What Will We See vs UNLV :-)

BlueIsBetter wrote:

WHo would you vote for Cougy - please only vote for candidates that want the job - and are likely to do a better job

Doman

Detmer

just about anyone from the TCU staff

just about anyone from the :utard: s staff

just about anyone from SDSU s team,

Chad Lewis



Elmo

The Fonz

The "Time to make the Donuts" guy



there are other candidates too, and any of them would beat out Anae for the OC and TE position. And on a serious note, anyone getting paid 70,000 a year would jump at a chance to make 200,000 a year and continue coaching a game for a living rather than join up in corporate america. Are you even serious?

Cougarbib2 wrote:
Ok Blue is Blue - since you called me out again - and I am not complaining but I could see how others you attacked above would be justified in doing so - this is why I made a comment a few weeks ago about your posts not flowing logically and took a 3 day or so suspension for doing so even though it was in response to you calling me out. Take this response as just an answer to the question you just raised so you understand what I meant so you don't have to go off on a rant about your first and second language and linguistic skills. The comment was not just about linguistic skills although that post did have some gibberish instructions to someone else at the end from which I was supposed to somehow understand that we were all meant to only post on that thread to sign up to your petition and that absolutely no dissenting views were allowed. Narrow - don't you think? Controlling – maybe? How is your petition going? Will Anae be gone next week?



But let's take some specifics. Can you focus on the specific questions you are asked and read the entire answers people give you? It might improve the dialogue.



Your basketball analogy is a great one. It fits this BYU team perfectly. And, most likely, overly emotional fans, logic failing them in that case too, blamed it all on bad coaching and bad play calling. That is the type of logical fallacy I alluded to. Good example - well written in your native tongue - illogical conclusion from it or in this case, incomplete conclusion. Here is a better conclusion from your analogy:



BYU is bad because so many stars fell from the heavens all at once. Period! It will take a long time to fix it. Get used to it and quit looking for simple solutions. There are not any.



Then you carefully explain how Anae needs to play call around Heaps limitations, with which we all totally agree – you would see that we agree if you read our posts with understanding instead of emotion - so why are we arguing - anyway I agree and Fried Butter clearly does, and Declo clearly does, Blue 42 seems to - but then you go off on the above posters who are saying just that same thing in a different way. We all agree - Heaps is playing poorly and we should run run run most of the time and mix in a little play action to keep defenses honest. The pick 6 was an attempt to mix in a little play action. What do you want Anae to do - alternate plays so you can call him predictable.



Did you see Utah run 7 times in a row with the very same guy on Air Force, then ask Wynn who only has about 4 more starts than Heaps, to complete one play action pass for 5 yards against a very good defense. Somehow Wynn remembered how to throw an accurate pass after (run, run, run, run, run, run, run). Heaps didn’t. Then Utah ran 5 more times (run, run, run, run, run) straight with their other running back and scored. Yes Wynn threw a pick in that game. One pick and it was not a pick 6. He also threw for a TD and had 150 yards in his worst game of the year. Heaps best game has been worse than Wynn's worst game. But Heaps is a freshman. So, we agree, we have to play in a way that protects Heaps. We are doing just that but several fans are not happy because they want to open the entire playbook and turn Heaps loose. Go argue with those guys. They actually disagree with you. I will take your side in that argument. Heaps is not ready to take the entire playbook. We (you, me, Declo, Blue 42, and Butter) all agree. Heaps is human. We all agree. It will take a lot of time for him to get to the Heisman Candidate point like it does almost everyone else - no matter who is coaching. And yes, our coaches have shortcomings and limitations that are part of the problem and our receivers do as well.



Every time someone brings up the interception pick 6 that most objective articles I have seen printed by a sportswriter - make that all that I have seen - call a horrible pass or a horrible decision - you go off on some vague rant about pass pass pass after running all half or receivers not getting separation, or receivers dropping passes, etc. In this specific case, as has been mostly typical for Heaps so far, the receiver was plenty open, not well defended at all, it was not a disguised defense where a defender was in an unexpected position, and Heaps grossly underthrew a ball that should have been erred on the long side not the short side if he can't throw it where it should be. Throw that ball too deep and it is just another incompletion (and if the receiver gets a few fingers on it - some of you can call it a drop). Throw it away if you hear footsteps - out of bounds would be fine as it was near the sideline, and you have an incompletion instead of a sack. But why you went off about a potential sack is part of the illogical and incoherent part, because he was under absolutely no pressure when he made that throw and had little pressure all game vs Wyoming and most of the game vs SDSU.



