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Coach Doman on Riley Nelson

by frdbtr · 9/15/2010

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Mars
snoscythe wrote:
Riley Nelson v. AFA in the second half:



6 completions on 12 attempts for 41 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT--PER 78.7



Jake Heaps v. AFA:



2 completions on 6 attempts for 15 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT--PER 21

Riley Nelson v. AFA in the second half:



6 completions on 32 attempts (including runs) for 41 passing yards, 0 TDs. 1.2 passing yards per play. 18% passes completed per play.



Jake Heaps v. AFA:



2 completions in 6 attempts for 15 passing yards, 0 TDs. 2.5 passing yards per play, DOUBLE that of Riley Nelson! 33.3% passes completed per play... 15% BETTER than Riley Nelson!



JJ DiLuigi: About 8 yards per run under Riley Nelson, about 14 yards per run under Jake Heaps.



BYU's Offense: Worse under Riley Nelson, better under Jake Heaps.



Team BYU: Better with Jake Heaps.



The BYU Program's Future: Better with Jake Heaps playing more than Riley Nelson.



BYU Recruiting (for those who care): Better the more Heaps plays and the less Nelson plays.



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Bronco Mendenhall, Robert Anae, and Brandon Doman have all said[/u] that Riley Nelson ran the ball FAR too much against Air Force. They all said that BYU needs to improve our passing game. 6 pass attempts in 32 touches for 41 passing yards, or 1.28 passing yards per play and an 18% pass completion per play, DOES NOT allow BYU to improve our passing game. All 3 coaches said that the offensivew balance was out-of-whack under Nelson. Nelson does not have the ability to provide BYU a balanced offensive attack. Heaps does.



By default at this point, Heaps is the only real answer left. Anyone not related to Nelson stumping for him from an indefensible position on a message board can see that.
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snoscythe
Mars wrote:
Bronco Mendenhall, Robert Anae, and Brandon Doman all said that Riley Nelson ran the ball FAR too much against Air Force. They all said that BYU needs to improve our passing game. 6 pass attempts in 32 touches for 41 passing yards, or 1.28 passing yards per play and an 18% pass completion per play, DOES NOT allow BYU to improve our passing game. All 3 coaches said that the offensive balance was out-of-whack under Nelson.


Absolutely agreed to this point.


Nelson does not have the ability to provide BYU a balanced offensive attack. Heaps does.



By default at this point, Heaps is the only real answer left. Anyone not related to Nelson stumping for him from an indefensible position on a message board can see that.


And this is where we disagree. I believe Nelson can provide that balance through proper game planning.
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i am just saying
I don't understand the term "proper-game planning". Is that code for not using most of our playbook? You target weaknesses of teams and scheme for them. You don't target the weakness of your QB and game plan around it. If you don't have a QB who can run your playbook, then he is the wrong guy. This is simple people. Everyone is quoting stats and percentages and making excuses as to why this guy or that guy is better.



Facts are facts. BYU can not run their tried and true full playbook with Riley as the QB. If you spend any time watching these two kids; it is clear. They are both winners. Both have proven leadership skills. One kid is 5' 11", throws a wounded duck on 80% of his passes and can't attack the entire field. The other kid is 6' 2" and has a cannon attached to his shoulder and has one every national award possible. One kid is 4 years older and played 2.5 seasons of college football and served a two year mission, but can't separate himself from a true Freshman. I love Riley as a backup. Heaps is the best QB on the team. Play him.
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BYULV
Any BYU QB that plays as bad as Riley did in the second half vs AFA should be benched for pretty much any other alternative. I have never seen a poorer QB showing in a half of BYU football in my life (maybe I have a selective memory, but I'd like to hear of any worse half). After the AFA Game would be happy to give Heaps a try, or lark or munns or nearly anyone else . . . Who could do any worse than that half?



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blue42
IndiCoug wrote:
Did you watch the game??? :bug: Wow, your comparision is off base.

1. JJ fumbled Heaps drive on the 5 yard line

So how does this make Heaps a better QB?
IndiCoug wrote:
2. Heaps threw and interception that resulted in ZERO points for AF. Riley fumbled the ball which resulted in +7 for AF which let to them going in at half up by seven.

So Heaps is a better QB because his turnover resulted in 0 points and Nelson's resulted in a TD for AF? To me that sounds like the D did better on one series than they did on the other, how does that make Nelson a worse QB?
IndiCoug wrote:
3. Play calling for Heaps has been terrible. We didn't even throw 4 times in a row with Max. If they would playcall for Heaps the way they did for Max last year he would be ok. (I'm saying rushing vs. passing)

I would check your facts with this one better before you start throwing out "stats" I know for a fact against OU last year Hall had 8 pass plays in a row. I guess the play calling for Hall was twice as bad in the OU game
IndiCoug wrote:
4. Nelson nearly throws interceptions on the 4th and 5th play of the game.

I guess this is a good reason that Nelson is such a crappy passer because the D can't even catch his lousy passes! :roll: Okay so we are now penalizing people for things that almost happens, I guess if a receiver almost drops a TD pass, even though it was caught we should still count it against them, or better yet take the TD away. :roll:
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Cougarbib
We have major problems on offense and most of them are not the quarterbacks. The OL better dhow up and especially our inexperienced center or we will soon have an injured QB. We don't have a full back. Our tight ends are invisible. The wide receivers have disappointed. Now, should I move onto our inconsistent punter, inexperienced front 7, or our inexperience at safety?



The coaches have a lot of work to do. Leave them alone if you can't support them.



I am not sure where MARS has been for a while but who let him out of his time-out. Talk about assinine.



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