Comparing Heaps to other Freshman QBs

Cougarbib2 wrote:
This is going to sting a little, but look 40 miles north and a year back. I don't recall if Wynn graduated early and even got to participate in Spring ball, but think he may have. Even if he did, he was not chosen then. Heaps got as many or more snaps. In summer Heaps got at least as much informal opportunity to work out as Wynn. What did he do with that opportunity and why were there work ethic and entitlement rumblings. In Fall Wynn was not selected. Heaps got more snaps than Nelson. Heaps got half reps game 1 thru 3 and 4 starts before Wynn got a start. And Wynn was pretty decent from that point forward. That is what great freshman QBs do.



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Wynn did graduate early and did participate in spring ball. But he was third behind Louks and Cain coming out of the spring.

snoscythe wrote:
It's funny how one of the questions repeatedly asked in Fall camp by the Heapsists was "why do the receivers drop Jake's passes and no one else's?"



Fast-forward three months, and now they want to argue that the receivers would drop anyone's passes and it has nothing to do with Jake. :roll: Not to mention they want to recalculate his PER each week with all the receptions they deem drops, yet they conveniently omit dropped would-be-interceptions by defenders.



Pretty soon we'll have to start calling him Jake DuPont for his Teflon-like qualities....



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I wasn't following practice discussions about dropped passes. Can you link me to some of them? I agree that there is something different about the way that Heaps throws the balls that makes it difficult for our receivers to catch (or maybe it's a conspiracy against Heaps...). I was basing my opinion more on the fact that Jacobson and Ashworth didn't have as many (if any) drops last season or their freshman seasons. If this did happen in practice, why didn't anyone on the coaching staff notice? Seems like they dropped the ball again...

They did notice and that is why Heaps was not named the starter. THey apparenlty believed that if they worked h im in gradually, timing and touch would improve. I think accuracy was there in practice - based on what people posted who attended practice. They liked the looks of Heaps throws. But on the field, he struggles and it is painful for me ot watch. I still think he will improve through hard work eventually. It is just going to take a while. And maybe it will just click in the next game du eto level of competition.



The coaches take heat for everything. Some on here really think it was a mistake to pull Jake in the Air Force game. Personally, I think they did it to protect Heaps physically and mentally because Air Force was in the backfield all day and the OL just could not block them an dthe inexperienced fullbacks were not able to pick it up.



I don't think may true freshmen would survive that kind of a defensive attack at AFA and FSU without getting a little shell shocked. FSU was brutal too, and unfortunatley, they had to let him take th epounding for almost the entire game.



SInce then, protectoin has been improving as the wuality of the opposing defense lessened, but the throwing has not improved much.



Since the Air Force and FSU games - The O/L improved. The fullbacks are greatly improved. Ashworth finaly improved. Kariya and JJ have remained solid and improved slightly. THe tight ends have not improved and th eother receivers have not improved. Heaps, in my opinion has not improvbed noticeably.



Bronco describes the offensive improvement as brick by brick. I am surprised he didn't say line upon line and precept upon precept, but the improvement of the offense is there bu you need a microscope to see it.



It is not because Jake Heaps is horrible. It is because he is a true freshman that was not so incredible that he could overcome being a true freshman with a weaker than usual supporting cast. But when the receivers who caught 55% of the passes last year have returned, and suddenly are dropping a bunch of passes - you gotta hang some of that sudden backwards motion on the guy throwing the passes - especially when he is throwing erratically regarding when the ball comes out and where it goes.



But O'Neil sure lost some followers who were still waiting for his magic show when he pointed the finger at Heaps. I am not condoning him doing that. I am just pointing out how sacred Jake Heaps is to a couple of posters on here.



I love Jake Heaps. He is a freshman. I understand that it takes time. I wish he had been given more time. I understand why the coaches can't and haven't given him more time. I understand why the coaches are protecting him by running and limiting the passing game. I hope his breakout performance comes in 9 days. But, meanwhile, can we quit assasinating everyone else.

Bluma wrote:

It's funny how one of the questions repeatedly asked in Fall camp by the Heapsists was "why do the receivers drop Jake's passes and no one else's?"



Fast-forward three months, and now they want to argue that the receivers would drop anyone's passes and it has nothing to do with Jake. :roll: Not to mention they want to recalculate his PER each week with all the receptions they deem drops, yet they conveniently omit dropped would-be-interceptions by defenders.