If you don't want to start your morning off by arguing all day - well you failed that already - quit arguing with people that actually agree with you and quit posting irrelevant generalized crap that they won’t agree with and explain why a QB that has had run run run all half, which isn't quite true, but go with it any way, forgets how to hit a wide open receiver when he is asked to throw a straight forward pass and not only misses the receiver but underthrows the receiver badly when it is clearly expected that said receiver will be covered underneath - when said receiver has SEPARATED NICELY and is well behind the defender. Next time, have Heaps, who according to rumor makes these throws routinely in practice and made them routinely in high school, throw it slightly ahead of the receiver, with a little arch on it to get over the defender, and watch the receiver either drop it for an incompletion or catch it in stride and take it to the house. That pass should have gone for 6 - but 6 for us not them.



And if Heaps wants to get the old, slow, veterans to see him as a leader – dive at the guys ankles instead of looking scared stiff and saying We made a bad play and hoping someone else tackles him. That is what leaders are made of. Don’t smash him head on and risk injury – just dive at his ankles.



Enjoy the rest of your day and no need to post a bunch of stuff that does not specifically answer the points raised by me and the others mentioned in this post - otherwise you will waste your morning arguing all day. PS it is morning in Hawaii in case you think I don't know it may not still be morning wherever you are.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

BlueIsBetter wrote:
My credibility is shot? Well, if you think I have no credibility I actually take that as a compliment. Much the same as Cougarbib posting that my threads are too long and make no sense, it just makes you look double clueless. I didn't think that you knew so little about football that I would actually need to explain things to you in this much detail, but here we go: I will explain it to you in terms of basketball. You do know what a double team is, don't you? Do I need to explain that? ... Just checking. So how many open shots do you think that Mike Miller is going to get this year (I know he is injured for another month... bear with me) with LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and Chris Bosh on the team? Now take them off the roster, and you have a bunch of unproven rookies and old guys playing for the league minimum: Joel Anthony, Carlos Arroyo, Mario Chalmers, Udonis Haslem, Eddie House, Juwan Howard, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, James Jones, Jamaal Magloire, and Dexter Pittman. How many open, uncontested shots is he going to get as the starting shooting guard on this roster? When you are double-teaming several players, it isn't that hard for other ones to get open, is it? That Max didn't throw to them MORE actually proves my point more than yours. Did you really think that their success last year only having to walk a few steps and catch it wide open was going to translate to this year? When we don't have a WR worth double teaming in any regards. As far as them not catching the ball, I would wager that the fact they have no separation, and there is a man right there to hit them, would have something to do with that. It certainly is the case for McKay "footsteps" Jacobsen? I'm not sure about the rest, but a wide-open jumpshot is a lot different than a hand in your face closely contested jumpshot. Make sense?

So, I make a football comparison saying that BYU's recievers weren't dropping Max Hall's throws last year, you come back and say that was because he was not really throwing to them but was forcing balls into Pitta who was triple teamed all year, I prove that theory is complete horse manure, and then you come back with a basketball analogy that has nothing to do with my original statement? Come on, you are digging yourself deeper. Not all of the drops are the recievers fault but not all of them are Heaps fault either. The play calling has been bad but Heaps has also thrown some crap balls. BYU averaged over 30 pts per game over the last 5 years and now they are averaging around 16 points per game, the previous 5 years was not all credit to Anae, or to Hall and Beck but was a combination of both. Just like this years offensive anemia is not all on Anae but is a combination of poor play on the players part and partly bad play calling. Coming on here to try and explain BYU's offensive woes with a basketball analogy is ridiculous.

Allright let's take the emotion out of this. This:

Not all of the drops are the recievers fault but not all of them are Heaps fault either. The play calling has been bad but Heaps has also thrown some crap balls. BYU averaged over 30 pts per game over the last 5 years and now they are averaging around 16 points per game, the previous 5 years was not all credit to Anae, or to Hall and Beck but was a combination of both. Just like this years offensive anemia is not all on Anae but is a combination of poor play on the players part and partly bad play calling.

is all I or any "Heaps Apologists" are trying to say. The blame lies in a lot of different areas, what I am concerned about is how to address the sitaution. Should we just bench our quarterback, or is it the playcallings fault? I contend that any quarterback could succeed in Jake's place with coaching, and talent around him being considered. That's all. Officially done now. And I think my bball analogy was pretty valid. You should read it again after you have had a drink of water and maybe some cookies.

Cougy_Monster wrote:
Your post makes sense, which is why it won't happen with Anae calling the shots. I have absolutely no confidence in Anae's ability to lead our offense. I wish I could vote for a new OC on Tuesday.

Mars wrote:
Honestly, BlueIsBetter, I often wonder how you seem to understand things so darn well and how certain other posters seem to be so obtuse and in-the-dark about everything. I love what you have to say bud.