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by pjmuli · 9/26/2010

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Cougarbib
As the game slows down for Heaps - he will start making the throws - he already makes them in practice. BYU has rarely, IMHO, been effective with the fades. Maybe he is nailing them in practice and will eventually start nailing them in games with chaos all around him and in his face.



USU defense will be weaker than any of the 4 we have faced - even UW. That in itself will slow the game down for Heaps. Practice reps are probably not as significant now as game reps with live hitting. Well, Friday, Heaps starts with 4 more quarters of that than he had last week.



I am going to go way out of character for the Bib here and call a 250+ yard passing game with 100+ yards of rushing resulting in 26+ points.



Bronco thinks double the points will win. VS USU, maybe the D hits the 20 point target they are given each game.



Go Cougs



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Matty-B
The number one thing that comforts me about Heaps:



Supposedly from what coaches and reporters and observers have been saying his entire time working out with the team... He is amazing at 2 things... The Long ball and throwing while on the run.

So far these have been his worst throws he has made in games from what I have noticed. I think that with time (a couple more games) he will get very comfortable and those throws will come too and he will be just fine!
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Mars
Cougarbib2 wrote:
MARS wouldn't recognize any context that didn't support the conclusion he has already jumped to if he pulled his head out of a dark hole and stated it right in the face.

You sure are pitiful, aren't you Little Stalker?
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Mars
Schmoe wrote:
Here's the context on this particular third down: The play call was perfect, the man was wide open and easily had the first, but your goldenboy Hope, oops, I mean Heaps, missed the mark with a very poorly thrown ball.

"My" golden boy? Changing your username to "UteSchmoe" already? :skeptic:
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Mars
Schmoe wrote:
do you take pleasure when heaps overthrows one of our receivers?
I take pleasure in not calling the coaches dumb when the play call was spot on. I take pleasure in recognizing that our problems went way beyond QB and that all the trash being thrown around about the two-qb system and how terrible Nelson is was nothing more than garbage. I take pleasure in being rooted in reality.

If you think the coaches don't make dumb calls, you are not rooted in reality.

If you think the coaches shouldn't run more on 3rd down, you are not rooted in reality.

If you think the two-qb system was a good idea, you are not rooted in reality.

If you think Nelson was a BYU qb, you are not rooted in reality.



If you think Kariya is better at running the ball than DiLuigi or Quezada, you are not rooted in reality.



"Take pleasure" in wisening up, the sooner the better. Or sit on your duff and bash BYU like a jackass. Either way I guess.
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Schmoe
Mars wrote:
Here's the context on this particular third down: The play call was perfect, the man was wide open and easily had the first, but your goldenboy Hope, oops, I mean Heaps, missed the mark with a very poorly thrown ball.

"My" golden boy? Changing your username to "UteSchmoe" already? :skeptic:


I'm not saying that he's not good or that he won't be stellar, but you've been bashing Nelson and making excuses for Heaps since day one. I'd say that it makes him your goldenboy, but if you'd prefer that I call you his bitch, I can do that instead ;) :lol:



You can't bash the coaches for that third down, because they made the right call. Heaps screwed up on that play. The coaches made bad calls on other plays. There's plenty of blame to go around, that's my point, there's not just one person or unit that is to blame, the whole team is making mistakes and needs to shore things up a lot if we want to start winning games. That's it, but if you want to continue to make excuses for certain players and coaches whilst throwing others under the bus, I guess that's up to you.
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Schmoe
Mars wrote:
jonnylingo wrote:
do you take pleasure when heaps overthrows one of our receivers?
I take pleasure in not calling the coaches dumb when the play call was spot on. I take pleasure in recognizing that our problems went way beyond QB and that all the trash being thrown around about the two-qb system and how terrible Nelson is was nothing more than garbage. I take pleasure in being rooted in reality.

If you think the coaches don't make dumb calls, you are not rooted in reality.

If you think the coaches shouldn't run more on 3rd down, you are not rooted in reality.

If you think the two-qb system was a good idea, you are not rooted in reality.

