Comparing Heaps to other Freshman QBs

frdbtr wrote:
Heaps PER rating is bad because he misses on the easy throws. I can't even count how many times he has missed on full back throws, screen passes and over the middle throws that are within 10 yards.

Mars wrote:

Heaps PER rating is bad because he misses on the easy throws. I can't even count how many times he has missed on full back throws, screen passes and over the middle throws that are within 10 yards.

Passes over the middle? Have you watched BYU play this year at all? :bug:

frdbtr wrote:
Ok, since we are comparing all of BYU's freshman TE's to Dennis Pitta, how many dropped passes do you think this years reciever corps would have if Max Hall were throwing to them this year instead of the Freshman QB? It's all speculation though since we don't have Max Hall, and Dennis Pitta did not have to catch balls from Heaps but I submit that there would have been less drops this year if Max Hall were the QB at BYU.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

Ok, since we are comparing all of BYU's freshman TE's to Dennis Pitta, how many dropped passes do you think this years reciever corps would have if Max Hall were throwing to them this year instead of the Freshman QB? It's all speculation though since we don't have Max Hall, and Dennis Pitta did not have to catch balls from Heaps but I submit that there would have been less drops this year if Max Hall were the QB at BYU.

I disagree. do you wonder why Max threw into triple coverage away form these guys?

frdbtr wrote:

frdbtr wrote:
Ok, since we are comparing all of BYU's freshman TE's to Dennis Pitta, how many dropped passes do you think this years reciever corps would have if Max Hall were throwing to them this year instead of the Freshman QB? It's all speculation though since we don't have Max Hall, and Dennis Pitta did not have to catch balls from Heaps but I submit that there would have been less drops this year if Max Hall were the QB at BYU.

I disagree. do you wonder why Max threw into triple coverage away form these guys?

Do you remember these guys dropping 5 passes per game that max Hall threw?

BlueIsBetter wrote:

BlueIsBetter wrote:

Ok, since we are comparing all of BYU's freshman TE's to Dennis Pitta, how many dropped passes do you think this years reciever corps would have if Max Hall were throwing to them this year instead of the Freshman QB? It's all speculation though since we don't have Max Hall, and Dennis Pitta did not have to catch balls from Heaps but I submit that there would have been less drops this year if Max Hall were the QB at BYU.

I disagree. do you wonder why Max threw into triple coverage away form these guys?

Do you remember these guys dropping 5 passes per game that max Hall threw?

Do you remember these guys getting 5 passes a game?

frdbtr wrote:

frdbtr wrote:

frdbtr wrote:
Ok, since we are comparing all of BYU's freshman TE's to Dennis Pitta, how many dropped passes do you think this years reciever corps would have if Max Hall were throwing to them this year instead of the Freshman QB? It's all speculation though since we don't have Max Hall, and Dennis Pitta did not have to catch balls from Heaps but I submit that there would have been less drops this year if Max Hall were the QB at BYU.

I disagree. do you wonder why Max threw into triple coverage away form these guys?

Do you remember these guys dropping 5 passes per game that max Hall threw?

Do you remember these guys getting 5 passes a game?

does it matter? Can you offer more proof that the reason Max was throwing to Pitta more then other recievers is because they were dropping his passes? There is no game evidence of that. I remember our wide recievers, including Ashworth catching a lot of balls, and I don't remember a lot of drops.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Ask him. Why else would you throw constantly into double and triple coverage if you don't trust your other guys?



Of course you don't, because they didn't ever get the ball thrown their way. Really, besides Pitta, George, Unga, and Jacobsen - who else got the ball? Oh yeah, Tonga... who else?

frdbtr wrote:

Ask him. Why else would you throw constantly into double and triple coverage if you don't trust your other guys?



Of course you don't, because they didn't ever get the ball thrown their way. Really, besides Pitta, George, Unga, and Jacobsen - who else got the ball? Oh yeah, Tonga... who else?

