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Bronco shirks responsibility again

by taekwondave · 10/2/2010

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taekwondave
hawkwing wrote:
I have a hard time taking anything someone says serious when they claim that Bronco of all people shirks responsibility. The man is the cause of every trip, accident, and mistake if you listen to his press conferences.


Take seriously who you want Hawk, and I know what you mean by "taking responsibility", but you apparently haven't read the whole thread. There is a way to take responsibility and a way not to. I'm arguing that Bronco does it the wrong way. Much like you would apologize to someone by saying, "Sorry you got upset." Rather than, "I'm sorry I was such a jerk." Big difference.
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CAFB_04-12
geez dave, I really think that no matter what Bronco says you'll find some way of twisting it into something it's not.
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BoiseBYU
mizzoucoug wrote:



However, had Bronco come out and said, "I take full responsibility for this loss. The guys weren't connecting because I took too long deciding who would throw the passes. This is on me and I apologize to my team. It's not their fault at this point, I have ruined much of their preparation time through controversy and I have not been calling good plays during the game. They are doing great. They are doing everything I've asked but it's still not working. That means I need to change the way I'm doing things. I want to thank my players for their patience with me."




Yes, this adds to my thought about throwing the "E" word out there. This should be the commentary, not "The players just didn't "E&*((*&e!" BS

If Bronco says he plans to "execute" Anae, will that solve things? ;)
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BOID
hawkwing wrote:
I have a hard time taking anything someone says serious when they claim that Bronco of all people shirks responsibility. The man is the cause of every trip, accident, and mistake if you listen to his press conferences.


Agreed. Bronco is the single greatest asset to BYU's football program over the past five years. I trust him, and do not concur with any assessment that questions his ability to take personal responsibility. I also say that regardless of my surprise at Hill's firing.... if Bronco says it was necessary, then it was necessary.



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Ddawg
Taekwondave is a pot stirrer. Yawwwwwn. Go away.
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Schmoe
Ddawg wrote:
Taekwondave is a pot smoker. Yawwwwwn. Go away.


Fixed it ;)
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taekwondave
CAFB_04-12 wrote:
geez dave, I really think that no matter what Bronco says you'll find some way of twisting it into something it's not.


Based on just this? You been following my posts and think I have a history of this or something? That's quite the assumption.



Let me be clear here, because I think I've calmed down a little bit since I started this thread.



I don't believe Bronco MEANT to shirk responsibility. That's why he said, "I take responsibility..." He was clearly attempting to do the right thing as a coach in this horrible situation. But I think a lot of coaches make this same mistake. You see, what's going on in their mind is that they are already hating their lives right now, having hit a streak of unexplainable lack of successes. Now they have to talk to the media and they KNOW the media has an opinion on it, and at least ONE of those media guys will have an opinion that reflects negatively on HIM. Now HE knows what he's doing wrong, but he really doesn't have the time or energy to sit down and explain all of the ins and outs to a bunch of media guys, but he knows he needs to take responsibility for what happened. So, feeling desirous on some level to defend himself, feeling very exhausted and unable to really consider the best way to talk to do it, but being aware of this need to take responsibility he says, "I take responsibility for the way our team played tonight."



Now, I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt that he really DOES take responsibility for the loss. I would want that benefit and I'm sure you all would too. So, okay, we'll give him that.



But it's still unfortunate that he said THAT as opposed to what he COULD have said; unfortunate for HIM. Why? Well, because of cause and effect. The effect those words will probably have won't help what Bronco really probably wants to accomplish right now.



And what does he want to accomplish right now? (Aside from actually winning a football game against a D-1 opponent?)



Right now he wants team unity. He wants his players to believe in themselves and step it up. He wants them to continue to trust him as they have in the past. He wants them to WANT to win for HIM.



