The way you will know that Bronco has faced the music

Cougy_Monster wrote:

It does seem that there are a lot of people that can't get over themelves and their expectations this year. CougarBlue is full of them. I don't know if it's just the general expectations coming into this season with a senior QB and proven TE/RB, or if a lot of it happened after the OU win, but either way too many people have been too harsh on the coaching staff and specific players - most of it unwarranted and baseless (to think that a month ago people were calling for Max Hall's head, and a few still are!).

I admit that after the OU game I thought "this will be our year," but I'll also admit I entered the season expecting 10-2 and hoping for 11-1; I just didn't expect BYU to beat OU, FSU, TCU and Utah. So I've just had to remind myself that we're right where I expected us to be. Losing to Utah would be a huge disappointment, but I don't see it happening yet.

Over the last few weeks, Bronco has made repeated references to the "ignorance" of fans, to their unreal expectations, to their undeserved criticism...even going so far as pointing out that the team enjoys the away games because they can get away from the critical fans. HOW SAD IS THAT?!?

I suppose I'd think that it's maybe a "new generation" thing expecting immediate gratification, but from the comments of many of you at games, it doesn't seem to be coming from the studentbody alone.

I agree that fans can be overcritical. I have my likes and dislikes about how things play out through the season (like our lack of offensive halftime adjustments), but I love Bronco's coaching style and I support the coaches and teams 100% and realize they are in the thick of things and I'm just watching from home.



I also think Bronco would benefit himself and the team by treading lightly when criticizing fans. I personally haven't heard or read him use the word "ignorant" when describing fans, and if he did it wouldn't bother me since I'm a blue-goggled homer and I've been a fan a long time and will be so long after the current coaches and players are gone. But, there are a lot of not-so-stalwart fans out there that still love the school and the team....and although they may be critical (and ignorant) I believe they are valuable to the team. The quickest way to alienate them is to call them ignorant or say the team likes away games where they can't show up.



Again, I can't say that I've heard Bronco being critical of the fans or liking away games, But, I do recall him recently saying how much he loved the large fan base that travels with the team since he views them as faithful die-hards. Maybe in that context he also was implying that the wishy-washy fans were left behind and that's a good thing.

UVACoug wrote:
I don't think Bronco said... that he prefers to play on the road...

Mars wrote:

I don't think Bronco said... that he prefers to play on the road...

Bronco didn't say that. Jan Jorgensen, Jaime Hill, and Brandon Bradley have said exactly that though. They don't like getting booed at home, they don't appreciate our fans when they are negative and the pressure they put on them, so they enjoy games outside of Provo more and look forward to leaving the state for road games.



They play like they get up better for road games this year as well. Some of our boys need to grow thicker skin, obviously. Jan has been a whiny baby in the media all year, sad to say. Still, I do like how they've looked on the road, and I do think that too many BYU fans are TOO negative. Not that I mind booing when it looks like the defense, offense, or coaches have quit on us in a game, like against FSU and TCU.

BoiseBYU wrote:
At a freakin' minimum let's get a special teams coach that puts special back in the equation.

UVACoug wrote:

cachevalleycougar wrote:
It does seem that there are a lot of people that can't get over themelves and their expectations this year. CougarBlue is full of them. I don't know if it's just the general expectations coming into this season with a senior QB and proven TE/RB, or if a lot of it happened after the OU win, but either way too many people have been too harsh on the coaching staff and specific players - most of it unwarranted and baseless (to think that a month ago people were calling for Max Hall's head, and a few still are!).

I admit that after the OU game I thought "this will be our year," but I'll also admit I entered the season expecting 10-2 and hoping for 11-1; I just didn't expect BYU to beat OU, FSU, TCU and Utah. So I've just had to remind myself that we're right where I expected us to be. Losing to Utah would be a huge disappointment, but I don't see it happening yet.

Over the last few weeks, Bronco has made repeated references to the "ignorance" of fans, to their unreal expectations, to their undeserved criticism...even going so far as pointing out that the team enjoys the away games because they can get away from the critical fans. HOW SAD IS THAT?!?

I suppose I'd think that it's maybe a "new generation" thing expecting immediate gratification, but from the comments of many of you at games, it doesn't seem to be coming from the studentbody alone.

I also think Bronco would benefit himself and the team by treading lightly when criticizing fans. I personally haven't heard or read him use the word "ignorant" when describing fans, and if he did it wouldn't bother me since I'm a blue-goggled homer and I've been a fan a long time and will be so long after the current coaches and players are gone. But, there are a lot of not-so-stalwart fans out there that still love the school and the team....and although they may be critical (and ignorant) I believe they are valuable to the team. The quickest way to alienate them is to call them ignorant or say the team likes away games where they can't show up.



Again, I can't say that I've heard Bronco being critical of the fans or liking away games, But, I do recall him recently saying how much he loved the large fan base that travels with the team since he views them as faithful die-hards. Maybe in that context he also was implying that the wishy-washy fans were left behind and that's a good thing.

I don't think Bronco said fans were ignorant or that he prefers to play on the road either. And if he did say something that sounds like that, I don't think he believes that. It is inconsistent with everything else I've heard him say.