Since I don't have Max Hall on my rolodex and I am pretty sure you don't either, I thought I would post last years recieving stats to show you who besides Pitta was catching Max Hall's passes. I'll bet the second leading reciever from last year will surprise you.



RECEIVING GP No. Yds Avg TD Long Avg/G

PITTA, Dennis 13 62 829 13.4 8 35 63.8

CHAMBERS, O'Nei 13 32 376 11.8 1 37 28.9

GEORGE, Andrew 13 30 408 13.6 5 34 31.4

TONGA, Manase 12 30 271 9.0 4 24 22.6

ASHWORTH, Luke 13 28 387 13.8 4 48 29.8

JACOBSON, McKay 9 23 556 24.2 4 80 61.8

DI LUIGI, JJ 13 22 270 12.3 4 44 20.8

KARIYA, Bryan 13 16 186 11.6 2 49 14.3

HAFOKA, Spencer 13 16 155 9.7 1 24 11.9

UNGA, Harvey 12 16 121 7.6 1 28 10.1

THOMPSON, Brett 12 6 95 15.8 0 46 7.9

HEIMULI, Anthon 6 1 5 5.0 0 5 0.8

Total 13 282 3659 13.0 34 80 281.5

Opponents 13 262 2846 10.9 18 75 218.9

frdbtr wrote:

Ask him. Why else would you throw constantly into double and triple coverage if you don't trust your other guys?



Of course you don't, because they didn't ever get the ball thrown their way. Really, besides Pitta, George, Unga, and Jacobsen - who else got the ball? Oh yeah, Tonga... who else?

Since I don't have Max Hall on my rolodex and I am pretty sure you don't either, I thought I would post last years recieving stats to show you who besides Pitta was catching Max Hall's passes. I'll bet the second leading reciever from last year will surprise you.



RECEIVING GP No. Yds Avg TD Long Avg/G

PITTA, Dennis 13 62 829 13.4 8 35 63.8

CHAMBERS, O'Nei 13 32 376 11.8 1 37 28.9

GEORGE, Andrew 13 30 408 13.6 5 34 31.4

TONGA, Manase 12 30 271 9.0 4 24 22.6

ASHWORTH, Luke 13 28 387 13.8 4 48 29.8

JACOBSON, McKay 9 23 556 24.2 4 80 61.8

DI LUIGI, JJ 13 22 270 12.3 4 44 20.8

KARIYA, Bryan 13 16 186 11.6 2 49 14.3

HAFOKA, Spencer 13 16 155 9.7 1 24 11.9

UNGA, Harvey 12 16 121 7.6 1 28 10.1

THOMPSON, Brett 12 6 95 15.8 0 46 7.9

HEIMULI, Anthon 6 1 5 5.0 0 5 0.8

Total 13 282 3659 13.0 34 80 281.5

Opponents 13 262 2846 10.9 18 75 218.9

snoscythe wrote:

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Ask him. Why else would you throw constantly into double and triple coverage if you don't trust your other guys?



Of course you don't, because they didn't ever get the ball thrown their way. Really, besides Pitta, George, Unga, and Jacobsen - who else got the ball? Oh yeah, Tonga... who else?

Since I don't have Max Hall on my rolodex and I am pretty sure you don't either, I thought I would post last years recieving stats to show you who besides Pitta was catching Max Hall's passes. I'll bet the second leading reciever from last year will surprise you.



RECEIVING GP No. Yds Avg TD Long Avg/G

PITTA, Dennis 13 62 829 13.4 8 35 63.8

CHAMBERS, O'Nei 13 32 376 11.8 1 37 28.9

GEORGE, Andrew 13 30 408 13.6 5 34 31.4

TONGA, Manase 12 30 271 9.0 4 24 22.6

ASHWORTH, Luke 13 28 387 13.8 4 48 29.8

JACOBSON, McKay 9 23 556 24.2 4 80 61.8

DI LUIGI, JJ 13 22 270 12.3 4 44 20.8

KARIYA, Bryan 13 16 186 11.6 2 49 14.3

HAFOKA, Spencer 13 16 155 9.7 1 24 11.9

UNGA, Harvey 12 16 121 7.6 1 28 10.1

THOMPSON, Brett 12 6 95 15.8 0 46 7.9

HEIMULI, Anthon 6 1 5 5.0 0 5 0.8

Total 13 282 3659 13.0 34 80 281.5

Opponents 13 262 2846 10.9 18 75 218.9

So, although exactly half of these receivers didn't return this season, the half that did return accounted for 55%+ of Hall's completions.....