And he had a great chance at that press conference (mentioned above) to aid in that effort. How? Well, you see, you have to look at it from the players' and the public's perspective (You are the public, so this shouldn't be too hard.) as well as from the sportswriters' perspective. (You want all of these people on your side when things get chippy like they are now.) What he SHOULD have said (and I know some of you might think I'm mincing words here, but words are all the guy has got after an embarrassment like that last game so he needs to use them wisely) was that he took responsibility FOR THE LOSS.



You see, what he SAID was that he took responsibility for HOW THE TEAM PLAYED. There I go, mincing words, but seriously, from a player, fan, and sportswriter perspective, the feelings those two statements evoke are VERY different. As I stated earlier in the thread, it is like the difference between saying, "I'm sorry. I screwed up." And, "I'm sorry that you didn't like what I did."



Look closely and you'll see the insinuation in the second example. That insinuation was that you didn't really do anything wrong, and you're only apologizing to the person for the fact that they got offended. It's a sneaky way of saying, "I'm sorry you're an idiot." So yes, technically you apologized (took responsibility) but nobody with a keen ear will honestly feel apologized to.



So when Bronco said he took responsibility for the way the team played, to me as a fan and if I was a player, I would FEEL like Bronco didn't REALLY accept responsibility for his game-time role in the loss. If I'm a player I'm thinking he's still blaming me. Now, had Bronco done the CUNNING thing, he would have said that he took full responsibility NOT FOR THE WAY THE PLAYERS PLAYED (only THEY can take responsibility for that. He can't rob them of that.) BUT FOR THE LOSS ITSELF. That is a subtle difference, but it would create a TOTALLY different feeling for me as a player.



Had he done that and had I been on the team I would have felt like Bronco, rather than having thrown me under the bus as was his prerogative, instead saved me from the bus and threw himself under instead. Something happens inside a player that feels like a coach just stuck his neck out for him and took all the heat. IT INSPIRES THE PLAYER TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING. And THAT is what Bronco REALLY wants to accomplish right now; getting each and every player to really take personal responsibility for THEIR part in the loss, no matter how seemingly insignificant. Doing that can right the ship maybe faster than anything.



Unfortunately for our current program and for Bronco personally though, what he said MIGHT have been construed by his players as him not REALLY thinking he did anything wrong, which means he really thinks the blame lies squarely with them. Now THAT, as a player, would make me feel DEFENSIVE towards my coach instead. Bronco does NOT want his players feeling that way towards him. He needs them on his side. He needs them to be open to his instruction and his leadership. I simply fear that his words will inhibit that, rather than facilitate it as they could have. Too bad for him. Too bad for all of us, I guess. Let's hope it doesn't wind up mattering :)
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taekwondave
Ddawg wrote:
Taekwondave is a pot stirrer. Yawwwwwn. Go away.


Oh blah. You clearly didn't read the whole thread or I doubt you'd say that. But whatever.
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taekwondave
BOID wrote:
I have a hard time taking anything someone says serious when they claim that Bronco of all people shirks responsibility. The man is the cause of every trip, accident, and mistake if you listen to his press conferences.


Agreed. Bronco is the single greatest asset to BYU's football program over the past five years. I trust him, and do not concur with any assessment that questions his ability to take personal responsibility. I also say that regardless of my surprise at Hill's firing.... if Bronco says it was necessary, then it was necessary.



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Yeah, me too. Ever since Bronco became the Prophet, I've stopped questioning him as well... ;)
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Brayden Green
you know, if you put Dave on ignore, this whole thread goes down to a half a page... ;)
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bouteloua
Give me a break Dave... would you have said all this last year when bronco had 10 plus wins for 4 seasons? (which by the way lavell did not do) Bronco is still the same coach this year as the previous four. Ask Johnson, he said pretty much that in the postgame of the USU game on KSL radio. Bronco is not the problem here. I don't have the answers either, but it will get fixed. I just hope we can salvage at least bowl eligibility this year.
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taekwondave
I don't think Bronco is THE problem here, no. I really don't. I agree with most folks that think that Bronco is one of the best things to ever happen to our program.