Pretty soon we'll have to start calling him Jake DuPont for his Teflon-like qualities....



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I wasn't following practice discussions about dropped passes. Can you link me to some of them? I agree that there is something different about the way that Heaps throws the balls that makes it difficult for our receivers to catch (or maybe it's a conspiracy against Heaps...). I was basing my opinion more on the fact that Jacobson and Ashworth didn't have as many (if any) drops last season or their freshman seasons. If this did happen in practice, why didn't anyone on the coaching staff notice? Seems like they dropped the ball again...

Here's one--http://cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4087&start=10#p33792



Use the search tool and you can find plenty of opinions during Fall Camp as to why Heaps' passes are dropped, but not Nelson's.

Lawboy wrote:
If you can not see the problems with this offense and play calling with this scheme, you either do not know football or you have your head in the sand. The passing scheme is AWFUL. The receivers are not being put in enough positions to make plays, the TE's certainly are not, and thus, the QB is not. The pass patterns we run are worse than Crowton's right now. Dink and dunk is fine, but why not try doing it over the middle some with a WR or TE, instead of to the RB every time? G owatch how Austin Collie is used by the Colts, then ask why we do not run anything remotely close to those patterns with our guys in the slot. And what really has happened to the pass to the RB in the flat this year? And when we have 3rd and 2 or less, why does Anae insist on running with JJ who does not convert those, instead of Kariya-who AWLAYS does. The problems with this offense, the play calling, the scheming are so numerous, it is a joke. Jake's stats are not great, but to put them all on him is just dumb, when you factor in drops, play calling, and lack of any game breaker on offense this year. Coach Anae is the problem here, without question.

Amen.



12 yards.

Cougarbib2 wrote:
Facts- deal with reality Heaps Lovers. BTW, I love Heaps, but he should have been redshifted and he was and is not ready. Nelson was better at the time and would be still. But Heaps may be great later. But let him prove it rather than assuming it.



It is also nonsense to have a few of you keep whining that he did not get enough reps in camp to be even decent, let alone great.



This is going to sting a little, but look 40 miles north and a year back. I don't recall if Wynn graduated early and even got to participate in Spring ball, but think he may have. Even if he did, he was not chosen then. Heaps got as many or more snaps. In summer Heaps got at least as much informal opportunity to work out as Wynn. What did he do with that opportunity and why were there work ethic and entitlement rumblings. In Fall Wynn was not selected. Heaps got more snaps than Nelson. Heaps got half reps game 1 thru 3 and 4 starts before Wynn got a start. And Wynn was pretty decent from that point forward. That is what great freshman QBs do.



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I love oversimplification! It makes adversity so much easier to swallow...particularly when the offense has comprehensive problems, and yet, our only take home is that Heaps is not ready or is a terrible freshman quarterback.



So what is the difference between Wynn and Heaps? Apparently it is that one is a good freshman quarterback and the other is not.



Nice...I think I am going to go have a Heaping bowl of fruit loops now.



12 yards.

Cougarbib2 wrote:
They did notice and that is why Heaps was not named the starter. THey apparenlty believed that if they worked h im in gradually, timing and touch would improve. I think accuracy was there in practice - based on what people posted who attended practice. They liked the looks of Heaps throws. But on the field, he struggles and it is painful for me ot watch. I still think he will improve through hard work eventually. It is just going to take a while. And maybe it will just click in the next game du eto level of competition.



The coaches take heat for everything. Some on here really think it was a mistake to pull Jake in the Air Force game. Personally, I think they did it to protect Heaps physically and mentally because Air Force was in the backfield all day and the OL just could not block them an dthe inexperienced fullbacks were not able to pick it up.



I don't think may true freshmen would survive that kind of a defensive attack at AFA and FSU without getting a little shell shocked. FSU was brutal too, and unfortunatley, they had to let him take th epounding for almost the entire game.



SInce then, protectoin has been improving as the wuality of the opposing defense lessened, but the throwing has not improved much.



Since the Air Force and FSU games - The O/L improved. The fullbacks are greatly improved. Ashworth finaly improved. Kariya and JJ have remained solid and improved slightly. THe tight ends have not improved and th eother receivers have not improved. Heaps, in my opinion has not improvbed noticeably.



Bronco describes the offensive improvement as brick by brick. I am surprised he didn't say line upon line and precept upon precept, but the improvement of the offense is there bu you need a microscope to see it.