Lawboy wrote:
If you can not see the problems with this offense and play calling with this scheme, you either do not know football or you have your head in the sand. The passing scheme is AWFUL. The receivers are not being put in enough positions to make plays, the TE's certainly are not, and thus, the QB is not. The pass patterns we run are worse than Crowton's right now. Dink and dunk is fine, but why not try doing it over the middle some with a WR or TE, instead of to the RB every time? G owatch how Austin Collie is used by the Colts, then ask why we do not run anything remotely close to those patterns with our guys in the slot. And what really has happened to the pass to the RB in the flat this year? And when we have 3rd and 2 or less, why does Anae insist on running with JJ who does not convert those, instead of Kariya-who AWLAYS does. The problems with this offense, the play calling, the scheming are so numerous, it is a joke. Jake's stats are not great, but to put them all on him is just dumb, when you factor in drops, play calling, and lack of any game breaker on offense this year. Coach Anae is the problem here, without question.

kitic77 wrote:

Pete Thomas of CSU



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They've played three same opponents: Air Force, Nevada and TCU.

Here's how the two stack up:

Thomas: 40-65-1-310; 0 TDs, 98.52 rating, 61.5%. 0-3 record scoring 27, 6, and 0 points (11ppg).

Heaps: 40-81-3-335; 0 TDs, 76.72 rating, 49.4%. 0-2 record (only 8 snaps vs AF). Scoring 13 and 3 points (8ppg [not counting AF]).

cougman wrote:

If you can not see the problems with this offense and play calling with this scheme, you either do not know football or you have your head in the sand. The passing scheme is AWFUL. The receivers are not being put in enough positions to make plays, the TE's certainly are not, and thus, the QB is not. The pass patterns we run are worse than Crowton's right now. Dink and dunk is fine, but why not try doing it over the middle some with a WR or TE, instead of to the RB every time? G owatch how Austin Collie is used by the Colts, then ask why we do not run anything remotely close to those patterns with our guys in the slot. And what really has happened to the pass to the RB in the flat this year? And when we have 3rd and 2 or less, why does Anae insist on running with JJ who does not convert those, instead of Kariya-who AWLAYS does. The problems with this offense, the play calling, the scheming are so numerous, it is a joke. Jake's stats are not great, but to put them all on him is just dumb, when you factor in drops, play calling, and lack of any game breaker on offense this year. Coach Anae is the problem here, without question.

Have you ever considered the fact that the reason they don't open it up down field is because they've already seen what happens?



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Cougarbib2 wrote:
Facts- deal with reality Heaps Lovers. BTW, I love Heaps, but he should have been redshifted and rascals is not ready. Nelson was better at the time and would be still. But Heaps may be great later. But let him prove it rather than assuming it.



It is also nonsense to have a few of you keep whining that he did not get enough reps in camp to be even decent, let alone great.



This is going to sting a little, but look 40 miles north and a year back. I don't recall if Wynn graduated early and even got to participate in Spring ball, but think he may have. Even if he did, he was not chosen then. Heaps got as many or more snaps. In summer Heaps got at least as much informal opportunity to work out as Wynn. What did he do with that opportunity and why were there work ethic and entitlement rumblings. In Fall Wynn was not selected. Heaps got more snaps than Nelson. Heaps got half reps game 1 thru 3 and 4 starts before Wynn got a start. And Wynn was pretty decent from that point forward. That is what great freshman QBs do.



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