Hearing rumors on how it went down....

I think BYU has no choice but to kick out of school under the following:



1) felony

2) DUI, even if pleaded down to misdemeanor

3) same sex activity

4) someone gets pregnant.



If a girl got pregnant, then the punishment fits the act. As members of the church, we are taught about the creative power and its sacredness. And BYU is not a place for that to happen out of wedlock.



I still take issue with aspects of process, however. I see value in the HC, but my protestations are always with the processes and applications, at times.

saywhat wrote:
I hope everyone remembers that this is a 19 year old boy who, no matter what he did and what he signed, should NOT have to go through this type of public thrashing! This is wrong! I don't think many adults could handle this situation. If you would be willing to stand in public and let all your dirty laundry be aired, then by all means, keep tearing down and speculating.

Ummm I haven't read anyone thrashing him, everyone seems to understand kids make mistakes, and they feel bad for davies, the team, his parents, the school, etc .... he is in the public eye whether he likes it or not. People will talk, thats just how life is. I have read nothing mean spirited or condemning about him at all. If I was on the #3 ranked team in the country and I was kicked off I would assume people would be talking about it. Be realistic.

Lawboy wrote:
I think BYU has no choice but to kick out of school under the following:



1) felony

2) DUI, even if pleaded down to misdemeanor

3) same sex activity

4) someone gets pregnant.



If a girl got pregnant, then the punishment fits the act. As members of the church, we are taught about the creative power and its sacredness. And BYU is not a place for that to happen out of wedlock.



I still take issue with aspects of process, however. I see value in the HC, but my protestations are always with the processes and applications, at times.

Especially if you combine your 3 and 4... bad things should come to those people. ;)

kfilly20 wrote:

I hope everyone remembers that this is a 19 year old boy who, no matter what he did and what he signed, should NOT have to go through this type of public thrashing! This is wrong! I don't think many adults could handle this situation. If you would be willing to stand in public and let all your dirty laundry be aired, then by all means, keep tearing down and speculating.

Ummm I haven't read anyone thrashing him, everyone seems to understand kids make mistakes, and they feel bad for davies, the team, his parents, the school, etc .... he is in the public eye whether he likes it or not. People will talk, thats just how life is. I have read nothing mean spirited or condemning about him at all. If I was on the #3 ranked team in the country and I was kicked off I would assume people would be talking about it. Be realistic.

Really, so you would be willing to stand in his shoes right now, and still tell me this is ok?

Lawboy wrote:
I think BYU has no choice but to kick out of school under the following:



1) felony

2) DUI, even if pleaded down to misdemeanor

3) same sex activity

4) someone gets pregnant.



If a girl got pregnant, then the punishment fits the act. As members of the church, we are taught about the creative power and its sacredness. And BYU is not a place for that to happen out of wedlock.



I still take issue with aspects of process, however. I see value in the HC, but my protestations are always with the processes and applications, at times.

So you won't get kicked out of school for having sex as long as you have hetero sex, use protection, or variations of sexual conduct such as, levi love, floating, camel toe junction, oral? Pregnancy as a guideline for getting kicked out is silly. The act that causes the pregnancy is the sin not the pregnancy itself. Pregnancy is not a punishment either...There are some of us where getting pregnant was a real struggle and is a blessing not a punishment. Don't send the wrong idea out about it.



The reason for getting kicked out is determined on a case by case basis. Nothing more nothing less. Whatever is best for the individual, not what is best for the fans, the family, the girlfriend, the victim...

kiwibacon wrote:

I think BYU has no choice but to kick out of school under the following:



1) felony

2) DUI, even if pleaded down to misdemeanor

3) same sex activity

4) someone gets pregnant.



If a girl got pregnant, then the punishment fits the act. As members of the church, we are taught about the creative power and its sacredness. And BYU is not a place for that to happen out of wedlock.



I still take issue with aspects of process, however. I see value in the HC, but my protestations are always with the processes and applications, at times.

So you won't get kicked out of school for having sex as long as you have hetero sex, use protection, or variations of sexual conduct such as, levi love, floating, camel toe junction, oral? Pregnancy as a guideline for getting kicked out is silly. The act that causes the pregnancy is the sin not the pregnancy itself. Pregnancy is not a punishment either...There are some of us where getting pregnant was a real struggle and is a blessing not a punishment. Don't send the wrong idea out about it.



The reason for getting kicked out is determined on a case by case basis. Nothing more nothing less. Whatever is best for the individual, not what is best for the fans, the family, the girlfriend, the victim...

I do not know if it is accurate, but I heard that a young man cannot serve a mission if he has gotten a girl pregnant. IN other words, that might be a line-in-the-sand positoin not to be crossed even though I agree with you that the sin is the sexual activity and the pregnancy or other tings like an STD are consequences of that choice that was made.