If you think Nelson was a BYU qb, you are not rooted in reality.



If you think Kariya is better at running the ball than DiLuigi or Quezada, you are not rooted in reality.



I'm a jackass with a Napoleon complex and I can't just admit that I've misread or misunderstood anything so I just bash people until they ignore me because I've got too much time on my hands.


Where did I suggest that the coaches don't ever make dumb calls? Where did I suggest that we shouldn't vary our 3rd down calls more? Where did I suggest that the two-qb system was the best for this team since we've seen it in action? Nelson was a BYU qb, he played qb at BYU, so you actually are not rooted in reality :P Where have I suggested that Kariya is BETTER than JJ or Juice?



And, I fixed the last part for you, it makes much more sense now ;) Seriously though, lighten up Mars, I know it's not been the season we all hoped for and many expected, but the sun will come up tomorrow.
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Mars
Schmoe wrote:
You can't bash the coaches for that third down, because they made the right call. Heaps screwed up on that play.

I wasn't even referring to that particular 3rd down, so nice reading comprehension. But yes, it was a dumb call. 3rd and 4. JJ is running for more than 4 yards a pop. Quezada is running for more than 4 yards a pop. BYU is about 66% on converting running 3rd downs, and about 20% on converting passing 3rd downs. Bad call by the coaches. Very dumb. ESPECIALLY when followed up by an especially dumb 4th down call.
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Schmoe
Mars wrote:
You can't bash the coaches for that third down, because they made the right call. Heaps screwed up on that play.

I wasn't even referring to that particular 3rd down, so nice reading comprehension. But yes, it was a dumb call. 3rd and 4. JJ is running for more than 4 yards a pop. Quezada is running for more than 4 yards a pop. BYU is about 66% on converting running 3rd downs, and about 20% on converting passing 3rd downs. Bad call by the coaches. Very dumb. ESPECIALLY when followed up by an especially dumb 4th down call.


You made your comment about running vs passing on 3rd down in response to me (I know because you quoted me) and I WAS talking about that specific 3rd down. Reading comprehension failure falls back to you. Are we really gonna play this game, really?
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Cougarfan87
Schmoe wrote:
Schmoe wrote:
Here's the context on this particular third down: The play call was perfect, the man was wide open and easily had the first, but your goldenboy Hope, oops, I mean Heaps, missed the mark with a very poorly thrown ball.

"My" golden boy? Changing your username to "UteSchmoe" already? :skeptic:

The coaches made bad calls on other plays. There's plenty of blame to go around, that's my point, there's not just one person or unit that is to blame, the whole team is making mistakes and needs to shore things up a lot if we want to start winning games. That's it, but if you want to continue to make excuses for certain players and coaches whilst throwing others under the bus, I guess that's up to you.




The difference is that coaches are paid boatloads of money to get it right. You expect mistakes from TRUE FRESHMEN like Jake Heaps, Quezada, and the other really talented players we have this year. You don't expect boneheaded decisions from your Coaches who do this as a PROFESSION. A coach should always take more blame than a player.



Let me give you an example. One BYU coach from the Lavell era was telling a story where they used a 4th and short play one week and did not come up with a different play the next week when they were facing Utah. Sure enough, 4th and short came up, we went for it, and got stuffed. That 4th down conversion was key to losing the game. The coaches took the blame for that loss, even though it was the players who didn't execute it. Bronco is right to take blame for losses as ultimately it falls on the coach. I wish Anae would man up and be a little more accepting of his blame as well.
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Italics
Schmoe vs. Mars?



Does the winner get a "Most Stubborn Poster" trophy?



PS - Mars, stop quoting people I have ignored!!!



