has, and probably not what Lark or Munns has. The question is whether he has enough arm to get the job done - cuz his legs have the potential to drive other teams nuts like several mobile QBs will do to us this year. I think he deserves respect. A lot of people scoffed at the idea of Steve Young playing QB. Brandon Doman had to hear that he wasn't good enough until he proved that he actually was good enough. I distinctly remember the majority of posters at CB whining that Beck didn't deserve the light of day - too small, etc. People were calling for Max Hall to be benched in his senior year for heaven's sakes. So just give Nelson some respect. He either will or will not be good enough when the dust settles. He definitley seems like a team player and one that will accept whatever role the coaches give him. I know that noone wants to hear it, but an O/L starter very recently projected in a private conversation that Nelson would start the UW game. It was not becasue that O/L felt he had a stronger arm. The comment was about leadership and grit. Heaps and some of the other hot shot new guys have not won people over with their work ethic or lack thereof. But that coment is a week and several practices old now. Maybe we would get a different projection now. Things can change quickly in weither direction. Bronco has mentioned needing to see more reps to decide. On some of those 3 and outs that everyone keeps talking about for Nelson - did u notice that someone called a running play on 3rd down on at least one of them that didn't quite get there. Is it possible that coaches are trying to prepare the entire team and may be having Nelson run certain types of situations that have killed our defense in the past - mobile QB run threat kind of stuff. Are they perhaps having him give the running backs more reps and testing the run defense? I don't know what the coaches are doing. But I guarantee you that everything is planned and scripted and they are preparing the entire team. If Nelson does not have a D1 arm - the coaches would have known that last year and would not have approached the QB situatoin the way they have. This competition is more about knowing what ot do when than who has the strongest or more accurate throw. We all know Heaps has the best arm and Nelson has the best legs. We didn't need Spring and Fall camp to figure that out. The coaches are trying to figure something else out - more complicated.



Heaps has potential every bit as exciting as Ben Olsen had. It turns out Olsen was not tough enough and not a team player and ultimatley, lacked leadership, as near as I can tell. But he threw a very pretty ball. My son-in-law was on his high school team. I really wanted Ben Olsen to play 4 years and break all the records and win the Heisman and get us a NC. But then he pouted and transferred. Everyone lost out on that situation - but especially Ben Olson. So maybe the coaches are trying to make sure Heaps is tough enough and willing to earn his place as a leader of this team. He may do just that. I trust it will all get sorted out.



Go Cougs
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BlueIsBetter wrote:
BlueIsBetter wrote:
If you include (and I know yo McKay actually stopped and waited about 3 seconds before jogging into the endzon.


Dude, I know you have a serious man-crush on Heaps, but now you're just a flat our liar. McKay may have had to slow down his route to catch the ball, but if so, it wasn't much. Besides, Nelson had already over thrown McKay because he couldn't run under his 30 yard bomb so maybe he pulled up on it.



Both QBs have the arms to make all the throws that the BYU offense calls for.


Hawk, I have to answer this. I have looked for 2 days to find any bootleg video, and it's not out there, so I don't have any "proof". And my word against yours, people are going to go yours, because your name is in blue (rightfully so) and mine just has blue in it. So hears how I remember what happened, and you tell me if you think it went different.



Riley was getting pressure from the right side, so he rolled out to the left side of the field. Spotted a wide open Jacobsen and nobody within 15 yards (that has been confirmed by multiple sources). Then proceeded to wind up and throw across field, about 30 yards in the air. Now, are you telling me that ball didn't take 3 seconds to get there? Jaconsen wasn't moving when I focused over to him. It was like a pitch and catch. And you are severely wrong about Nelson being able to make all the throws our offense demands. How do you explain his performance on saturday with four 3 and outs, and overall performance against the ones? And to some extent the twos?


Blue first and foremost I apologize for calling you a liar, it was inappropriate and wrong. Clearly you wrote what you remember and although I disagree with your recollection of the events I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle. You are right in that Heaps faced some pressure and rolled to his left, finding Jacobson across his body wide open on his right and launched a beautiful pass across the field and down field. I remember Jacobsen not standing around waiting, but moving down the sideline and catching it on the move (though clearly not at full stride).
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Prediction: After spending time reviewing video footage over the weekend, Bronco will come out on Monday and say that Heaps is "slightly ahead of" Nelson, "just a hair". Bronco will then re-emphasize that Riley is an upperclassmen, a team leader, a experienced player and hard-worker who has the respect of his teammates, and that he will be given every chance to come out in the rest of fall camp and earn the starting role against Washington on opening day. Bronco also won't rule out Lark and Munns competing for the #1 spot on the depth chart, and will hint that they may have earned more playing time, but will point out that snaps are limited and that they have work left to do to catch-up.