It is not because Jake Heaps is horrible. It is because he is a true freshman that was not so incredible that he could overcome being a true freshman with a weaker than usual supporting cast. But when the receivers who caught 55% of the passes last year have returned, and suddenly are dropping a bunch of passes - you gotta hang some of that sudden backwards motion on the guy throwing the passes - especially when he is throwing erratically regarding when the ball comes out and where it goes.



But O'Neil sure lost some followers who were still waiting for his magic show when he pointed the finger at Heaps. I am not condoning him doing that. I am just pointing out how sacred Jake Heaps is to a couple of posters on here.



I love Jake Heaps. He is a freshman. I understand that it takes time. I wish he had been given more time. I understand why the coaches can't and haven't given him more time. I understand why the coaches are protecting him by running and limiting the passing game. I hope his breakout performance comes in 9 days. But, meanwhile, can we quit assasinating everyone else.

I think it is fairly common knowledge that Doman wanted Heaps to start and be the full-time guy, while Anae wanted Nelson to start and be the full-time guy. If anything, that Heaps was going to get half of the playing time would indicate the coaches felt he was as prepared or better than Nelson.



12 yards.

The funny thing is, I like Jake Heaps. I think he is very talented and has the potential to be very good, but to the Heaps worshippers, if you recognize that he isn't playing well, you are a Heaps hater. If you don't blame everyone on the offensive side of the ball for his failures but him, you are a Heaps hater. Frankly, I think right now Heaps confidence is shot. I think that what I had feared would happen with him by starting before he is ready has happened. His best game this year statistically was the Washington game and he has played progressively worse ever since that game. IMO, he needs to start vs UNLV and if he keeps playing like he is currently playing (missing guys that any average QB would be hitting consistantly in his sleep) he should be benched. I can't imagine that our back up's would be this bad. Lark has been in this system for nearly 3 years, the only thing he needed was to shake off the mission rust and I am sure that has happened by now. If Heaps has a PER of 100 or less (He should be in the 120's in the very least against UNLV) then he just isn't getting it done and needs to ride the bench until they can work his confidence back up. I think that if the coaches weren't already trying to protect his confidence, he would have already been benched.

frdbtr wrote:
The funny thing is, I like Jake Heaps. I think he is very talented and has the potential to be very good, but to the Heaps worshippers, if you recognize that he isn't playing well, you are a Heaps hater. If you don't blame everyone on the offensive side of the ball for his failures but him, you are a Heaps hater. Frankly, I think right now Heaps confidence is shot. I think that what I had feared would happen with him by starting before he is ready has happened. His best game this year statistically was the Washington game and he has played progressively worse ever since that game. IMO, he needs to start vs UNLV and if he keeps playing like he is currently playing (missing guys that any average QB would be hitting consistantly in his sleep) he should be benched. I can't imagine that our back up's would be this bad. Lark has been in this system for nearly 3 years, the only thing he needed was to shake off the mission rust and I am sure that has happened by now. If Heaps has a PER of 100 or less (He should be in the 120's in the very least against UNLV) then he just isn't getting it done and needs to ride the bench until they can work his confidence back up. I think that if the coaches weren't already trying to protect his confidence, he would have already been benched.

I think this is a sensible post...and I do not disagree. I don't know that I am a sensitive Heaps supporter, per se...but I think the ultimate question is WHY is he struggling so much? Why would he progressively get worse?



I think what you hear from me and others is that we strongly believe this is a coaching issue. My guess is that you would agree with that.



It reminds me of Kirilenko...his first four year sin the league he was a 17 point, 8 rebound, 6 assist, 3 block, 3 steal performer. Then, in a period of one year, he went to 8 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks, 1 steal (or something like that). Do players just mystically lose their ability? No, of course not. That is a result of a coaching decision - specifically how to utilize the talent.



I realize basketball and football are different worlds. But it is hard for me to blame Heaps for not performing well in this train wreck of offensive strategy and coaching. So...while I acknowledge that his performance has been tough to watch at times, my honest assessment is that nothing is really going to improve for BYU until we deal with the coaching deficiency.



Or to restate...put Riley Nelson, Lark, or Munns in, and while you may see more short routes completed...I fear the end result will not be much different.



Again...12 yards. Inexcusable...and it is coaching.