PPS - For the record, I agree with what I see Mars posting



PPPS - Cougarcorner are a bunch of nazi fascists!!!
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Schmoe
Italics wrote:

For the record, I agree with what I see Mars posting


Well Mars, it was a good debate, but this settles it, you must be wrong.
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jonnylingo
hawkwing wrote:
Lawboy wrote:
HEAPS may spell hope, but he also spells overthrown or off the mark lately. His footwork has been bad the last 2 games. He is backing up when he throws--especially the fade patterns. When he steps into his throws--like the rifled out to Hoffman in the 4th--he is accurate. He needs to get hit footwork better and step into his throws and his accuracy will improve, including on his roll outs (see bad pass to Kariya on another drive). I think it just goes to show he is still young and nervous. He is not turning it over--which is really nice--but his accuracy is still a real issue. On 3rd downs, the kid needs to move the chains.


You make a good point but if hafoka and ashworth simply catch balls that either hit them in the chest in the endzone or hit them in the arms right before he went into the endzone we have two more touchdowns that we didn't have which changes the game.



heaps also overthrew ashowrth who was wide open on a deep route and luigi which would have also resulted in touchdowns. The fact is that game is winnable I would put money down that if heaps had been getting all the reps with the receivers since game 1 or in fall camp we win that game and fsu becomes a toss up.



as the timing between heaps and his receivers gets better and as heaps gets more accurate during the games we will get better and win more games. jake still has a lot to improve upon but he is making those passes in practices. give him some time and he starts making them in the games as well. Just be patient. Our offense is going to be deadly.



Was great seeing Q get a little more carries as well. He is going to be seeing a lot of playing time by the end of the year as well. The coaches love him. Having him and Luigi is going to be great. With time heaps and our receivers will live up to their potential and when that happens we are going to win a lot of games.


Di'Luigi, diluigi, or JJ works too.


I like Luigi.
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jonnylingo
Schmoe wrote:
Schmoe wrote:
Italics wrote:
Stats are interesting when completely ignoring context. Most of the time (not all, but logic would tell you) you're of course going to see teams running on 3rd down when they are in short yardage situations (1-3 yards), and therefore they are more likely to get it. Passing on 3rd down is typically going to of course be reserved for longer yardage situations. Reason would tell you that this might have at least a LITTLE to do with why teams may be more successful converting 3rd downs by running the ball.

Look up the context for once. You'll be surprised.


Here's the context on this particular third down: The play call was perfect, the man was wide open and easily had the first, but your goldenboy Hope, oops, I mean Heaps, missed the mark with a very poorly thrown ball.


do you take pleasure when heaps overthrows one of our receivers?


I take pleasure in not calling the coaches dumb when the play call was spot on. I take pleasure in recognizing that our problems went way beyond QB and that all the trash being thrown around about the two-qb system and how terrible Nelson is was nothing more than garbage. I take pleasure in being rooted in reality.


Your reality must be in some kind of fairyland because the reality is that play call that was"spot on" failed miserably.
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Schmoe
jonnylingo wrote:
jonnylingo wrote:
Mars wrote:
Stats are interesting when completely ignoring context. Most of the time (not all, but logic would tell you) you're of course going to see teams running on 3rd down when they are in short yardage situations (1-3 yards), and therefore they are more likely to get it. Passing on 3rd down is typically going to of course be reserved for longer yardage situations. Reason would tell you that this might have at least a LITTLE to do with why teams may be more successful converting 3rd downs by running the ball.

Look up the context for once. You'll be surprised.


Here's the context on this particular third down: The play call was perfect, the man was wide open and easily had the first, but your goldenboy Hope, oops, I mean Heaps, missed the mark with a very poorly thrown ball.


do you take pleasure when heaps overthrows one of our receivers?


I take pleasure in not calling the coaches dumb when the play call was spot on. I take pleasure in recognizing that our problems went way beyond QB and that all the trash being thrown around about the two-qb system and how terrible Nelson is was nothing more than garbage. I take pleasure in being rooted in reality.


Your reality must be in some kind of fairyland because the reality is that play call that was"spot on" failed miserably.