I really like Brandon Davies. In fact, unlike last year, I really like every player on this team. I would be sorry for any of them to have made this mistake. The consequences are unfortunate. My earlier post just indicated that the consequence of public specualtion, will mean far less n the long term than the consequences of losing th end of this season, possibly next season, whatever comes of an un-planned pregnancy, etc., as those things will be tough and tough decisions will need to be made - some immediatley.



You never hear about Harvey Unga any more - until now. It blows over. I never even heard if he got married - or not - or whether the baby has been born or even if it was a future stud RB or a future women's basketball star. The less famous mothers are so often forgotten in these debates. Maybe that is fortunate - maybe not. They too matter.



May God bless all involved and through his Holy Spirit and their prayerfulness guide them to the right decisions.



And may the team focus on the game tonight. It is a really important one even in light of all of this turmoil and tragedy.

You can't serve a mission if you've gotten a girl pregnant because you then have an obligation to that child that prevents you from serving. You need to stay home and take care of family first.



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Correct Sno. By the way Harvey got married and is the proud father of a son, a future Cougar.

scott715 wrote:
Correct Sno. By the way Harvey got married and is the proud father of a son, a future Cougar.

I hope we get Davies back.

kiwibacon wrote:

I think BYU has no choice but to kick out of school under the following:



1) felony

2) DUI, even if pleaded down to misdemeanor

3) same sex activity

4) someone gets pregnant.



If a girl got pregnant, then the punishment fits the act. As members of the church, we are taught about the creative power and its sacredness. And BYU is not a place for that to happen out of wedlock.



I still take issue with aspects of process, however. I see value in the HC, but my protestations are always with the processes and applications, at times.

So you won't get kicked out of school for having sex as long as you have hetero sex, use protection, or variations of sexual conduct such as, levi love, floating, camel toe junction, oral? Pregnancy as a guideline for getting kicked out is silly. The act that causes the pregnancy is the sin not the pregnancy itself. Pregnancy is not a punishment either...There are some of us where getting pregnant was a real struggle and is a blessing not a punishment. Don't send the wrong idea out about it.



The reason for getting kicked out is determined on a case by case basis. Nothing more nothing less. Whatever is best for the individual, not what is best for the fans, the family, the girlfriend, the victim...

No, that is not what I worte. I wrote that hard and fast rules should exist for certain infractions. As to the rest, it is up to the ecclesiastical leader. Case by case as you say. But certain things rise to a different level. Consider them strict liability crimes.

saywhat wrote:

saywhat wrote:
I hope everyone remembers that this is a 19 year old boy who, no matter what he did and what he signed, should NOT have to go through this type of public thrashing! This is wrong! I don't think many adults could handle this situation. If you would be willing to stand in public and let all your dirty laundry be aired, then by all means, keep tearing down and speculating.

Ummm I haven't read anyone thrashing him, everyone seems to understand kids make mistakes, and they feel bad for davies, the team, his parents, the school, etc .... he is in the public eye whether he likes it or not. People will talk, thats just how life is. I have read nothing mean spirited or condemning about him at all. If I was on the #3 ranked team in the country and I was kicked off I would assume people would be talking about it. Be realistic.

Really, so you would be willing to stand in his shoes right now, and still tell me this is ok?

Yes I would. If I was in his position and did what he did. I would not be upset with people discussing it.

So what did he do?

He had premarital sex and his girlfriend is most likely pregnant

kfilly20 wrote:
He had premarital sex and his girlfriend is most likely pregnant

I still haven't seen this confirmed anywhere.

A source with close connection to the program has confirmed that BYU star Brandon Davies was dismissed after he admitted to having sexual relations with his girlfriend.

Here's a story from ESPN.Com



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Lawboy wrote:
Just heard a rumor from a source I trust with good inside contacts. Given me scoop on things before. So here goes:



Supposedly, this issue in question was one that Davies had with a female student at BYU. I do not know particulars. But the info is that Brandon had dealt with it with his bishop, and was continuing to deal with it. Not sure if the girl was as well. So things were handled as they are within the Church on all other issues--with your priesthood leader. That is, until a roommate of the girl in question went to the HC office and reported the incident--long after the fact. And it blew up from there.



IF this is true, it is the reason the HC, or aspects of it, need to be revised. Total BS. BYU holier than thou students. That is just not right.

This sounds about right - in complete alignment with the ESPN story. I'm disgusted with that female roommate!! What a self righteous tramp!!!

:angry:

Sister in law's ride to the MWC tourney spoke with Davies brother and said his GF is pregnant.



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Wadee, your source is wrong. Lawboy, from what I understand no roommate reporting to the HC is involved.