I don't blame Heaps.

pjmuli wrote:
Do players just mystically lose their ability? No, of course not. That is a result of a coaching decision - specifically how to utilize the talent.



I realize basketball and football are different worlds. But it is hard for me to blame Heaps for not performing well in this train wreck of offensive strategy and coaching. So...while I acknowledge that his performance has been tough to watch at times, my honest assessment is that nothing is really going to improve for BYU until we deal with the coaching deficiency.



Or to restate...put Riley Nelson, Lark, or Munns in, and while you may see more short routes completed...I fear the end result will not be much different.



Again...12 yards. Inexcusable...and it is coaching.



I don't blame Heaps.

Exactly. I think too many think we are absolving Jake of issues here when what we are really trying to do is identify the root of the problem. Jake's poor play is a symptom of the problem--not THE problem. Jake being a freshman no quite ready is another factor. But I am sorry, if you are unwilling to see how poorly our scheme is utulizing the raw talent that we have this year(and how it dropped the ball many times over the last 5+ years), your head is in the sand. Robert Anae is a very poor in game play caller, and even worse at in game adjustments.



The offense needs a makeover similar to what teh defense just got. Same players--amazingly improved results. Only difference is the PLAY CALLING!

So with the best play calling in the world will heaps be able to make the open 5 yard passes hes been missing so far?



Play calling is an issue, but in part its reactionary to the Anae not trusting Jake to make the throws, because Jake has missed so many easy throws. Its a vicious cycle. And I agree it is more Anae's fault then Jake's but the kid has got to make the easy throws. There is no excuse for that.



Its no secret I have wanted to see Lark, but if you read my posts, I have not directly called for Jake to be benched, I want to see improvement. I gave him a pass on the TCU game, and was disappointed in the Wyoming game. If he doesn't show improvement against UNLV ( a terrible team, and we have an extra week to prepare) I will be calling for him to be benched out right. For me, its Jake's do or die time.

Lawboy wrote:

Do players just mystically lose their ability? No, of course not. That is a result of a coaching decision - specifically how to utilize the talent.



I realize basketball and football are different worlds. But it is hard for me to blame Heaps for not performing well in this train wreck of offensive strategy and coaching. So...while I acknowledge that his performance has been tough to watch at times, my honest assessment is that nothing is really going to improve for BYU until we deal with the coaching deficiency.



Or to restate...put Riley Nelson, Lark, or Munns in, and while you may see more short routes completed...I fear the end result will not be much different.



Again...12 yards. Inexcusable...and it is coaching.



I don't blame Heaps.

Exactly. I think too many think we are absolving Jake of issues here when what we are really trying to do is identify the root of the problem. Jake's poor play is a symptom of the problem--not THE problem. Jake being a freshman no quite ready is another factor. But I am sorry, if you are unwilling to see how poorly our scheme is utulizing the raw talent that we have this year(and how it dropped the ball many times over the last 5+ years), your head is in the sand. Robert Anae is a very poor in game play caller, and even worse at in game adjustments.



The offense needs a makeover similar to what teh defense just got. Same players--amazingly improved results. Only difference is the PLAY CALLING!

Amen!

fifthqb wrote:
So with the best play calling in the world will heaps be able to make the open 5 yard passes hes been missing so far?



Play calling is an issue, but in part its reactionary to the Anae not trusting Jake to make the throws, because Jake has missed so many easy throws. Its a vicious cycle. And I agree it is more Anae's fault then Jake's but the kid has got to make the easy throws. There is no excuse for that.



Its no secret I have wanted to see Lark, but if you read my posts, I have not directly called for Jake to be benched, I want to see improvement. I gave him a pass on the TCU game, and was disappointed in the Wyoming game. If he doesn't show improvement against UNLV ( a terrible team, and we have an extra week to prepare) I will be calling for him to be benched out right. For me, its Jake's do or die time.

sometimes i wish that they would just put lark in just to let you see how well any other qb would do in the circumstances the coaches have put these players in. There is not a qb on earth that would thrive in the mess our coaches have created this year. unbelievable incompetence in my opinion.

I agree with Johnny - put Lark in for a series or two and let's see. I agree Johnny.



I won't call anybody out by name, but it seems like three of Jake's sisters are posting on here. It is not play calling when Hague is wide open and Heaps grossly underthrows him getting a pick 6. That is not play calling. That is a freshman QB that is jumpy and jittery even though pass protection was outstanding in the Wyoming game, and it is no more or less than that. Same thing when a receiver is wide open in a crossing pattern and Haps throws high and behind him. That is not play calling.