No play call will work if the players fail to execute, like in this situation.
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Lawboy
There is fallacy in blaming a failed play simply on execution. Sometimes the other team just out schemes it, is better, or under the situation, the call was bad. using execution as an excuse for everything is a cop out. I get that execution is huge, but sometimes there is much more to it than that. Look at our D. they may execute well, but still get beat due to superior speed, execution of the opponent, etc. sometimes, you just need raw ability to get it done. That X factor can not be overlooked. Teams with more raw talent that execute beat teams with less raw talent that execute.
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Schmoe
Lawboy wrote:
There is fallacy in blaming a failed play simply on execution. Sometimes the other team just out schemes it, is better, or under the situation, the call was bad. using execution as an excuse for everything is a cop out. I get that execution is huge, but sometimes there is much more to it than that. Look at our D. they may execute well, but still get beat due to superior speed, execution of the opponent, etc. sometimes, you just need raw ability to get it done. That X factor can not be overlooked. Teams with more raw talent that execute beat teams with less raw talent that execute.


I agree with you when speaking in generalities, but we're talking about a specific play here.
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Lawboy
Yeah, and 4th and 4 sweep with your slowest back, even in a hurry up set, has better rate of success with a speed back than a slow back. Whether BYU got that play off fast or not, the chances of converting it increased with JJ or Q carrying than with Kariya. Better physical talent in the execution always increase likelihood of success.
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jonnylingo
No play call will work if the players fail to execute, like in this situation.


This was not a case where the players didn't execute. Bronco saw that they had an extra player there but he didn't call time out and decided to go ahead anyway.


As it was designed to be a quick-snap play, personnel changes were not going to be made. Mike Hague and Kariya were the backs in play. The play call was a short-side sweep. After the game, head coach Bronco Mendenhall told us the anticipation was that UNR would not have the edge sealed, but an additional 'Pack player was present and the play ran out of room. Additionally, Mendenhall said the play took longer than designed to set up, eliminating its "quick snap" characteristic.



At such a key juncture, there was clearly uncertainly about BYU's ability to run that play successfully, yet the play was run anyway. Kariya could fairly be called an unconventional choice to run a short-side sweep, but on his previous carry, he had run for seven yards behind Zed Mendenhall.


These are wrubell's after hte interview comments. listen to the actualy interview and wrubell is nicely saying, WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL TIME OUT WHEN YOU SAW THAT THEY HAD THE EDGE SEALED OFF! They had the edge sealed but bronco or anea instaed of calling time out and reconsidering went ahead with the play. it wasn't execution that was the problem. it was a horrible play call.
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SpiffCoug
jonnylingo wrote:
jonnylingo wrote:
HEAPS may spell hope, but he also spells overthrown or off the mark lately. His footwork has been bad the last 2 games. He is backing up when he throws--especially the fade patterns. When he steps into his throws--like the rifled out to Hoffman in the 4th--he is accurate. He needs to get hit footwork better and step into his throws and his accuracy will improve, including on his roll outs (see bad pass to Kariya on another drive). I think it just goes to show he is still young and nervous. He is not turning it over--which is really nice--but his accuracy is still a real issue. On 3rd downs, the kid needs to move the chains.


You make a good point but if hafoka and ashworth simply catch balls that either hit them in the chest in the endzone or hit them in the arms right before he went into the endzone we have two more touchdowns that we didn't have which changes the game.



heaps also overthrew ashowrth who was wide open on a deep route and luigi which would have also resulted in touchdowns. The fact is that game is winnable I would put money down that if heaps had been getting all the reps with the receivers since game 1 or in fall camp we win that game and fsu becomes a toss up.



as the timing between heaps and his receivers gets better and as heaps gets more accurate during the games we will get better and win more games. jake still has a lot to improve upon but he is making those passes in practices. give him some time and he starts making them in the games as well. Just be patient. Our offense is going to be deadly.



Was great seeing Q get a little more carries as well. He is going to be seeing a lot of playing time by the end of the year as well. The coaches love him. Having him and Luigi is going to be great. With time heaps and our receivers will live up to their potential and when that happens we are going to win a lot of games.


Di'Luigi, diluigi, or JJ works too.


I like Luigi.

His legs do kind of move quickly like Luigi's did in Super Mario Bros. 2.
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