That being said, come on! The guy is not without flaws! People do things wrong. They act contrary to principle, even when they're so sure they're acting according to it. Bronco is no exception. I am pointing out something he could have done better in this case and I lament that he blew it is all. But I love Bronco. I think he's done a great job coaching and a great job recruiting, and I'm SOOOOOO glad he'll be directly in charge of the defense again. I wish he had never left doing that.



But yes, I WOULD be saying this stuff last year had it been so apparent. But it wasn't. It was in our losses, but our losses were sandwiched by wins and so it was easier to disregard the things I noticed. right now our losses are sandwiched by other losses and its not quite so easy to disregard.



Bronco's great, but you probably are too, and I'm sure you can improve in something, right?
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snoscythe
I love it when people take one tidbit from an entire press conference and run with it as somehow the sum total of the remarks. Bronco's comments on execution seem a bit less "shirking" when you read what he said RIGHT AFTER THAT:


"I told them (the players) that it was my responsibility to help them play at a higher level," Mendenhall said. "I would hope to ask more of myself and our staff to get the improvement necessary. They (the players) have to make a choice about how hard they are willing to work to move the team forward."


Sounds like he's really trying to pass the buck...
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frdbtr
bouteloua wrote:
Give me a break Dave... would you have said all this last year when bronco had 10 plus wins for 4 seasons? (which by the way lavell did not do) Bronco is still the same coach this year as the previous four. Ask Johnson, he said pretty much that in the postgame of the USU game on KSL radio. Bronco is not the problem here. I don't have the answers either, but it will get fixed. I just hope we can salvage at least bowl eligibility this year.


BYU isn't going to get bowl eligible this season. That is done. They only way they would be able to do that is if we could recruit John Beck, Austin Collie, Dennis Pitta, a healthy Harvey Unga and the entire 2006 defense to come finish up the season for us.
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taekwondave
snoscythe wrote:
I love it when people take one tidbit from an entire press conference and run with it as somehow the sum total of the remarks. Bronco's comments on execution seem a bit less "shirking" when you read what he said RIGHT AFTER THAT:


"I told them (the players) that it was my responsibility to help them play at a higher level," Mendenhall said. "I would hope to ask more of myself and our staff to get the improvement necessary. They (the players) have to make a choice about how hard they are willing to work to move the team forward."


Sounds like he's really trying to pass the buck...


Sno, again, did you read the whole thread? Or did YOU just take one tidbit from it and run with it?



Those additional quotes you provided lend even MORE evidence to what I was saying. Can you not tell why?
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Gucci33
I agree 100% he is a DC not a HC. He does not know how to talk with the media. Many times I listen to what he says and say to my self "did he really just say that"
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BYULV
Wow! There is some serious misdirected ire on this thread.



Ps. Yes Dave, I have read the entire thread except for a couple of times I skimmed your longer posts because they seemed to be rehashing the same things. Just because some on here disagree with you does not mean they haven't read the entire thread.



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taekwondave
BYULV wrote:
Wow! There is some serious misdirected ire on this thread.



Ps. Yes Dave, I have read the entire thread except for a couple of times I skimmed your longer posts because they seemed to be rehashing the same things. Just because some on here disagree with you does not mean they haven't read the entire thread.



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The fact that they disagree with me does not lead me to believe they didn't read it, certain things they say that I already addressed indicate they didn't.
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BoiseBYU
Having read the news conference and the thread, to say Bronco has shirked his responsibilities is irresponsible and unfair.



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frdbtr
Gucci33 wrote:
I agree 100% he is a DC not a HC. He does not know how to talk with the media. Many times I listen to what he says and say to my self "did he really just say that"


Funny, it took exactly 4 games for you to decide that a Head coach that has led the team to its Best winning percentage ever with 4 consecutive 10+ win seasons is a better Dcoordinator then head coach. I think Bronco's answers to the media are refreshing, he is honest with them and always gives straight answers.
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