I am not and have never said Heaps is the entire problem. But someone on this thread was nice to point out to the Heaps family on this thread that the receivers that caught 55% of the passes last year are still on the team and suddenly, they are dropping passes. These are not the world's best receivers, but they have proven that they can catch passes against D1 defenses.



You talk about a basketball player that lost his proven ability and point at coaching. You may be right.



Heaps has not lost his proven ability. That is the problem with you folks. He does not have any proven D1 ability. He never proved anything on the field at D1 level. He was mediocre at best against UW and then when he got smacked by the AFA and UW defenses with an OL and fullbacks that did not protect - that took him downhill, from whence he has not recovered.



USU, Nevada, SDSU, Wyoming, and now UNLV were supposed to be easier defenses - the kind a freshman might have some success against. Unfortunately, Heaps had already been hammered before we got to those games and even Vs USU the pass protection was spotty. But it was far better after FSU, and Heaps has not improved.



With two weeks off, two weeks to prepare, and facing UNLV - if Heaps does not put up decent (I did not say perfect or phenomenal) numbers - it is time to give Lark a shake.



I have no way to know and we may never get to see, but I would bet lunch at Applebees, that Lark would be more accurate right now than Heaps - assuming the pass protection continues to be there - because he didn't get hammered when it wasn't there and get all jumpy.



I still think Heaps should start, even having said that, but if he comes out missing wide open receivers and throwing pick 6s and not spotting wide open receivers and throwing behind and above receivers - time to take a look see with Lark.



Or, if we get way ahead - time to develop a back-up QB. We might need one at Utah because the starter will see defensive pressure at least as much as TCU, FSU, and AFA threw at us. Hopefully we will handle it better with the improved blocking - but I worry about Heaps taking a hard hit vs Utah.



Any of our opponents that have the ability will stop the run and force Haps to beat them with his arm. UNLV will not be able to stop the run, so expect to see a lot of it - but when Heaps gets to drop back and throw a crossing pattern or to a back out of the backfield, or heaven forbid, a tight end or wide out - he needs to hit 60%+ with the ball where it is supposed to be, with decent touch and timing.



I don't see any reason why he should not be able to do that Vs UNLV at home after two weeks to prepare.



So now let's hear from his sisters: But can each of you tell us what you expect Heaps to do a week from tomorrow before you would finally say - give him a break and try something else. Let's say he only gets 12 yards in the first half - Oh - I forgot that will be someone else's fault - entirely.



Go Cougs

jonnylingo wrote:

So with the best play calling in the world will heaps be able to make the open 5 yard passes hes been missing so far?



Play calling is an issue, but in part its reactionary to the Anae not trusting Jake to make the throws, because Jake has missed so many easy throws. Its a vicious cycle. And I agree it is more Anae's fault then Jake's but the kid has got to make the easy throws. There is no excuse for that.



Its no secret I have wanted to see Lark, but if you read my posts, I have not directly called for Jake to be benched, I want to see improvement. I gave him a pass on the TCU game, and was disappointed in the Wyoming game. If he doesn't show improvement against UNLV ( a terrible team, and we have an extra week to prepare) I will be calling for him to be benched out right. For me, its Jake's do or die time.

sometimes i wish that they would just put lark in just to let you see how well any other qb would do in the circumstances the coaches have put these players in. There is not a qb on earth that would thrive in the mess our coaches have created this year. unbelievable incompetence in my opinion.

I agree, I don't think any quarterback will thrive at BYU this year. However, there is a huge amount of gray area between thriving and Jake's play right now. To say that no other quarterback on our roster could make the throws that Jake is missing is quite the knock on our program. I have written out my opinions on his leadership and performance in the past and won't do so again. I would love nothing more then to see him come out firing next Saturday and put up a 3 td game with no interceptions because our team desperately needs some inspiring play from the quarterback position. However, if there is no improvement you lose nothing by giving Lark a look, and potentially could find a spark on offense.

jonnylingo wrote:

So with the best play calling in the world will heaps be able to make the open 5 yard passes hes been missing so far?



Play calling is an issue, but in part its reactionary to the Anae not trusting Jake to make the throws, because Jake has missed so many easy throws. Its a vicious cycle. And I agree it is more Anae's fault then Jake's but the kid has got to make the easy throws. There is no excuse for that.