Problem is that many people don't listen to Bronco's comments in context. They listen to sound bites played on the radio or quoted by detractors and then interpreted by morons like Gordon Monson and his fellow BYU haters at 1280. But anyone who believes any of that garbage is true hasn't paid very much attention to Bronco and what he has said over the past 4-5 years, in my opinion.

cachevalleycougar wrote:

Cougy_Monster wrote:

It does seem that there are a lot of people that can't get over themelves and their expectations this year. CougarBlue is full of them. I don't know if it's just the general expectations coming into this season with a senior QB and proven TE/RB, or if a lot of it happened after the OU win, but either way too many people have been too harsh on the coaching staff and specific players - most of it unwarranted and baseless (to think that a month ago people were calling for Max Hall's head, and a few still are!).

I admit that after the OU game I thought "this will be our year," but I'll also admit I entered the season expecting 10-2 and hoping for 11-1; I just didn't expect BYU to beat OU, FSU, TCU and Utah. So I've just had to remind myself that we're right where I expected us to be. Losing to Utah would be a huge disappointment, but I don't see it happening yet.

Over the last few weeks, Bronco has made repeated references to the "ignorance" of fans, to their unreal expectations, to their undeserved criticism...even going so far as pointing out that the team enjoys the away games because they can get away from the critical fans. HOW SAD IS THAT?!?

I suppose I'd think that it's maybe a "new generation" thing expecting immediate gratification, but from the comments of many of you at games, it doesn't seem to be coming from the studentbody alone.

Liking one thing does not mean you dislike the other thing. Liking road games is not mutually exclusive with liking home games. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. Just because Bronco points out some of the advantages that come with playing on the road (and the particular advantages that were realized that week) does not mean he hates the fans and would rather not play in his own stadium. This is exactly what I am talking about when I referred to talking his statements and twisting them to mean something he doesn't actually mean or believe.





I also think Bronco would benefit himself and the team by treading lightly when criticizing fans. I personally haven't heard or read him use the word "ignorant" when describing fans, and if he did it wouldn't bother me since I'm a blue-goggled homer and I've been a fan a long time and will be so long after the current coaches and players are gone. But, there are a lot of not-so-stalwart fans out there that still love the school and the team....and although they may be critical (and ignorant) I believe they are valuable to the team. The quickest way to alienate them is to call them ignorant or say the team likes away games where they can't show up.



Again, I can't say that I've heard Bronco being critical of the fans or liking away games, But, I do recall him recently saying how much he loved the large fan base that travels with the team since he views them as faithful die-hards. Maybe in that context he also was implying that the wishy-washy fans were left behind and that's a good thing.

I don't think Bronco said fans were ignorant or that he prefers to play on the road either. And if he did say something that sounds like that, I don't think he believes that. It is inconsistent with everything else I've heard him say.



Problem is that many people don't listen to Bronco's comments in context. They listen to sound bites played on the radio or quoted by detractors and then interpreted by morons like Gordon Monson and his fellow BYU haters at 1280. But anyone who believes any of that garbage is true hasn't paid very much attention to Bronco and what he has said over the past 4-5 years, in my opinion.

I think you guys are the ones who need to pay closer attention to what Bronco is actually saying. Straight from his weekly news conference after the Wyoming game: "Bronco said his teams "like" going on the road, saying camaraderie has been a factor in giving his team an "increased focus" away from home, adding that road trips provide "a nice break from campus life." He says road games also give his team a break from the "local perspective" on how the team might be doing. "

cachevalleycougar wrote:
I think you guys are the ones who need to pay closer attention to what Bronco is actually saying. Straight from his weekly news conference after the Wyoming game: "Bronco said his teams "like" going on the road, saying camaraderie has been a factor in giving his team an "increased focus" away from home, adding that road trips provide "a nice break from campus life." He says road games also give his team a break from the "local perspective" on how the team might be doing. "

cougsnspurs4life wrote:
Hey sorry, been working crazy long hours...



We have better talent at CB than we have had the last 3 years, but they aren't great... or they aren't used correctly... however you look at it, opposing QBs look like Heisman candidates every game they play against us (unless you are from Laramie.) And much credit to the defense for the WY game, even though it was Wyoming, they still looked imposing. So to answer your question, I am torn... It's the players or coaching, or both... Our running D looks ok, but our passing D is horrible at best... I think it is coaching, with a teeny bit of blame to the players. They are improving every game though, and I respect that.

Schmoe wrote:
Keep in mind that these are the genius fans that boo when Bronco doesn't go for it on 4th and 1 from our own 38. I'll keep saying this: anyone who boos a team who has been ranked for three years straight and gives supreme effort like our cougs deserves to have their @$$ kicked.

Mithrandir wrote:
Oh, our special teams are "special"... as in wears a helmet and rides the short bus "special".

Schmoe wrote:
Wait, nobody booed during the Crowton years? Man, there's a lot of nobodies out there!

Lawboy wrote:
Here is the thing. Fans come to games now and the place sells out. Some fans even boo. That means that they care. If some players hate it now, remind them what it was like with Crowton, where people stopped coming and no one booed because expectations got so low. People got so flabbergasted that they stopped coming and became complacent and indifferent. Given the alternative, I will take an engaged and passionate fan base that might be unreasonable at times to an indifferent no-show fan base. Expectations cut both ways, but it is better to have them.

snoscythe wrote:
The Las Vegas Review-Journal is reporting Anae as a potential candidate for the now vacant Rebels job. Anae coached for a couple of years in the 90's.

Mars wrote:

The Las Vegas Review-Journal is reporting Anae as a potential candidate for the now vacant Rebels job. Anae coached for a couple of years in the 90's.

For UNLV?