Or maybe not, we'll see. Go grab some popcorn.
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mizzoucoug
Cougarbib2 wrote:
Are they perhaps having him give the running backs more reps and testing the run defense? I don't know what the coaches are doing. But I guarantee you that everything is planned and scripted and they are preparing the entire team.

Go Cougs


It's good for continued competition and it's also prep for Locker and Ponder. We kill 2 birds with one very large stone with this approach. That's only my guess but I think it makes perfect sense, and it is my hope that these reps finally get our LB's back to 2006 form when running QB's were not a problem.
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Brayden Green
hawkwing wrote:
hawkwing wrote:
If you include (and I know yo McKay actually stopped and waited about 3 seconds before jogging into the endzon.


Dude, I know you have a serious man-crush on Heaps, but now you're just a flat our liar. McKay may have had to slow down his route to catch the ball, but if so, it wasn't much. Besides, Nelson had already over thrown McKay because he couldn't run under his 30 yard bomb so maybe he pulled up on it.



Both QBs have the arms to make all the throws that the BYU offense calls for.


Hawk, I have to answer this. I have looked for 2 days to find any bootleg video, and it's not out there, so I don't have any "proof". And my word against yours, people are going to go yours, because your name is in blue (rightfully so) and mine just has blue in it. So hears how I remember what happened, and you tell me if you think it went different.



Riley was getting pressure from the right side, so he rolled out to the left side of the field. Spotted a wide open Jacobsen and nobody within 15 yards (that has been confirmed by multiple sources). Then proceeded to wind up and throw across field, about 30 yards in the air. Now, are you telling me that ball didn't take 3 seconds to get there? Jaconsen wasn't moving when I focused over to him. It was like a pitch and catch. And you are severely wrong about Nelson being able to make all the throws our offense demands. How do you explain his performance on saturday with four 3 and outs, and overall performance against the ones? And to some extent the twos?


Blue first and foremost I apologize for calling you a liar, it was inappropriate and wrong. Clearly you wrote what you remember and although I disagree with your recollection of the events I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle. You are right in that Heaps faced some pressure and rolled to his left, finding Jacobson across his body wide open on his right and launched a beautiful pass across the field and down field. I remember Jacobsen not standing around waiting, but moving down the sideline and catching it on the move (though clearly not at full stride).


I appreciate that. I promise I'm not lying, although my recollection of events might be skewed by perception, and I agree with you that the truth is probably found somewhere in the middle. I'm not sure it was wrong of me to put an addendum on the touchdown, as every beat writer I have read has done the same. Maybe that's not good company to be in, though :) . I don't know to what extent Jacobsen was moving, or the arch on the ball. I only know what I remember, and that might be affected by perception. The important thing is that we address the blown coverage and that Riley bought himself the time to find the missed coverage, and get the ball there.
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blue42
Jake isn't the only one who has a plan.... I have a plan as well, I plan to not read any more threads about the QB situation EVER!!! This is gettting ridiculous, while I appreciate Kitic's idea of posting numbers for a look at what's going on in camp, it's pretty sad to what it has turned into. Come on people save all this hatred for the real enemy... the SNOTS. :munch:



MOD's please go ahead and put these threads in the "other" section were they belong, right next to the political threads because that is what this is turning into, and I absolutely hated those. :evil:
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jonnylingo
blue42 wrote:
Jake isn't the only one who has a plan.... I have a plan as well, I plan to not read any more threads about the QB situation EVER!!!


i would suggest not following BYU football for a while. If this drives you crazy you may just want to stay away from the boards until we are well into the season. the qb issue isn't going away anytime soon. we may still be talking about this going into net year depending on what happens.
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Cougs_Rule
jonnylingo wrote:
Jake isn't the only one who has a plan.... I have a plan as well, I plan to not read any more threads about the QB situation EVER!!!


i would suggest not following BYU football for a while. If this drives you crazy you may just want to stay away from the boards until we are well into the season. the qb issue isn't going away anytime soon. we may still be talking about this going into net year depending on what happens.


You think its bad now....Wait till we lose a game or two! Take the fighting and multiply by 3? 5? This site could literally explode. :evil:
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Brayden Green
wait, who said anything about losing?
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