Its no secret I have wanted to see Lark, but if you read my posts, I have not directly called for Jake to be benched, I want to see improvement. I gave him a pass on the TCU game, and was disappointed in the Wyoming game. If he doesn't show improvement against UNLV ( a terrible team, and we have an extra week to prepare) I will be calling for him to be benched out right. For me, its Jake's do or die time.

sometimes i wish that they would just put lark in just to let you see how well any other qb would do in the circumstances the coaches have put these players in. There is not a qb on earth that would thrive in the mess our coaches have created this year. unbelievable incompetence in my opinion.

There is no way I buy this. If BYU had a qb that was a leader (and BYU might not have a strong leader for a QB right now) that would make a huge difference on offense immediately . I don't expect Jake to have perfect games, but I need to see someone take over the offense right now.

I think that's all most of us who aren't sold on Heaps right now are saying. Just give us visual confirmation that he's our best option right now. Throw Lark in for a couple series and see how he does. If he's as bad, throw Munns in. If he's as bad, let Jake keep on keepin' on.

cougman wrote:
I think that's all most of us who aren't sold on Heaps right now are saying. Just give us visual confirmation that he's our best option right now. Throw Lark in for a couple series and see how he does. If he's as bad, throw Munns in. If he's as bad, let Jake keep on keepin' on.

...And complete the downward slide that is 2010 to near epic, total, and embarrassing chaos and failure. THis idea is so Crowton-esque it has at least one termination written all over it (Anae), and maybe--should be--more.

hmmm, i wonder if Detmer had been benched his freshman year with all of his picks and offensive inefficiency, and pinpointed as the root cause, what would have become of him?



And since some of you want to make this personal and the mods are allowing it (because they agree with your opinion on Heaps) what does that make some of you who are resorting to jr high name calling (not attacking cougman, bc his lacked an attack)? should I create some options or just let this 35 mile-an-hour weak pitch in the dirt be just that.

HOw about a "lets stick to the issue and voicing your opinions void of attacks"?

C'mon gents, CC is a good thing and deserves better than now resorting to calling out not just Jake (he's fair game) but making chauvinist remarks and objectifying Jake's little sisters.

Cougarbib2 wrote:
I agree with Johnny - put Lark in for a series or two and let's see. I agree Johnny.





I am not and have never said Heaps is the entire problem. But someone on this thread was nice to point out to the Heaps family on this thread that the receivers that caught 55% of the passes last year are still on the team and suddenly, they are dropping passes. These are not the world's best receivers, but they have proven that they can catch passesagainst D1 defenses.



So now let's hear from his sisters: But can each of you tell us what you expect Heaps to do a week from tomorrow before you would finally say - give him a break and try something else. Let's say he only gets 12 yards in the first half - Oh - I forgot that will be someone else's fault - entirely.

So this would make you Coach HIggins brother? Higgins little-league coach? Maybe Ashworth's father. How about Jacobson's god-father? ;-)



Yes, lets give him a break and try something else--like throw Marshall in there for a few plays; like run the crap out of the ball since they are so good at it--which the stats have shown.

How about a new OC? Or a Bronco makeover? Those would be new--except on defense where that worked wonders--oh and last week after the WR got their butts chewed.

Im not entirely opposed to Lark. (I am with Munns--Hes slow, fat and out of shape). BUt what to do when (or I should probably say IF) Lark fails as bad, what are the downsides? Maybe some of you are right. we have little else to lose at this point.

But from what I have seen of Entropy (Law of Entropy--the tendency of "things" to grow toward increasing amounts of disorder and chaos) in systems and teams on the verge of disaster--throw in more chaos, uncertainty, and higher than average chance at failure with Lark, and this thing comes completely unraveled and even the rats start jumping ship, not to mention any potential recruit who sees the chaos and what this program can do to even, (yes, i'm saying it because most of these kids all value it as much as Jake did) a 5 star recruit.

I wonder what the potential recruits think about the fans calling to have half the coaches fired and half the players benched. I wonder what a potential recruit would think about this team if the starting QB plays this poorly and none of the other stud recruits are good enough to even get a look after 8 games. The recruits hopefully have more confidence in the coaches than some of you have or there will be no recruits. Most recruits of any note don't sign up somewhere for a crap shoot on who will actually be coaching them.